Japs... wtf are they smoking.

[1sty]

Well, "Oriental" is derived from "Orient", the label that first explorers of the western civilizations stuck on the eastern empires (namely China) that they came across. It eventually came to encompass an entire hemisphere ...

So ... just like there are a myriad of religions in America, there are hundreds of other cultures/ethnicities in Asia. So it would be just as large of a misnomer to lump all asians as "Orientals" as to call all Americans "Jewish" (I chose that religion by random ... It could have easily been Catholics, but hell ... Jewish is shorter, and I'm lazy. But I ended up typing "Catholics" anyway ... twice! Bastards! )

Don't mind me ... I'm in the mood to post *****. Muahah. (laugh) I want to get to 1000 already.

You missed the fundamenatal peice that that in English oriental means that area of the world basicly all of south east asia, nothing more or less. So what if a guy came to china first. Doubt he would have stumbled over to Japan and miss china.
Does the word Oriental really piss you off becuase Original a 1000 years ago some used the term to dexribe the area of and around china? Do you hate the chinese that much?

 

[AndrewSilverMP5]

Disclaimer: I don't take offense at being called oriental.

But for argument's sake ...

The Orient was first coined for the geographical region south of the Himalayas and extends to include the Malay archipeligo. So technically, calling a Korean, Japanese or Chinese person an Oriental is incorrect.

Also, the point I was arguing earlier was that it is just as incorrect to call ALL Asians Oriental, as it is to call ALL Americans Jewish, because, obviously ... Not all Americans are Jewish. Likewise, a majority of Asians are not Oriental.

Anyway, no matter the argument for/against any "derogitory name", as long as a majority of the party it is being directed to sees it as offensive, then isn't it thefore a racial slur ?

I love a good debate.

 

[1sty]

the 'white devils' (sundevil your grandpa is funny )

and i personally take pride in being 100% Chinese, and would rather not be confused with being called a Japanese (look I spelled it out! it's not hard!) or a Korean.

And there it is the rascism revealed!
You are offended by a term becuase someone may think by its use you are Japanese and not chinese.
Call me european, Do I get pissed becuase you didn't say Austrian and I am being mistaken or lumped in a group with the french, NO.
Simply why would I not take offense to this. I AM NOT RACIST! Call me any nationaiity or geographical descriptor you like and I will at most correct you and tell you what I am as you were obviously curious.

 

[hawkwind101]

Disclaimer: I don't take offense at being called oriental.

But for argument's sake ...

The Orient was first coined for the geographical region south of the Himalayas and extends to include the Malay archipeligo. So technically, calling a Korean, Japanese or Chinese person an Oriental is incorrect.

Also, the point I was arguing earlier was that it is just as incorrect to call ALL Asians Oriental, as it is to call ALL Americans Jewish, because, obviously ... Not all Americans are Jewish. Likewise, a majority of Asians are not Oriental.

Anyway, no matter the argument for/against any "derogitory name", as long as a majority of the party it is being directed to sees it as offensive, then isn't it thefore a racial slur ?

I love a good debate.

The whole point is that Oriental was never ever considered a derogitory name or a racial slur. And Oriental is not a religion so comparing that to saying Jewish doesn't work. Try comparing it to North American. Should I be offensive by someone calling me a North American instead of Canadian? Damn I don't want to be lumped in with those damn Americans

 

[LinuxRacr]

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Unsubscribing to this tennis match of a thread!

 

[REMillers]

Yes but so as long as it is within reason. If I got a group of people together and said we take offense to being called white, then should everyone stop calling people white?
(Its more of a pinkish light brown color)

Some of the terms used to describe people are simply that.
For example you aren't suppose to call someone black anymore. Instead it is "proper" to say African-American etc..
However I know people who were never from Africa so it doesn't apply to them, but people still call them African American.

It is often near impossible to accurately pick out a persons heritage these days. So don't be suprise if someone mistakens you for another race. I don't see a need to take offense to it either if it is just used to describe you in converstation.

Now when that conerstation is geared towards racism and negatively then ya offense is expected. But most the time its just a term to more directly describe a human.

 

[Natey]

Sorry this is off topic, but I just wanted to say thanks for the laugh. Those trucks are unbelievable! Can you imagine driving one of those things in America? (rofl)

 

[1sty]

Disclaimer: I don't take offense at being called oriental.

But for argument's sake ...

The Orient was first coined for the geographical region south of the Himalayas and extends to include the Malay archipeligo. So technically, calling a Korean, Japanese or Chinese person an Oriental is incorrect.

Not if it fits the deffinition, Someone find a map!

Also, the point I was arguing earlier was that it is just as incorrect to call ALL Asians Oriental, as it is to call ALL Americans Jewish, because, obviously ... Not all Americans are Jewish.

Likewise, a majority of Asians are not Oriental.
Of coarse not, do you have any idea how many people live in India(wow).

Anyway, no matter the argument for/against any "derogitory name", as long as a majority of the party it is being directed to sees it as offensive, then isn't it thefore a racial slur ?

I love a good debate.

WRONG! a slur is a word ment to show hate and intollerance. Grab the dictionairy again.
Becuase someone is offened by a word that means nothing even close to what they think it does or if they think it carries insult does not make it a slur. NOr does it make them more special then anyone else to be able to redifine the dictionary to there liking.

Japs and oreintal are not rascist or slurs no matter how they offend you. They are not intended to imply hate.

Gook is.
Thats a slur and If you and I were walking down the street and someone called you a gook. I would be beating the everloving crap out of the guy before you could blink. Why becuase the word in it origan and use are to be nothing more then hurtful and rasict.

 

[Kooldino]

Disclaimer: I don't take offense at being called oriental.

But for argument's sake ...

The Orient was first coined for the geographical region south of the Himalayas and extends to include the Malay archipeligo. So technically, calling a Korean, Japanese or Chinese person an Oriental is incorrect.

Also, the point I was arguing earlier was that it is just as incorrect to call ALL Asians Oriental, as it is to call ALL Americans Jewish, because, obviously ... Not all Americans are Jewish. Likewise, a majority of Asians are not Oriental.

That's not true, based on the modern def of "Oriental". Based on the modern definition, it's correct.

Anyway, no matter the argument for/against any "derogitory name", as long as a majority of the party it is being directed to sees it as offensive, then isn't it thefore a racial slur ?

Eh, that statement alone is debateable.

 

[1sty]

OK i have said alot toaday so this will be my last for a while.

On this Board I wish you all to be my friends and Know that I never EVER mean to personaly offend anyone in any way.
Nor will I stand for others purposely being hateful toward you or to anyone in my day to day life.

 

[Kooldino]

The whole point is that Oriental was never ever considered a derogitory name or a racial slur. And Oriental is not a religion so comparing that to saying Jewish doesn't work. Try comparing it to North American. Should I be offensive by someone calling me a North American instead of Canadian? Damn I don't want to be lumped in with those damn Americans

What a well worded, well thought out post.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

And there it is the rascism revealed!
You are offended by a term becuase someone may think by its use you are Japanese and not chinese.
Call me european, Do I get pissed becuase you didn't say Austrian and I am being mistaken or lumped in a group with the french, NO.
Simply why would I not take offense to this. I AM NOT RACIST! Call me any nationaiity or geographical descriptor you like and I will at most correct you and tell you what I am as you were obviously curious.

ahem, would I be offended if someone call me a Japanese? No, but I would politely correct them. it's good to give people correct information, rather than having them keep talking in the wrong context.

I don't think I ever said I would get OFFENDED if someone else referred to me as another nationality/ethnicity. I would correct them if I get the chance, but I won't get mad or anything. And YES, IT IS OK if someone refer to me as ASIAN.

you guys are putting words I didn't say in my mouth, sheesh.

I guess this is a difference in how many generations it has been since your ancestors emigrated to the United States. Basically people that have been here for many generations and has well-mixed ethnic background, they don't care anymore because it's too messy to sort everything out, and still stay sane

 

[Kooldino]

Some of the terms used to describe people are simply that.
For example you aren't suppose to call someone black anymore. Instead it is "proper" to say African-American etc..
However I know people who were never from Africa so it doesn't apply to them, but people still call them African American.

Yeah, there are places in the world (Jamaica, for ex) w/ "black" people that aren't African. Screw it, I still call people black. It's technically correct and it's less syllables.

It is often near impossible to accurately pick out a persons heritage these days. So don't be suprise if someone mistakens you for another race. I don't see a need to take offense to it either if it is just used to describe you in converstation.

This is why "race umbrellas" were created. "white" "black" "asian" etc.

 

[Kooldino]

Sorry this is off topic, but I just wanted to say thanks for the laugh. Those trucks are unbelievable! Can you imagine driving one of those things in America? (rofl)

LOL, "off topic"

(lol)

 

[REMillers]

Geez my family for a very, very long time and I'm still not sane.


Actually if anyone wants to refer to me I have a name Or just say "Hey!"

 

[AndrewSilverMP5]

Hm ... in retrospect, "racial slur" was too strong of a word to use. You're right, MP3. However, I still stand by my opinion that if a majority (greater than 50%, let's say) of a group up and decided that "so-so" is offensive, I would respect that decision and refrain from calling them so.

As REMillers pointed out, it's no longer PC to call of "African-American" heritage "black" anymore. Though "black" by no means carries an insulting tone, more descriptive than anything else. All the same, I hear more reporters saying "African-American" than the other, nowadays.

OK i have said alot toaday so this will be my last for a while.

On this Board I wish you all to be my friends and Know that I never EVER mean to personaly offend anyone in any way.
Nor will I stand for others purposely being hateful toward you or to anyone in my day to day life.

(2thumbs) I agree. Sorry for being stubborn ... I'm at work, it's Friday, and I really don't feel like being productive. I think I had too much coffee this morning. Hmph.

 

[Kooldino]

I guess this is a difference in how many generations it has been since your ancestors emigrated to the United States. Basically people that have been here for many generations and has well-mixed ethnic background, they don't care anymore because it's too messy to sort everything out, and still stay sane

Not true, I think it's just about how you are "taught" to be offended by certain things.

 

[REMillers]

And the degree of being "taught" will lessen with each new generation thus ending in the point he was making. Plus after awhile the family tree starts to become mixed with other races so it becomes hard to say what true race you are.
I could be Native American, German, Dutch, or British if I shall choose. Instead I'm just me

Tall skinny white guy me.

 

[Kooldino]

AndrewSilverMP5 - Way to be a man...err...a "person" and recognize/change your outlook on something when an opponent in a debate is right about something. It's something we don't see enough nowaday.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

Not true, I think it's just about how you are "taught" to be offended by certain things.

well what i said SORT OF fits that. If your parents have mixed background, and THEIR parents are mixed as well, they won't put too much emphasis on teaching ethnic pride when you are growing up, since it is pretty much irrelevant to being who you are.


Question: do you consider ethnic pride a form of racism?