MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

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soulstylee said:
Will the EMS allow for the user to bump up the rev limiter for more extreme applications? How long after the tuning is complete are the units going to be available for sale? Will the inital NA system be upgradable for future FI applications? Is there an extra charge for that? Thanks

Geoff
The rev limiter can be increased or decreased thru the AEM. You have a choice of cutting fuel, ignition or both at predetermined points in the system.

We have been swamped with work and not enough hours in a day lately. We were to have dyno'd last week and It didnt work out that way. Hopefully in the beginning of this week we will find the time to wrap this up. Right after dyno results we will offer a group buy because of the nature of the unit. It takes one and half - two weeks to build the units. So we will do an advanced sale to get prepared for the orders. Dont get me wrong there is already orders for the first batch of units to be sent out once we are done. Some here wanted to be the first with the units on their vehicles. Others are actually tests subjects.

EVERY unit is completely upgradable at any time AND FOR ANY CAR. Software is free all the time. It doesnt matter if I or Andy have to completely rescale the program for you. We will send it to you via email or disc in the mail. ONLY if there is a hardware issue will we charge our customers. Meaning if the harness supplied to you needs to be upgraded or a boost solenoid needs to be incorporated etc. After everything is up and runing for a while (after the summer time) we are setting up a tech forum on my website to discuss options, updates, diagnostics ETC. This will help build a community of various groups that have the units and can share information amoung each other.

Also what I mean by any car is the fact that with a harness and software upgrade it can be used on almost any vehicle on the market today. We have a unit that can be configured for everyone. That way your investment stays an investment rather than a one time deal.
If I havent answered everything for you please feel free to ask again.
 
Perfworks, if I understand this right, the min. price on this unit is $1700 if you make WB manditory.
 
perfworks said:
ONLY if there is a hardware issue will we charge our customers. Meaning if the harness supplied to you needs to be upgraded or a boost solenoid needs to be incorporated etc.
Could a NA tuned unit include a FI harness for those of us who will go down that route shortly? Will you be offering tuning at your shops? Or will that not be neccessary? Thanks

Geoff
 
soulstylee said:
Could a NA tuned unit include a FI harness for those of us who will go down that route shortly? Will you be offering tuning at your shops? Or will that not be neccessary? Thanks

Geoff
Yes for the most part the harnesess will be the same on the Protege for FI and NA. The units will come pretuned BUT the enduser will have the ability to come to Wagner Motorsports for Dyno time. If the unit is not optimal upon delivery, then tuning sessions on the dyno will be free of charge.
 
Do you have those pics, perf?

And get the darn car on the dyno please? And pics of that too...

I want to see this beastly Protege putting down numbers!
 
StuttersC said:
Do you have those pics, perf?

And get the darn car on the dyno please? And pics of that too...

I want to see this beastly Protege putting down numbers!
DITTO! (burnout)
 
perfworks said:
Yes for the most part the harnesess will be the same on the Protege for FI and NA. The units will come pretuned BUT the enduser will have the ability to come to Wagner Motorsports for Dyno time. If the unit is not optimal upon delivery, then tuning sessions on the dyno will be free of charge.
Very cool. I can't wait to see some dyno results either, although I absolutley need the EMS.
 
ViksMSP said:
It should be $1700 for the group buy and it will be 2100 for regular non-member price.
wow...that reallly alot of mopney..for that price I better put out some SERIOUS power and have a very very well running car....hopefully these things can perform well enough for the price
 
KzA said:
wow...that reallly alot of mopney..for that price I better put out some SERIOUS power and have a very very well running car....hopefully these things can perform well enough for the price
just the fact that it will make it alot safer is well worth your money. Blowing your engine and replacing it will cost you more than that. dont just think of the performance aspect of it ... although that alone will be worth it
 
Metal MP5 said:
just the fact that it will make it alot safer is well worth your money. Blowing your engine and replacing it will cost you more than that. dont just think of the performance aspect of it ... although that alone will be worth it
I agree!
 
EMS's aren't about adding power. It's not a bolt-on like a turbo or headers. It's about releasing untapped potential power. It enables you to tune your engine to take better advantage of the potential power that your other mods have that the stock ecu can not or will not adjust properly for. You stock ecu is program for a stock engine and doesn't know how to properly compensate for headers or turbo's or nitrous or a multitude of other possible modifications. Shoot it's not even really tuned properly for a stock engine because they tune it to run safely for a variety of gasoline types from crappy 87octane to the better quality 93 octanes, also from gasoline with impurities or water or even gasohol. Our engines run rich. Atleast that's the way I've had EMS's explained to me.

KzA said:
wow...that reallly alot of mopney..for that price I better put out some SERIOUS power and have a very very well running car....hopefully these things can perform well enough for the price
 
I know all this, but you boys have to understand where I am coming from...I currently have a turbo and have an EMS, so for me, the only thing that this EMS can do for ME is to give me more control over the motor than my current management hence giving me more power..I already have the safety..sorry for any confusion.
 
perfworks said:
NOW let me touch on a part of your comment about the AEM. We are thinking about and most likely deciding that the WB is NOT going to be an OPTION.
It will be MANDITORY to have with the unit. There are many reasons for this and I will go into it on another reply. Basically we will have the unit built into the AEM. All that needs to be done is to run the connector from the sensor itself thru the firewall and plug it in to the back of the AEM. Like I said I will go over alot of changes and updates in another reply this afternoon.
Any news on the wideband? For instance, can we request the new 2-1/16" gauge? Will the system include the o2 sensor? What other changes have taken place? Much appreciated

Geoff
 
soulstylee said:
Any news on the wideband? For instance, can we request the new 2-1/16" gauge? Will the system include the o2 sensor? What other changes have taken place? Much appreciated

Geoff

All right let me get some updates out here. I'll start with your post.
Yes you can have the option to get the new AEM Uego setup with display. I can go over this individually when ordered

We have decided NOT to make it mandatory. I think we have made it quite clear on this forum how important it is to run the right A/F tool along with your high performance setup. We will leave this decision up to the customer.
The Parallel AEM unit will be made in two versions. One with the built in Uego contoller (actually IN the ECU) where you just plug the O2 connector into the back of the box. The second version will be the EMS that can accept ANY WB from any manufacturer. We have been able to get offsets and calibrations for many of the popular WB's out so that we can configure the box at any time.

Secondly, we feel comfortable in our tuning procedure. We will provide very comprehensive base mapping that will be adaptable to many vehicles and modifications. Even with the stock O2's we will be able to run closed loop efficiently and accurately. Open loop operation will be conservative and allow safety thru our Knock feedback system that is fully active thruout the throttle, rpm and boost range.

Now when I say base mapping I mean that it is not a base for the generic vehicle. It will tuned to the application. It will not be 100% perfect we know this. But it will be as optimal as can be when it leaves our facility for the individual. We have to leave room for error when the stock O2's are being incorporated. For those who choose to go with the WB option, then obviously they will have an easier time with adaptation for other mods, such as boost increase, cam upgrades, exhaust upgrade etc etc.

As you all know we are working on making sure the Protege units are ODBII specific. Meaning we want the system to continue to monitor and report the OBD's as intended. This requires further tuning and specific code to be written into the software. So as the R&D continues thru the summer and into the fall we will have all of the EECV specific code written for the proteges and all the ford vehicles.
That means there will be software upgrades available for everyone and we will take the responsability to get that information out to the enduser immediately.

The hardware will already will be upgraded for everyone who orders. So with a simple email they will be able to take advantage of many new features we are working on.
We talked about traction control, progressive nitrous control, boost control, variable valve timing, etc etc. There will be no extra charge to anyone when we address these options. We will send you all the software you will need to get it rolling.
One of the most exciting features we are incorporating right now is a mode that will aid in efficiency and fuel economy. Along with those advatages, it also will aid in emmisions testing. The vehicle will be able to run off many base and correction maps. Most importantly the Protege can benefit from complete boost compensation mapping. This will fuel the engine based on specific ENGINE load only. Those who are familiar with the new emmision tail pipe testing will understand that the rollers only load the engine slightly. Therefore this mapping will help in providing stoich A/F ratios when under light load and partial throttle for this testing. Along with optimal ignition timing the vehicle will still be able to pass ULEV standards.

Every time we finish a feature we will automatically upgrade the customers software.

Lastly in my next post I will post EVERY possible option this unit can handle. NOT what it can do at different times with different wiring setups...
Meaning that when we say we can do boost control, nitrous control, 10 high impedance injectors, 16 0-5 volt input and output modifications traction control, gear selectable boost and rev limiters.... we mean it can do it ALL AT ONCE. Not pick one or two and thats it. We have enough drivers to run almost anything we like.

Anyway there is alot more I want to add but I will wait till we post some results.
I apoligize for taking so long with the R&D for this particular vehicle, but we need to make sure it is correct the first time. This unit will set a standard for others to follow and we want it to be perfect. We are almost done and we will post everything we find whether good or bad. Fortunately we are SO busy with many projects that UNfortunately we cant finish up with this as we expected two weeks ago. But we are trying.
Sometimes you have to give yourself more time to complete a project, because many people know that when you try to meet a preproposed deadline you may have some simple mistakes that were overlooked. Anyone who has been to the shop recently in York can testify that we are a little overwhelmed with work and are trying to take car of everyone.
We are on schedule though to dyno tune and post results.

Thank you all for your patience and we will have results soon. Tommorow when I am at the shop we will post some pics of the unit, our harness and how we structure the units to fit in your your passenger floorboard
If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me or Andy or just post it here.
 
This product is amazing. Perf is right when he says that it can control basically everything one could imagine and more. the wideband is also highly recommended since u can then tune very very specifically. All i can say is that u got to see it to truely grasp the ease of use, accessibility, front end, and support. Also its from AEM ... a very reputable producer. It is definately worth being patient for... if i had the money i would already have placed an order. Perf. has spent alot of time perfecting this ... unlike some other units... so that it works flawlessly and yet comprehensively. And honestly... although they will tune it and update your software as necessary... it really isnt that difficult to use and tune... at least the primary functions.... the others would require more advanced knowledge imo... but thats cause i wouldnt trust myself. Nick and wagner are working hard to make something great for the protege...
and i think they have succeeded way beyond theirs and anyone's expectations.
and gain wise.... i dont think anyone would be disappointed no matter what their setup is. :D
 
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