Japs... wtf are they smoking.
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Thats a beautiful dog! My girlf-friend's sister's boyfriend had one and was a pure bred from Germany. This thing was only 3yrs old.. and it was a ******* MONSTER. It would stand on its hindlegs and be about my height (5'11"). Anyhow, they had to put him away because he was too aggressive... he bit my gf's sister and his own master both in the neck.
Thats a beautiful dog! My girlf-friend's sister's boyfriend had one and was a pure bred from Germany. This thing was only 3yrs old.. and it was a ******* MONSTER. It would stand on its hindlegs and be about my height (5'11"). Anyhow, they had to put him away because he was too aggressive... he bit my gf's sister and his own master both in the neck.
Jesus Christ.
If there is one things the Japanese did as a culture in creating something amazing, it was the Akita.
Japanese Akita are actualy gentle and intelligent plus have almost NO standard medical problems. Built like tanks.. Cute as hell to. Japanese akitas tend to be smaller 70-100 Ibs
From my expierence and my readings. The problem is the westernized or American Akitas. They are bread for size and throw away alot of the breeding standards that exist in Japan. These dogs tend to be very aggressive, totaly unloyal and evenstupid. They can also weight over 150Ibs. An american will rip a pitbulls headoff within 3 seconds. Some are simply vicious and the thick coat isn't easily ripped.
Tundra, my akita is full Japanese in breeding and is amazingly gentle, by far the most gentle dog ever. He will almost never fight another dog and has NEVER bit anyone. The only time he ever put the smack down was when a German shepard lunged at my father. That was one F-D up german shepard when Mr. Tuns got threw with him.
If there is one things the Japanese did as a culture in creating something amazing, it was the Akita.
Japanese Akita are actualy gentle and intelligent plus have almost NO standard medical problems. Built like tanks.. Cute as hell to. Japanese akitas tend to be smaller 70-100 Ibs
From my expierence and my readings. The problem is the westernized or American Akitas. They are bread for size and throw away alot of the breeding standards that exist in Japan. These dogs tend to be very aggressive, totaly unloyal and evenstupid. They can also weight over 150Ibs. An american will rip a pitbulls headoff within 3 seconds. Some are simply vicious and the thick coat isn't easily ripped.
Tundra, my akita is full Japanese in breeding and is amazingly gentle, by far the most gentle dog ever. He will almost never fight another dog and has NEVER bit anyone. The only time he ever put the smack down was when a German shepard lunged at my father. That was one F-D up german shepard when Mr. Tuns got threw with him.
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Although some people view 'Occidental' as the opposite of 'Oriental,' meaning the white Europeans, (the term originally meant the eastern European or western Asia)... What was left of the Roman empire was split into two, the Occidental Empire and the Oriental Empire. 'Orient' is a Latin term for 'east' and 'occident' is a term for 'west.'"
The accepted rule is that "Oriental" is a word for inanimate objects from Asia, but not for people. If you're describing people from Asia, use the word "Asian" -- or better yet, take the time to discern beyond the racial distinctions and find out what country or heritage people are from. Asia is an awful big place, and there are many discrete cultures and traditions from Chinese and Japanese to Korean, East Indian, Tibetan, Vietnamese, Thai.... and within each country, different cultures thrive in different regions. There's a natural inclination to simplify the world and file people under broad categories. But few people would without a thought lump Italians and Swedes or French and English together culturally and ethnically, just because they all happen to be Europeans. For some reason, it seems easier to assume that all Asians think alike and act alike just because they look alike (of course, we don't all look alike either, but that's another column).
No one calls Eastern Europeans "Occidentals," and "Oriental" today is considered by Asians to be a derogatory term because it reflects centuries of a western-centric view of the world, which assumed that civilization and knowledge flowed from Europe to the rest of the world. The cultures of Asia, of course, in particular China, are much older and was refined long before Europeans wandered to other continents.
In addition, the word "Oriental" is confusing because the word is used to describe the "Middle East" as well as the "Far East" (two more words used to indicate geographic locale relative to Europe). Hence, rugs from Persian are today still called "Oriental rugs." At the same time, a Vietnamese shop owner might put a sign reading "Oriental groceries" above his door. That bring me to another point -- that these evolving terms for ethnic groups in the North America sometimes are evolving even within the ethnic groups themselves, not just with Americans at large. Many Asians, especially older Asians, still use "Oriental" to describe themselves. Partly, that's because for years that's what they were called by society at large, and on legal and official forms. I heard the term "Oriental" when I was a kid, but it is not as prevelant now. When somebody does call me that, I try to gently correct them.
ok... is this debate over yet? everybody
The accepted rule is that "Oriental" is a word for inanimate objects from Asia, but not for people. If you're describing people from Asia, use the word "Asian" -- or better yet, take the time to discern beyond the racial distinctions and find out what country or heritage people are from. Asia is an awful big place, and there are many discrete cultures and traditions from Chinese and Japanese to Korean, East Indian, Tibetan, Vietnamese, Thai.... and within each country, different cultures thrive in different regions. There's a natural inclination to simplify the world and file people under broad categories. But few people would without a thought lump Italians and Swedes or French and English together culturally and ethnically, just because they all happen to be Europeans. For some reason, it seems easier to assume that all Asians think alike and act alike just because they look alike (of course, we don't all look alike either, but that's another column).
No one calls Eastern Europeans "Occidentals," and "Oriental" today is considered by Asians to be a derogatory term because it reflects centuries of a western-centric view of the world, which assumed that civilization and knowledge flowed from Europe to the rest of the world. The cultures of Asia, of course, in particular China, are much older and was refined long before Europeans wandered to other continents.
In addition, the word "Oriental" is confusing because the word is used to describe the "Middle East" as well as the "Far East" (two more words used to indicate geographic locale relative to Europe). Hence, rugs from Persian are today still called "Oriental rugs." At the same time, a Vietnamese shop owner might put a sign reading "Oriental groceries" above his door. That bring me to another point -- that these evolving terms for ethnic groups in the North America sometimes are evolving even within the ethnic groups themselves, not just with Americans at large. Many Asians, especially older Asians, still use "Oriental" to describe themselves. Partly, that's because for years that's what they were called by society at large, and on legal and official forms. I heard the term "Oriental" when I was a kid, but it is not as prevelant now. When somebody does call me that, I try to gently correct them.
ok... is this debate over yet? everybody
ChopstickHero said:
Ah history, nice stuff, call me Occidental all you like sound cool to me.
ChopstickHero said:
I don't know a single person that accepted that at all.
Regardless of everything else it is a geographica term not a term defined to describe only certain nouns like a rug and not someone.
ChopstickHero said:
On a one on one basis talking to someone, The word asian or oriental is uneeded. If the conversation came to race you can bet actual country of origan would be more apt to be discussed.
ChopstickHero said:
Sure as s*** do. Hell we do it ourselves, ever here the term European? I am sure you have. I also know you have used it on occasion. No one uses oriental to lump people in any other way then geographicly. The idea that oriental cares a religious or culture tone is paranoya at best.
ChopstickHero said:
Yep sure is espcialy since your from the same area of the word and we are discussing a geographical term. It in no way implies actual race, religion or history, just location. Anyone that think it means more is either too damn sensitive and simply wrong or a racist themselves and being lumped into a group offends them becuase they in a way hate or detest another part of that group.
ChopstickHero said:
No one cares two damns enough to emply half the BS you think they do especialy with more directly understood slurs in the language. If someone in any way intends to insult you, you will clearly know it. I don't know a single person that thinks all relevant creations or advancements came from europe.
Sounds like you are using Eastern-centric views to me chief. (thumb)
REFINED, CHINA, ARE YOU NUTZ!(wow)
It wan't even established as a set Governement or culture. China has gone through as many political, religious, and cultural changes as anywhere else if not more.
ChopstickHero said:
OK so via this it is my resposibility to fallow the evolving "view" of ALL terms by any group of people however large or small? :wtf:
:bs: I don't have the time or give a crap what regional term pisses someone off becuase they are racist themselves. Pride my ass! Being offended by being catagorized with another group means you are racist against that group if a simple description can offend you as it "may" also include or imply them aswell.
No one half rational and with anyone Occidental.
Call me white.
Call me Cuacasian.
Call me European.
Call me scandinavian.
Call me Honkey.
Hell call me cracka!
Its all good!
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1st MP3 in NH said:
Ah history, nice stuff, call me Occidental all you like sound cool to me.
I don't know a single person that accepted that at all.
Regardless of everything else it is a geographica term not a term defined to describe only certain nouns like a rug and not someone.
On a one on one basis talking to someone, The word asian or oriental is uneeded. If the conversation came to race you can bet actual country of origan would be more apt to be discussed.
Sure as s*** do. Hell we do it ourselves, ever here the term European? I am sure you have. I also know you have used it on occasion. No one uses oriental to lump people in any other way then geographicly. The idea that oriental cares a religious or culture tone is paranoya at best.
Yep sure is espcialy since your from the same area of the word and we are discussing a geographical term. It in no way implies actual race, religion or history, just location. Anyone that think it means more is either too damn sensitive and simply wrong or a racist themselves and being lumped into a group offends them becuase they in a way hate or detest another part of that group.
No one cares two damns enough to emply half the BS you think they do especialy with more directly understood slurs in the language. If someone in any way intends to insult you, you will clearly know it. I don't know a single person that thinks all relevant creations or advancements came from europe.
Sounds like you are using Eastern-centric views to me chief. (thumb)
REFINED, CHINA, ARE YOU NUTZ!(wow)
It wan't even established as a set Governement or culture. China has gone through as many political, religious, and cultural changes as anywhere else if not more.
OK so via this it is my resposibility to fallow the evolving "view" of ALL terms by any group of people however large or small? :wtf:
:bs: I don't have the time or give a crap what regional term pisses someone off becuase they are racist themselves. Pride my ass! Being offended by being catagorized with another group means you are racist against that group if a simple description can offend you as it "may" also include or imply them aswell.
No one half rational and with anyone Occidental.
Call me white.
Call me Cuacasian.
Call me European.
Call me scandinavian.
Call me Honkey.
Hell call me cracka!
Its all good!
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eggynatey said:Sorry this is off topic, but I just wanted to say thanks for the laugh. Those trucks are unbelievable! Can you imagine driving one of those things in America?
I can't imagine driving next to one in bright sunlight. It would blind the hell out of you !
The other thing I can't imagine is people arguing over names created by some geographical/legislative body. You can argue what name people fall under down to the house they live in, but hopefully in the end we are all individuals, not a creation of our forefathers (mothers). We should strive for more.
Either a person is using a derogatory name through ignorance, in which case it is our job to teach them, or they use it to belittle, in which case we should ignore it. We give too much of ourselves by getting mad at it, and they dont deserve that.
But thats just my 17 cents.
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TheMAN said:
Hey, who is that ?
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man this thread got hijacked! anyways the guys that own those trucks are old bozozoku (japanese gangsters that like to fix up cars&motorcycles). i wanna get a truck and do that too
TheMAN said:
THE SINGLE GREATEST PICTURE IN INTERNET HISTORY.
Why, you ask?
Becuase everyone can think its funny. No one gets all offended by it and starts cring rasicm. Its a joke simply and everyone needs to lighten the hell up on this earth. If you want to be offended you will be and very easily.
ChopstickHero said:
Ok, so the origins of the word "Oriental" means "eastern". got it. Nothing insulting there...
I understand that, but I just don't understand why that is.
Uhh, people do it consantly...by calling us "white" or "caucasian". Your point is not to lump all Asians together as one big group, but that's exactly what you're doing by calling them "Asian". And calling people "Oriental" would be a narrower range, ie, a smaller clump. Again, I don't call people Oriental because they get insulted, but these are one of the things I don't understand. Lumping Chinese with Taiwanese fits a lot better than lumping Chinese with Iranian or Russian.
True, I see the differences between "the people of east Asia" (being PC here, lol), but you have to admit, there is FAR less varience between them then say...white people. Almost all east Asians have (or had at one time) black hair, dark eyes, and a somewhat narrow array of facial features and skin tone when compared to Europeans...which can have 100 different hair colors, eye colors, skin tones, and a much larger array of facial features. My point is that while some people think "All Asians look the same" (which i feel is false), they are basing it on the fact that there is less physical variety among those people.
See, that's my point. Like you said, older Asians do not mind being referred to as "Oriental". So when did it become insulting and why? Seems like kind of an "overnight" thing to me.
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Re: Re: Back to "Asian" vs "Oriental"
Thanks 1st, I couldn't have asked for a higher compliment! Work it Michael, eeee heee!
1st MP3 in NH said:
Thanks 1st, I couldn't have asked for a higher compliment! Work it Michael, eeee heee!
Well, I think that it's better to be called "oriental" than "asian" because then you include Tibet, Mongolia, Russia, and other countries that are more ethnicly diverse. "Oriental" to me means someone who is descended from the area formerly known as the "Orient". This is a narrower term than "Asian" because at least I know they are from South East Asia. There we go, now we'll call them South East Asianers. Marco Polo didn't say he was going to trade spices and gun powder with the Asians. No one would have known where the hell he was going. "Asia" covers half the world. The South West Asian Liberation Medal is for the liberation of Kuwait, not Thailand which is in the South West area of the Orient. It is geograpically helpful to use the term Oriental.
I lived in Korea, Japan, and spent time in the Phillipines, Thailand and Vietnam when I was in the military and there are obvious differences in people from different ethnic backgrounds. The generalization that all whites/americans(a generalization that I sould take offense to, since I am not from Canada or Equador) cannot tell the difference is stupid. Can the *insert whatever pc term* tell where I am from? There is more ethnic diversity here than in all of SE Asia. You should not be able to use the term "American" because that too includes many different ethnic and cultural people with borders and countries. I want to be called a "United States of Americaner". I get tired of being put into the same group as the Canadians, can't anyone else tell the difference?
Wouldn't it just be more polite to ask "Hey, where are you from?"
When I met the brother of a girl I was dating, I asked from what parn of Iran he was from. He replied, "I am PERSIAN, not Iranian." She said that in fact they were all born in Tehran, and that Persia ceased to exist a thousand years ago or so. And that her brother was an ass.
Well, now we cant use "Brits" either.
Flame away,
Brit (wait, can I keep my name, it might offend someone?)
I lived in Korea, Japan, and spent time in the Phillipines, Thailand and Vietnam when I was in the military and there are obvious differences in people from different ethnic backgrounds. The generalization that all whites/americans(a generalization that I sould take offense to, since I am not from Canada or Equador) cannot tell the difference is stupid. Can the *insert whatever pc term* tell where I am from? There is more ethnic diversity here than in all of SE Asia. You should not be able to use the term "American" because that too includes many different ethnic and cultural people with borders and countries. I want to be called a "United States of Americaner". I get tired of being put into the same group as the Canadians, can't anyone else tell the difference?
Wouldn't it just be more polite to ask "Hey, where are you from?"
When I met the brother of a girl I was dating, I asked from what parn of Iran he was from. He replied, "I am PERSIAN, not Iranian." She said that in fact they were all born in Tehran, and that Persia ceased to exist a thousand years ago or so. And that her brother was an ass.
Well, now we cant use "Brits" either.
Flame away,
Brit (wait, can I keep my name, it might offend someone?)
wtf?
Now when is a slur not a slur?
Please this is like being intolerant of intolerance, which is of course INTOLERANT!
It's called free speech! Now not everyone agrees with free speech but please get over yourselves.
I am a Jew which no one seems to mind saying but hey it is short for Judah. I could go into a whole assload of old testament history between the tribes of Israel but I won't.
No I dont speak Hebrew and I am Messianic so now other "real" Jews will diss me.
Basically you can call me "hunky" kike" "white devil" "blue eyed devil" or any other term in the forum and who cares.
I thought it was funny. You people need to tape your vaginas shut and stop WHINING.
S/Cp5someday said:
Now when is a slur not a slur?
Please this is like being intolerant of intolerance, which is of course INTOLERANT!
It's called free speech! Now not everyone agrees with free speech but please get over yourselves.
I am a Jew which no one seems to mind saying but hey it is short for Judah. I could go into a whole assload of old testament history between the tribes of Israel but I won't.
No I dont speak Hebrew and I am Messianic so now other "real" Jews will diss me.
Basically you can call me "hunky" kike" "white devil" "blue eyed devil" or any other term in the forum and who cares.
I thought it was funny. You people need to tape your vaginas shut and stop WHINING.
