Japs... wtf are they smoking.

[AndrewSilverMP5]

AndrewSilverMP5 - Way to be a man...err...a "person" and recognize/change your outlook on something when an opponent in a debate is right about something. It's something we don't see enough nowaday.

AWw shucks ... You're making me blush. (k)



Totally off topic - 2 hours to quitting time !!

 

[Kooldino]

And the degree of being "taught" will lessen with each new generation thus ending in the point he was making.

I'll agree w/ that as a general trend, but it all depends.

Plus after awhile the family tree starts to become mixed with other races so it becomes hard to say what true race you are.
I could be Native American, German, Dutch, or British if I shall choose. Instead I'm just me

Tall skinny white guy me.

LOL

 

[Kooldino]

well what i said SORT OF fits that. If your parents have mixed background, and THEIR parents are mixed as well, they won't put too much emphasis on teaching ethnic pride when you are growing up, since it is pretty much irrelevant to being who you are.

agreed.

Question: do you consider ethnic pride a form of racism?

Most definitely.

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racism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
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"Racism" has a negative connotation attached to it. As stated above, racism is simply prejudice based on race. So saying "Japanese people tend to have black hair" is both TRUE and RACIST, but not offensive. It's racist because you're pointing out something about a group of people based on their race alone.

If you are exercising ethnic pride, you are also doing so based on race/ethnicity alone. That would make one racist, albeit, not necessarily in a negative/harmful way.

 

[1sty]

ON a side note I have a friend.
His dad is black his mom is white.(side, side note I will never say african american as that refers to someone that has moved here ans chosed to live in the USA. Not to mention my 6.3 Black friend demand I say black and not african. D
Now this buddy of mine has 3 siblings one half panamanian, one half korean and the the other is all black.
He calls his dad the equal opportunity impregnator!
(rofl)

 

[AndrewSilverMP5]

[--------------------------------------------------------------------
racism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
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"Racism" has a negative connotation attached to it. As stated above, racism is simply prejudice based on race. So saying "Japanese people tend to have black hair" is both TRUE and RACIST, but not offensive. It's racist because you're pointing out something about a group of people based on their race alone.

If you are exercising ethnic pride, you are also doing so based on race/ethnicity alone. That would make one racist, albeit, not necessarily in a negative/harmful way. [/B]

I don't know if the first statement is totally true. "Japanese people tend to have black hair" is more of an observation. If you were to draw a conclusion (discrimination) or reserve judgement (prejudice) from that observation ... that would be racism. I think ... heheh. At least, that is the meaning I get from the definition.

 

[1sty]

I don't know if the first statement is totally true. "Japanese people tend to have black hair" is more of an observation. If you were to draw a conclusion (discrimination) or reserve judgement (prejudice) from that observation ... that would be racism. I think ... heheh. At least, that is the meaning I get from the definition.

I have devoped my own form of what is not racist or a stereotype.
DISCLAIMER. I expect no one to actualy accept it.

If a stereotype os more then 50% accurate then it is not racist or even a stereo type.

Using a Kooldinos Example:
Asians have dark hair(I used asian becuase this actualy is a braod enoguh term for this area of the world, oriental is prematurely limiting)
Now is that a 100% correct, no, but is it more then 50%? HELL YES thus it is an acceptable statement and not racist or a stereotype.
Now if I said all asians are good at math.
Is this a 100% accurate, NO. Is it 50% accurate? Probably not.
Thus it is a stereotype and not acceptable although if someome tells you you are good at somehtng how pissed can you really be?

 

[Kooldino]

I don't know if the first statement is totally true. "Japanese people tend to have black hair" is more of an observation.

Right, but an observation based on RACE.

If you were to draw a conclusion (discrimination) or reserve judgement (prejudice) from that observation ... that would be racism. I think ... heheh. At least, that is the meaning I get from the definition.

Anytime you point out something about a certain race of people, that's racism. Assuming that a 20 year old Chinese guy has black hair is making a judgement call on the prejudice that most Chinese guys have black hair. And that would be an accurate call. It would also be racist.

 

[Kooldino]

I have devoped my own form of what is not racist or a stereotype.
DISCLAIMER. I expect no one to actualy accept it.

If a stereotype os more then 50% accurate then it is not racist or even a stereo type.

Using a Kooldinos Example:
Asians have dark hair(I used asian becuase this actualy is a braod enoguh term for this area of the world, oriental is prematurely limiting)
Now is that a 100% correct, no, but is it more then 50%? HELL YES thus it is an acceptable statement and not racist or a stereotype.
Now if I said all asians are good at math.
Is this a 100% accurate, NO. Is it 50% accurate? Probably not.
Thus it is a stereotype and not acceptable although if someome tells you you are good at somehtng how pissed can you really be?

Eh, I gotta disagree with you here. Pointing out any differences between people due to race alone is racist. It's just probably not offensive.

 

[AndrewSilverMP5]

Now we're just arguing technicalities, lol.

But since I have an hour more to kill before I leave work:

The definition of Racism was discrimination or prejudice based on race. An observation is neither, it is simply a truth/fact.

 

[StreetPreacher]

the word ORIENTAL should only be used for RUGS and FOOD, not for people. Asian is the politically correct term. I take offence when somebody calls me Oriental..... in my mind, i'm thinking "what an ignorant SOB!"

But 'ChopstickHero' is ok?(uhm)

 

[1sty]

But 'ChopstickHero' is ok?(uhm)

Its that, I can say it becuase I am and you can't becuase your not :bs:

 

[1sty]

Its that, I can say it becuase I am and you can't becuase your not :bs:

Its like someone telling you a black guy can say nigger and no one else can, even the slang nigga is a black only word. This is pure :bs: and I have Zero respect for people with this mentality.

I like my buddy Issac's mentality (a black man) NO ONE is allowed to use that word, Black, White, Asian, Moon people . NO ONE.

 

[StreetPreacher]

Its like someone telling you a black guy can say nigger and no one else can.

We can probably thank NWA for that

p.s. i'm also at work. Will 5pm ever come?? I've got big plans tonight! (beer)

 

[1sty]

We can probably thank NWA for that

"Give a trigga to a nigga, and watch him pull it."
"Negro assasing, I'ma dig ditch, b**** and throw ya ass in"

Ah Icecube, is ther anything more PC. He did say negro.
(rofl)

 

[Kooldino]

Now we're just arguing technicalities, lol.

But since I have an hour more to kill before I leave work:

The definition of Racism was discrimination or prejudice based on race. An observation is neither, it is simply a truth/fact.

But you can be predjudging an attribute (such as hair color) of "Jim Japanese" just because he's Japanese. So right there, that's a prejudice. And since it's a prejudice on the fact that he's Japanese, it's racist. It's just not the same "racism" that you typically think of.

 

[1sty]

Anyone know why in Vietnam the Americans called the North Vientnamese they were fighting, "Charlie"?

 

[clownphish]

Back to "Asian" vs "Oriental"

Well in all actuality, if you want to get technically specific, to call someone "Asian" could be just as offensive as "Oriental" in the broad sense of the term. How about if you ran into somebody from Nepal, or Russia, or Khazakstan would you call them Asian? No, probably not. But why not? Their country is within the continent of Asia (see below, click attachment if pic doesn't show). So based on that, calling a person of Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc. descent "Asian" is categorizing an even broader spectrum of cultures and races of people than "Oriental." However, in societal terms, "Oriental" has become a derogatory reference in some people's opinions, and "Asian" has become the acceptable term, and has again lumped a bunch of people together and, well, forgot a whole hell of a lot of other cultures in its generalization. What about "White" people? I'm German, which is technically in Europe so why aren't I called "European", hell, I'd like to be called European over White, but alas, I was born in America, so I'm "White".

Hrrrmmm, so what do we call each other? I think we'd be a lot better off if people would become a little more educated as to whom their speaking to, first of all. It's ok to be sensitive to the audience you're addressing, especially if it's in a public forum such as this. But being strictly PC is not always possible either... and well, sometimes you come off as a dumbass anyway. In this case though, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt in that he was using "japs" as an abbreviation and was so enthusiastic about his find that he HAD to get it to us ASAP so we could revel in the Transformer creations (which are pretty sweet, BTW, yet slightly disturbing in the same vein...) and share our opinions that his fingers just could not type fast enough and therefore cut off the last part of "Japanese". The "wtf are they smoking" part, though, can be taken in context w/"japs" and therefore taken derogatorily. Now if he'd been like "these ******* japs are whack, man look at this stupid s*** they cooked up, peetards" errr, then yeah, I'D be pissed too because that's just disrespectful. But what if he'd said, "look at this tight Japanese s***, it's like transformers! check it ", would this discussion have been the same?

Sorry for the long post.

 

[clownphish]

freakin' system... grr...

Here's the attachment to the above post, pic didn't work either... grrr....

 

[1sty]

Re: Back to "Asian" vs "Oriental"

But what if he'd said, "look at this tight Japanese s***, it's like transformers! check it ", would this discussion have been the same?

Sorry for the long post.

Great stuf here, this calls for michael!
(mj)

However, And I wish I was making this part up.
According to earlier posters the Japanese would offend Jewish American Women as it supposedly now mean Jewish American Princess
:wtf:

Thus The are obviously offensive words to stay away from. To aviod typing them just rent the movie full metal jackets adn listen to gunnery seagent heartmen at the beggining he does a fabulous job of covering them. Other then that its all good and if it ins't then you have serious self esteem problems or are fundamentaly racist yourself and i can't help you there.

 

[1sty]

Re: freakin' system... grr...

Here's the attachment to the above post, pic didn't work either... grrr....

I didn't know turkey was in asia.
See is it really better to be called asian and lumped in with the turkish or oriental and just lumped into a braod term with the japanese.
(rofl)

I'll let you decide.

If anyone gives me s*** on this I am Turkish aswell so eat a dick.