I am going Turbo

JcsMP3 said:
I am going to run about 8 psi for street use and 10 for track and dyno. I will be using an FMIC as well. I plan on getting an oil cooler as well.
JC
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Lay off the crack pipe, man. Try 7psi on the street, 8psi on dyno/track. Our engine will crap out at 10psi.
 
spoolinmp3 said:
I dont think Ben meant crap...just comparitivly speaking a tubular outflows a log manifold.



The begi kit is a great kit! If there is one kit on the market that I would buy it would have to be Corky Bells.;)

Dont feel bad Port...You will be boostin soon and thats all that matters:D
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Honestly I wasn't impressed with the Bell kit at ALL. So far I like everything about the M2 kit except for the manifold. You should get in touch with M2 and see if you guys could work something out along the lines of getting your manifold in their kit.
 
Lay off the crack pipe, man. Try 7psi on the street, 8psi on dyno/track. Our engine will crap out at 10psi.
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Ahhh but I have ran 12psi on my car. I think that 10psi can be attained on stock internals but to be honest I am more than satisfied with my 8 psi of boost:) I am more concerned with the tranny actually now then the motor. I do not have much confidence in the stock tranny.

As far as that t28. Ther are no specs. I would be weary on buying rebuilt turbos on ebay...just ask Ben:rolleyes:

Also more than likley that turbo is undersized for our application.
 
The housing has been re-used, but the internals are new. The T-28 is an upgrade to the T-25 (stock on an eclipse GS-T, or Talon TSI) This turbo is capable of 20 PSI. Which is alot more than you will need to push. It will also spool faster than a 16G.

I understand if you would want to take advise from someone that took off there air filter to hear his turbo, and sucked a rock into it and blew it up.

:bs:
 
mikesmazda155 said:
The housing has been re-used, but the internals are new. The T-28 is an upgrade to the T-25 (stock on an eclipse GS-T, or Talon TSI) This turbo is capable of 20 PSI. Which is alot more than you will need to push. It will also spool faster than a 16G.

I understand if you would want to take advise from someone that took off there air filter to hear his turbo, and sucked a rock into it and blew it up.

:bs:
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I've ordered stuff from mikesmazda and he's never screwed me on anything. I'd rather buy at cost from him than buy a tubular manifold from someone trying to make a $200 profit.

HAHAHAHAHA SPOOLIN HAS NO TURBO!!! He's SO smart by sucking a rock in it. HE KNOWS HIS TURBOS. I for one am not taking any turbo advice from spoolin.
 
HAHAHAHAHA SPOOLIN HAS NO TURBO!!! He's SO smart by sucking a rock in it. HE KNOWS HIS TURBOS. I for one am not taking any turbo advice from spoolin.
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Believe as you wish, and buy from who you want and talk all the s*** you want......its a free country;)

Mikes mazda, I am not trying to harrass you here. Just give you the facts. There is no need to use childish replies.

For your info at t25 can make 18psi, so why not use that:rolleyes: if you are so concerned with spool up time.

Boost is not created equal and thats as far as I will explain.....go ahead and make your own mistakes. And yes everyonce in a while I get a brain fart and do stupid s***. But atleast I am not Ignorant....Go ahead and put your teeny weeeny cutle litlle t28 on the car:eek:

Some people have a lot to learn;)
 
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Some good points here but remember people effiecincy is key here. Yes a T25 will push 18 psi and spool fater than a 16G but a 16G at 18psi will be blowing about 200 degree cooler air than a T25 at 18psi. seems like you are just looking at what pressure the turbo can push and not how well it can push that much boost. Read up some more before you start to mess with the big boys son.
 
spoolinmp3 said:


Believe as you wish, and buy from who you want and talk all the s*** you want......its a free country;)

Mikes mazda, I am not trying to harrass you here. Just give you the facts. There is no need to use childish replies.

For your info at t25 can make 18psi, so why not use that:rolleyes: if you are so concerned with spool up time.

Boost is not created equal and thats as far as I will explain.....go ahead and make your own mistakes. And yes everyonce in a while I get a brain fart and do stupid s***. But atleast I am not Ignorant....Go ahead and put your teeny weeeny cutle litlle t28 on the car:eek:

Some people have a lot to learn;)
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T-25 18psi
T-28 20psi (more psi that is why they call it an upgrade)
I think my reply was just as childish as yours. I said that I am going with a T-3 with a super 60 compresor. Point made not trying to start the fighting
 
Wow

Alrighty... I can see some feuds already forming in this forum..... I am 24 years old... and I think I am more then capable of making my own decisions here. I really appreciate the advice anyone can give me. Doing this project is my new hobby, anything and every bid of advice is welcome.

Anyone running a turbo on their mp3 or P5 right now.... congrats... you have over come a serious hurdle in the protege line up....

Just keep it friendly guys, no need to argue about the past.. Everyone learns from their mistakes.. it takes man to admit he made a mistake but it takes a man to learn from it as well.....

Jc
 
Just keep it friendly guys, no need to argue about the past.. Everyone learns from their mistakes.. it takes man to admit he made a mistake but it takes a man to learn from it as well.....
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I think you hit the nail on the head JcsMP3. I just want to say I replied the way I did to hold my ground, If I initially made a comment about the t28 turbo I did not mean to come across sounding like a prick, but If I did, I sincerely apologize.

Lets keep this forum civil, thats why I came over to this side of the pond in the first place. And mikes mazda if you think I came across as some arrogant know it all moderator I appologize. This forum is an outlet for most of us to unwind so lets keep it that way:)

Regarding the turbo, I mentioned the t25 to be sarcastic, perhaps I should not have done so and just debated my point like I have done in all prevous threads.

All I was intiatlly trying to do was give my educated opinion. Of course you can use a t28 or even a t25 on our motors. Yes you will get close to instantaneous spool up but after 4500 rpm the turbo will start to run out of breath. The key into matching the proper turbo to engine application is to get an even balance. Good spool up and decent top end. The 16g even starts to run out of breath after 6 grand. We can still use a slightly bigger turbo if top end power is your forte. If you are really concerned with power before 4 grand then perhaps the t28 is a good choice, but after that it is no longer efficeint. Lots of psi does not necessarily mean more power...actually you can start loosing more power with more psi. Efficiency is the key here not psi or a turbos ability to produce a certain psi. Reason being that a t28 is an upgrade over a t25 is not how much boost it can make but how much more efficient it is on the overall spectrum because of the larger compressor housing and turbine. And then there are so many different variants in the garrett family on a particular turbo. You can get a t25 that can outflow a t28 with the different specs i.e a/r ratio, housing size, turbine and compressor wheel.

Well enough on my rambling and my aplogies to everyone that I offended.:)
 
I am also sorry,I am having a terrible week. Trying to get all of the turbo stuff together. If there is anyone on this board that I did not want to get into a flame war with it was you and chdesign. You two have been really helpful on my turbo venture.

No I don't think that you were being arrogant, believe me I see arrogant every week-end arround here. You reacted off of the situation I put you in, I think that I over reacted to your post and I appologize for that.

The only reason that I am changing my mind on the turbo is because on my manifold the flange is for a T3. So I am going to change the turbo while I have the money.......and yes I am going bigger....LOL

Hopefully no hard feeling, I have much respect for everone in this forum, maybe one day I will be able to help out people on this forum like you and CHdesign.

So with that said lets get back to the norm.
 
Well done guys....Well done...I had the extinguisher out ready to dowse the flames...but no need now...everything is cool...remember nothing is gained from a flame war....nothing.

Back to your regularly scheduled topic...:D
 
HAHAHAHAHA SPOOLIN HAS NO TURBO!!! He's SO smart by sucking a rock in it. HE KNOWS HIS TURBOS. I for one am not taking any turbo advice from spoolin.
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Who the hell is this guy. Ooooo,....look,.....he only has one post. Don't bring your s*** here, you will just get smacked down. I have the tubular manifold from spoolin and it is one of the best I have ever seen. If you really think a T28 is good enough, go for it. But when you cant figure out why you cant stop the detonation when running at 10psi, and at 10psi you still can't break the 200whp mark, come here and ask us why. The intake temps the T28 puts out are WAY higher than the T3 or 16G. Turbos have efficiency ratings just like an intercooler does. Trust me, the T3 is much more effieient than the T28. At 10psi that you will push on your T28, you will have about 170 to 190whp. At the same psi onl my T3, I will have at least 200whp.
 
big_ben said:

Who the hell is this guy. Ooooo,....look,.....he only has one post. Don't bring your s*** here, you will just get smacked down. I have the tubular manifold from spoolin and it is one of the best I have ever seen. If you really think a T28 is good enough, go for it. But when you cant figure out why you cant stop the detonation when running at 10psi, and at 10psi you still can't break the 200whp mark, come here and ask us why. The intake temps the T28 puts out are WAY higher than the T3 or 16G. Turbos have efficiency ratings just like an intercooler does. Trust me, the T3 is much more effieient than the T28. At 10psi that you will push on your T28, you will have about 170 to 190whp. At the same psi onl my T3, I will have at least 200whp.
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OOooooo my one post.... Well, did it ever occur to you that I'd rather work on my car then go on the internet every minute trying to surpass 1000 posts on a web forum? Don't bring my s*** here or I will just get smacked down? Here's an idea... read other peoples posts. You see, it was supposedly understood that the little "web fight" was over. Maybe instead of writing 950+ posts, you should read a few. Thank you.
 
I'm not going to fight with you, but before you go bashing someone's work, you need to read up on it a little. You have no idea how much spoolin knows about turbos, you have no idea what his manifolds look like. All you know is what you read in the two minutes before you posted on this board. Trust me, I'm sure no one will pay attention to you when you say you won't listen to anything spoolin has to say. Everyone here already know's his products are great and that he definetely knows what he's talking about. But you come on here, and with your first post, you use it to bash someone you know nothing about. You need to reconsider what you have just said in your last two posts.
 
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