import vs. corvette
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Some of the replicas are so good (like ERAs), it would be hard to know, unless you knew what to look for. Only the Kirkham is aluminum bodied. All the others are fiberglass. And; the Kirkham's ain't cheap! About $90,000.Replica said:Yeah, this one even had the old interior. Pretty sure it was original. There was a little fade to the seat and everything. I dunno, maybe there's a "prefaded" cobra interior kit.
http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/home.cfm
But; Cobra replicas have been around since the mid 70s, and I have seen them with shabby interiors.
Forged motor, turbo, and engine management alone would put the civic in the 12s on the track.
Add in the $15K price tag on the car, and you're at $25K tops.
Now you have $25K to spend on handling and braking. It could easily be done.
Add in the $15K price tag on the car, and you're at $25K tops.
Now you have $25K to spend on handling and braking. It could easily be done.
In case it wasn't pointed out yet. That statement stems from an article they did about tweaked up imports. And its says outperforms, not just out runs a Z06 in a quater mile.jflo said:
A handful of Civics, Neons, RSX, Evos, S2000 ect that where tuned up by various manufacturers and where put through various track test. Some of which had over $50,000 worth of modifications on top of the selling price of the car. At the end of the article there is a foot note that Car and Driver also put a totaly stock Z06 through the same test and it beat the winning S2000 by over a second on the track. SO in Car and Drivers view, if you are trying to make a civic accelerate, brake, and handle as well as it can be made to do so, its going to cost more then $50K to get it to match a Z06. I would agree with them. You can certainly make it out accelerate a Z06 in the quater mile but what happens when each car hits 130 mph and the vette keeps pulling and the civic hits a wall. Or when the civic can only make 2 shifts before the tranny needs to be rebuilt form the drag? Its going to have to hold up on a road corse all day. A civic can be made to take a gorner or hold a G like a ZO6 but its harder to make it an overall superior handling car. YOu have to consider the cars ability to manuever while braking, accelerating (front whell drive will always be a limitation here), switching directions quickly but over short intervals, ability to stay planted over bumps and dips.
Simply put you will need a totaly built and blue printed motor, a ton of engine bay work to handle and feed the beast ( fuel pump, lines, injector, intake plumbing, intercooler), a turbo set up that can spool extreamly fast but make alot of top end power aswell. A totaly custom EM system, a clutch/flywheel that can handle the monster, a tranny custom built to handle the extra power and the need for higher top speeds for the straights, an all new front end to handle the power, a bajesus of suspension mods and chassis stifening, a totaly new brake system.
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since this racing style corvette came out in 1985 there's been so much money and time thrown at its development, it better be faster than the alternatives for the price
sorry but i don't care either way, if i'm going to drop $50K, the car better pull and handle with all 4 wheels, i'm not going to stay inside when it rains
sorry but i don't care either way, if i'm going to drop $50K, the car better pull and handle with all 4 wheels, i'm not going to stay inside when it rains
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Love my Mazda! I really do, folks!
But; a Z06 is another animal altogether. It will always be able to do things, a modified (highly or otherwise) Protege will never be able to do.
But; a Z06 is another animal altogether. It will always be able to do things, a modified (highly or otherwise) Protege will never be able to do.
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Ok, so the civic might beat the vette. But I would take a Vette over a civic any day. I'm sorry, but Hondas are just bleh. They're EVERYWHERE!!! I couldnt handle driving a car where I see 30 other one just like mine evey day. Plus the new Z06 will have well over 500 horse and nearly 600 lb-ft running high 11's DEAD STOCK. American muscle over japanese technology any day for me.
ey, i strongly disagree. Especially since I've been doing this for a while. There are plenty of hondas that could outperform a corvette. Those 4 cylinder cars in car and driver had ridiculous price tags. The only thing I don't think the civic will be able to do is come close to matching its top speed, and for all practical purposes why bother? As for the tranny, mine was shotpeened thats it. It held over 260 whp no problem, and we abused the hell out of it. There are plenty of people who have frozen and peened trannys that are holding over 400 whp no problem.
I don't have the article in front of me, but i just might be able to give you a point of reference. If you read the c&d's new boost magazine. If you look at the car they figure in the cost of labor in the price, along with the stupid graphics (which were surprisingly not cheap), and all the body mods, which are even more expensive. A well built civic will survive many times around the track. Mine sure did, and this was pretty much untuned running off of someone elses maps for our AEM unit.
As for why those civics weren't in those tests. Well most people like my build it up for themselves and don't market it. I don't know anyone who buys the jackson supercharger kits or expensive things like that. Something tells me c&d won't put a non name brand kit/car in, theres just nothing in it for them. I mean when was the last time you saw a modded car in there that was actually put together by the owner. Thats reserved for turbo mag, scc, etc etc.
As for why those civics weren't in those tests. Well most people like my build it up for themselves and don't market it. I don't know anyone who buys the jackson supercharger kits or expensive things like that. Something tells me c&d won't put a non name brand kit/car in, theres just nothing in it for them. I mean when was the last time you saw a modded car in there that was actually put together by the owner. Thats reserved for turbo mag, scc, etc etc.
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Wouldn't th eones building and marketing the cars have the most resources to creat the best car? After all they are trying to show off what they can do.
If people don't buy expensive super chargers then what do they do. They buy expensive turbo kits from what I have seen.
If people don't buy expensive super chargers then what do they do. They buy expensive turbo kits from what I have seen.
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Not to mention....upkeep on such a modded import. The Vette is a great daily driver.
But; gimme this: (less than a new Z06) 400-500+ hp for about $50,000 & only 1,500 lbs.
But; gimme this: (less than a new Z06) 400-500+ hp for about $50,000 & only 1,500 lbs.
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I think the aftermarket companies are also trying to create a car that is livable as a daily driver and comfortable. Where as other people throw that out the window and just go for performance. That would be my guess.
I don't personally know a singles person who bought a complete kit, whether it be supercharger from jackson, or a turbo kit from greddy or hks. Might just be the area over here but it seems the overwhelming majority piece togther a kit. Buy a manifold from here, custom build that, buy the turbo alone, get a wastegate from someone else. Thats just in my experiece and what I do. Even with the msp, my fmic is from different people. I did the piping, bought the bov from greddy, core from spearco, and did it for far cheaper than buying a kit from ion or even hiboost which seems to be the lowest bidder. It's all how you spend the money, if your willing to put in the time, and if you know how to get it done.
I don't personally know a singles person who bought a complete kit, whether it be supercharger from jackson, or a turbo kit from greddy or hks. Might just be the area over here but it seems the overwhelming majority piece togther a kit. Buy a manifold from here, custom build that, buy the turbo alone, get a wastegate from someone else. Thats just in my experiece and what I do. Even with the msp, my fmic is from different people. I did the piping, bought the bov from greddy, core from spearco, and did it for far cheaper than buying a kit from ion or even hiboost which seems to be the lowest bidder. It's all how you spend the money, if your willing to put in the time, and if you know how to get it done.
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This might be interesting for both you and AGR. I know a guy who has a cobra with a ls6 motor in it, it dynoed at 395 whp. His partner is currently building up a civic (b18b block, b16 head, ls tranny etc). The cobra outperforms the vette in every catagory and when the civic is done I know there gonna take it to the track. Depending on the weekend I'll head up there and see how both cars fare.
By the way the cobra is for sale if anyone is interested...
By the way the cobra is for sale if anyone is interested...
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Chevy motor? You cannot be serious. Cobra is all about Ford. Oh well. The Superformance is a complete roller. They recommend powerplants, and tranny. But; everything else is finished - even the paint. They are one of the very best out there.RyanJayG said:
