Johnnyracecar.com FMIC?

JDM Sam said:
Tube and fin are prone to boost leak more than bar and plate. They are also weaker structurally so if you hit a few rocks it could puncture the I/C. Also the fins can expand and you get more pressure drop. For a FMIC a bar and plate core is a better choice for reliability and durability.
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Sam, come on I seen to many documents and data to counter that statement about prone to leaks... Extruded fin & tube is very strong and known not to leak and also known for not having hot spots like Bar & plate has been shown to do even Garrett cores. with that said, the rules on this thread was to back your statements up with data, which you haven't as of yet!!!

post your data
 
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interesting. lets see real data and not posts from what someone else said. forums aren't typically a reliable source of information.
 
TXMazdaSpeeder said:
Beau,

I think im just going to have to shoot you a PM or email and discuss this with you, I would love nothing mroe than the MAM fmic kit but im just really not sure about dropping al lthat money right now however the stock I/C and piping is kicking my ass with the oklahoma heat and humidity and such.
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in the end, I think you can't go wrong with any of the choices our vendors have to sell.... go with your gut feeling after you do research and buy the one that will fit yours needs the best for the amount of money you wish to spend...
 
Minus said:
I think he said hes going to send him a pm.. (thought)

lol just messing with you
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Why I otta...

:)

apocman said:
in the end, I think you can't go wrong with any of the choices our vendors have to sell.... go with your gut feeling after you do research and buy the one that will fit yours needs the best for the amount of money you wish to spend...
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(mswerd) Good call there.(thumb)
 
MP3skaterNC said:
just say no to cheap tube and fin intercoolers.
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Thank you for providing such good data to prove your point. (321fu)

I bet if your buddy told you sniffing his ass would give you horse power, you would jump right on it!!! (enguard)
 
ya so I guess I should have said no to my "cheap" BEGI FMIC that outperforms the other fmics in our market.
 
apocman said:
Thank you for providing such good data to prove your point. (321fu)

I bet if your buddy told you sniffing his ass would give you horse power, you would jump right on it!!! (enguard)
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lets see, ive had 2 turbo setups on my car both running spearco bar and plate intercoolers, never had an issue with either intercooler.

friend had one of these awesomely priced jonnyracercore intercoolers on his eclipse and had the endtank crack on him in a month.

whats that old saying, you get what you pay for.

so stfu.
 
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MP3skaterNC said:
lets see, ive had 2 turbo setups on my car both running spearco bar and plate intercoolers, never had an issue with either intercooler.

friend had one of these awesomely priced jonnyracercore intercoolers on his eclipse and had the endtank crack on him in a month.

whats that old saying, you get what you pay for.

so stfu.
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Dear Dickhead, please post replies with data backed responses...

Thanks,

ApocMan

P.S. we don't ******* care about your experience, we wern't there and don't give a s***... your experience is not backed data responses... (usa) (fight) (friday)
 
The core in my FMIC custom kit was a 18x6x2.5 Yonaka Motorsports core (check it out). Not necessarily a Spearco core, but their products have been featured on vehicles in magazines. In addition, they are the current sponsor for the Panasonic show vehicle so I could do worse I guess.

As for the paint on my FMIC, it is only a single coat of flat black to better camoflauge the FMIC behind the grill. It may hurt the cooling ability of the FMIC, but I imagine that the loss would be marginal and still allow better cooling than the stock SMIC.

R
 
Come on guys, take it easy... it's hard to have a good thread with lots of good data when people are at eachothers throats. People have opinions, and a lot of times those opinions are correct even when the person can't present the data to back up their claims.

Apocman- This message board isn't the absolute BEST place for technical data... it's been proven time and time again. I suggest looking elsewhere if you really want charts, numbers, diagrams, etc/whatever... not flaming at all, but there is a lot more info to be had just by taking some physics classes to get a grasp on the basic fundamentals of heat exchange, and then learning the differences in construction between bar/plate cores and tube/fin cores. After you know the differences, you can use your own judgement to decide which one is better. I bet 10:1 that if you actually did that, it would be more than clear to you why bar/plate is the better choice for most turbo applications.

Sorry for not providing any charts and whatnot, but I don't have a source that just outright tells you all of the stuff that is in play here. After 4 years of advanced physics and working/studying at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is pretty obvious to me that bar/plate is the overall best method of cooling air that is coming from a turbocharger.

Any flames from anyone can be directed to my PM box, let's let the people who actually HAVE the charts and info post it up for Apocman to see... no need to turn this into a pissing contest.
 
505zoom said:
Come on guys, take it easy... it's hard to have a good thread with lots of good data when people are at eachothers throats. People have opinions, and a lot of times those opinions are correct even when the person can't present the data to back up their claims.

Apocman- This message board isn't the absolute BEST place for technical data... it's been proven time and time again. I suggest looking elsewhere if you really want charts, numbers, diagrams, etc/whatever... not flaming at all, but there is a lot more info to be had just by taking some physics classes to get a grasp on the basic fundamentals of heat exchange, and then learning the differences in construction between bar/plate cores and tube/fin cores. After you know the differences, you can use your own judgement to decide which one is better. I bet 10:1 that if you actually did that, it would be more than clear to you why bar/plate is the better choice for most turbo applications.

Sorry for not providing any charts and whatnot, but I don't have a source that just outright tells you all of the stuff that is in play here. After 4 years of advanced physics and working/studying at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is pretty obvious to me that bar/plate is the overall best method of cooling air that is coming from a turbocharger.

Any flames from anyone can be directed to my PM box, let's let the people who actually HAVE the charts and info post it up for Apocman to see... no need to turn this into a pissing contest.
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true!!! I have been an ass-clown and I apologize!!! (chair) (chair) bad Apoc!!! (chair) (chair) bad!!! (Apoc takes his Adderall and calms down)

Now, I will be sending you PM's to pick your brain now that i know your background!!!!! (thought)

I understand that Bar & Plate is the best for cooling, but not to sound like an ass clown that is not the only thing you are to look for while building or deciding on intercoolers. there are quite a few things to take into consideration besides just the fact that one design cools the air better. Also keep in mind that Bar & plate from what I have seen and read has it's issues as well which can reduce it's overall effectiveness...
 
well, if one of their intercoolers cracked at a weld for my friend, and they have numerous bad reviews on honda-tech, they have to be great right?

but we want concusive data about how tube and fin is not only better for your wallet, but also better for performance.

buy one of their intercoolers, save a ton, then when it cracks in a few months do it right and buy something thats alittle higher quality.
 
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pshhh. **** a bunch of intercoolers. you don't need no damn intercooler. just pack ice around the turbo at every chance you get. stick a few cubes of ice down into the turbine while your at it. MAXIMUM COOLING!@#%!#
 
hahahah, yea my humor is a little rough!!! people dont know how to take me sometimes, but i have to admit skater held his own which was fun, but I don't want be to much of an ass-clown!!!
 
They are engineers and don't post their R&D for people to steal...you're gonna have to go into mechanical engineering if you want scientific evidence to prove why bar and plate is better. You'll notice all the quality FMICS are using bar and plate.

Read this, you damn skeptic geekazoid.
http://www.dvdtfab.com/intercoolertestlab.pdf
 
Bar and plate>tube and fin...mmmkay...pay up to play!
I'll scan that article once I get my updated software.
(chair)
 
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even if you aren't buying a intercooler to laydown a bunch of power,you should still buy bar and plate for the reliability,and the fact that it resists damage and leaks better
 
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