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I hate HOA's too... they'ze the devil bobby!

But I didnt have to pay more than $1300 down on the house, which isnt that much. Everything else was financed into the loan. And I got the loan by myself for $142k. Not because I made a great amount of money, but because my credit was really great. So beware of how much they are willing to finance you based on your credit OR your income. Dont over extend yourself, no matter what they say the income to debt ratio they say is. You should know how much you can afford by doing a quick budget on your own.
 
Credit sucks when it's bad :(. I can afford to pay up to $2000, but my credit is garbage(all my fault). Hey lara, did you use the VA Loan??
 
I went FHA. I'm going to use my Va for my next house though... well, if and when. I read an article that said that the housing market is due to plunge soon. I'm guessing by the next year or so. And I'll tell you why. The article said that there is such a lack of homes and condos in alot of the areas in Florida and California, builders and project managers started to make TOO many homes to keep up with demand that isnt quite finished yet. By time these homes, condos, and other residences are completed, the population to housing ratio will be terribly uneven, causing alot of the prices to plunge. Homes that are seen rising from two years ago to now to about $20k a month and rising on average, will hit the lowering point by another year or two. The ceiling is only so high that the housing market will almost collapse on itself. People that wanted $185k - $220k for their home that was ordinarily $150k before the increases were seen, can expect to see no more than $170 on average for that home by next year. Alot of people are trying to take advantage of the higher prices now and trying to sell. But not everyone will be buying for long, causing that house to loose its value. Especially when that same house down the street is going for just a little less.

So, in the end, I think we're going to see alot more people renting in the long run. Or more leasing with the option to buy until prices go down. Why buy a house within this year or next if the prices will more than likely start to drop due to newer and more affordable homes? They also said that because of all the building and all the projects that will be done when all this is on the downswing, you'll be able to get alot of condo's near Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Palm Beach - in Fl and all along the coast in Cali, for much less than what they're going for now. I guess we'll see what happens by next year. Too hard to tell right now, but I definetly think that prices wont be going much higher for very long.
 
I agree, as far as the coast. Out here in Cali alot of people from the city are moving out to the Valley/Desert. These homes are much cheaper than paying rent or owning in L.A. I think the prices will even out ,but will keep rising, even if not by alot.
 
laracroft said:
The house is supposed to be worth $154 compared to the $136 I now owe. But after I pay realtor fees and such, I'm sure I'll end up with like $5k in my pocket. lol But at this point, I dont care. I just want to sell the damn thing and get out of the "deep south" and be with Ghost again. He's in Florida alone without me. :(

I think as long as you stay in the positive in the long run.... buying has to be better than renting (ignoring the hasstles along with).

About PMI.... if you put less than 10% down, will you actually lose in the long run? Everyone says put as much down as you can... but what if you pay the house off quicker or sell it or something... do you still want to put a lot down? I am a bit confused... sorry. Thanks guys.
 
Putting more money down helps with lower payments and just looks better. Other than that, if you dont have the money to put down, then you'll just pay higher payments. If you go through a government program, you may not have to pay for the closing costs at all, but what they WILL do, is turn around and put the downpayment back into the price of the house (hope that doesnt confuse you).

As long as you plan on staying in the house for at the LEAST 5 years and not moving any earlier than that, you should be fine. Just make sure that you put the house up for sale during a time that you're house is more marketable (ie Spring or Summer) and you also leave enough time where you wont be in a rush to hurry and sell.
 
Its broken down monthly into payments. When you find out how much your property taxes are each year, then you just have to divide it by 12 months. That will in your "escrow" that the mortgage company pays for you once a year, but that you pay as part of your house payment every month. If you also have what they call private insurance because of a certain funding program, then that will also get figured into your payments monthly. The rest of you payment is your monthly interest.
For example:

Monthly:

Principal & Interest (meaning your payment alone plus interest):
$700
+
Escrow (which is anything from Private Mortgage Insurance to Property Taxes):
$222

Gives you a monthly payment of $922.

Your taxes for the year are broken down into monthly payments. So say your taxes that are included in the $222 payment part are only $120 monthly. That means the rest of the $102 is paid to your insurance company. So your yearly taxes would be $1440 on your house. You also pay $1224 a year in insurance costs for the house to cover for say hurricanes and or a fire.
 
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RODSCALIP5 said:
Im confused with this tax stuff, ho wmuch tax do you pay a month?

Rod,
In California you property tax works out to 1.25% of the purchase price of the house. Figure if you buy a $300,000 house you'll be paying $3750 a year in property tax. You can either have this paid through an escrow account with your mortgage, adding $312.50 to you monthly mortgage payment or if you pay it directly to the state yourself it's due in November and June fi I remember correctly, but you have to make sure su budget for it otherwise you'll but SOL. Personally I do mine directly to the state, but that's just so that I can move around which year I pay it in depending on what i need to do for taxes that year.

If you are only planing on staying for a few years and not able to do much of a down payment I would probably suggest that you stay out of the housing market right now. Especially in San Diego I will take a strong bet that prices will stagnate and possible drop in the next year or two. If you plan on staying for a long time, ie; 5-10 years then this is not as much of a problem, but if not and you don't have too much equity then you will end upside down when you want to sell.
You have to remember that along with the purchase adn selling price of the house there are also the escrow company, realtor and mortgage fees.
Just for an example my wife and I just sold our investment condo for $268,000 that we paid $221,000 for back in January. You'd expect that we ended up with $47,000 in profit from this but the actual check I deposited in the bank was for $25,600 after paying $10,000 in realtor fees, and that was good as it was only 3.75% split to both agents, escrow fees totally about $1200 and $9000 in taxes to the state. Then add to this the $2000 we spent on fixing up the place, and this is doing almost all the work ourselves, and paying four month worth of mortgage. All told after all taxes and fees we'll still end up with about $15,000 depending on how much of this I can make disapear before tax time.
This still seems like a good deal but take in to account that we had the money available to buy the place and rehab it and also had the time and skill to do it ourselves. It also helps that I grew up witha broker for a mother so I also know the cycles pretty well. We always buy our home in winter as that is when most people do not want to move so they are not really looking and prices usually go down and we sold in spring when most people are ready to move and prices go up. Also we bought a place that needed a little work and had been on the market for 6 months, almost unheard of in our area. We've worked on enough houses to know what it would take to fix it up to 'jem' like condition and flip it. We sold the same place in 2 weeks with a 20 day escrow that hadn't sold in 6 months just 4 months earlier.
If you are buying in to a new tract take in to account that you will need to have a lot of work done right after you move in. Most new house tracts only come with the front yard landscaped, if that, and the HOA requires you to have your front landscaping done with in 3 months of moving in and the back done with in the first year. And this can cost $5000 to $50,000 depending on what you like. This doesn't even figure the cost of all the new furniture you will want to buy because you don't have enough to fill the place. Then there are still the added utility costs of gas, water, electricity, phone, internet, cable/satellite TV, insurance and trash. Plus your HOA fees which in newer tracts can be $100-300 per month. Also you will either need to take the time to take care of your lawn and plants or pay a gardener to do it.
If you are just starting out and don't have much money I would seriously suggest waiting, living in a tiny cheap apartment so that you can save up the money for a good down payment on a place of at the least moving in to a condo or townhouse where you do not have to pay for some of these costs and someone else takes care of the outside. It may not be as nice but it may be something you can better afford.
If after you look at all the costs and fees you can still afford a house then by all means go ahead a buy a house they are a great investment and you have pride of ownership but just don't expect to make money on it for the next few years, you have to be willing to live in it for at least 5 years and possibly 10 years. I always recommend buying a nice small house in a good neighborhood as it is less likely to go down in price even when other areas do. And if you can find the time and have the skills to work on it then buy something that needs some TLC as it will build you some great equity. We manage $104,000 increase on our first house, $47,000 on the condo and have approximately $180,000 increase on our current house which puts us with $265,000 in equity in it.

I think I'll stop now as I didn't really mean to write a book, but this is something I am passionate about. If you have any questions that I didn't answer ask away.
 
Greg S said:
Rod,
In California you property tax works out to 1.25% of the purchase price of the house. Figure if you buy a $300,000 house you'll be paying $3750 a year in property tax. You can either have this paid through an escrow account with your mortgage, adding $312.50 to you monthly mortgage payment or if you pay it directly to the state yourself it's due in November and June fi I remember correctly, but you have to make sure su budget for it otherwise you'll but SOL. Personally I do mine directly to the state, but that's just so that I can move around which year I pay it in depending on what i need to do for taxes that year.

If you are only planing on staying for a few years and not able to do much of a down payment I would probably suggest that you stay out of the housing market right now. Especially in San Diego I will take a strong bet that prices will stagnate and possible drop in the next year or two. If you plan on staying for a long time, ie; 5-10 years then this is not as much of a problem, but if not and you don't have too much equity then you will end upside down when you want to sell.
You have to remember that along with the purchase adn selling price of the house there are also the escrow company, realtor and mortgage fees.
Just for an example my wife and I just sold our investment condo for $268,000 that we paid $221,000 for back in January. You'd expect that we ended up with $47,000 in profit from this but the actual check I deposited in the bank was for $25,600 after paying $10,000 in realtor fees, and that was good as it was only 3.75% split to both agents, escrow fees totally about $1200 and $9000 in taxes to the state. Then add to this the $2000 we spent on fixing up the place, and this is doing almost all the work ourselves, and paying four month worth of mortgage. All told after all taxes and fees we'll still end up with about $15,000 depending on how much of this I can make disapear before tax time.
This still seems like a good deal but take in to account that we had the money available to buy the place and rehab it and also had the time and skill to do it ourselves. It also helps that I grew up witha broker for a mother so I also know the cycles pretty well. We always buy our home in winter as that is when most people do not want to move so they are not really looking and prices usually go down and we sold in spring when most people are ready to move and prices go up. Also we bought a place that needed a little work and had been on the market for 6 months, almost unheard of in our area. We've worked on enough houses to know what it would take to fix it up to 'jem' like condition and flip it. We sold the same place in 2 weeks with a 20 day escrow that hadn't sold in 6 months just 4 months earlier.
If you are buying in to a new tract take in to account that you will need to have a lot of work done right after you move in. Most new house tracts only come with the front yard landscaped, if that, and the HOA requires you to have your front landscaping done with in 3 months of moving in and the back done with in the first year. And this can cost $5000 to $50,000 depending on what you like. This doesn't even figure the cost of all the new furniture you will want to buy because you don't have enough to fill the place. Then there are still the added utility costs of gas, water, electricity, phone, internet, cable/satellite TV, insurance and trash. Plus your HOA fees which in newer tracts can be $100-300 per month. Also you will either need to take the time to take care of your lawn and plants or pay a gardener to do it.
If you are just starting out and don't have much money I would seriously suggest waiting, living in a tiny cheap apartment so that you can save up the money for a good down payment on a place of at the least moving in to a condo or townhouse where you do not have to pay for some of these costs and someone else takes care of the outside. It may not be as nice but it may be something you can better afford.
If after you look at all the costs and fees you can still afford a house then by all means go ahead a buy a house they are a great investment and you have pride of ownership but just don't expect to make money on it for the next few years, you have to be willing to live in it for at least 5 years and possibly 10 years. I always recommend buying a nice small house in a good neighborhood as it is less likely to go down in price even when other areas do. And if you can find the time and have the skills to work on it then buy something that needs some TLC as it will build you some great equity. We manage $104,000 increase on our first house, $47,000 on the condo and have approximately $180,000 increase on our current house which puts us with $265,000 in equity in it.

I think I'll stop now as I didn't really mean to write a book, but this is something I am passionate about. If you have any questions that I didn't answer ask away.

Thank You fo rthe advice. I have been hearing about the market dropping. I am planning on buying in the Murrieta/Temecula area. This is growing fast, and seems like a good place to buy. I realize that this might be a bad idea also, as the more people= more problems. I am currently looking at a Condo for $299K 3 bed 2.5 baths, 3 floors. I have some tough decisions to make :D.
 
mountjonas said:
Hey Greg, what part of Valencia are you at. I'm off Copper Hill.

Just below you, Haskel Cyn and Jeffers. Technically Saugus.
 
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RODSCALIP5 said:
Thank You fo rthe advice. I have been hearing about the market dropping. I am planning on buying in the Murrieta/Temecula area. This is growing fast, and seems like a good place to buy. I realize that this might be a bad idea also, as the more people= more problems. I am currently looking at a Condo for $299K 3 bed 2.5 baths, 3 floors. I have some tough decisions to make :D.


That seems like a good price to me. I don't think you can get a 3 bedroom place in san diego for under 300k. I'd go for temecula, my brother in law lives there and it's seems like a nice place to live. A lot of firefighters and police officers who work in SD live up there.

Greg, you're not the white p5 with two rockymount racks, are you?
 
mountjonas said:
That seems like a good price to me. I don't think you can get a 3 bedroom place in san diego for under 300k. I'd go for temecula, my brother in law lives there and it's seems like a nice place to live. A lot of firefighters and police officers who work in SD live up there.

Yeah, Temecula is one of those areas that may just flatten out but I don't think it'll drop dramatically.

Greg, you're not the white p5 with two rockymount racks, are you?


Nope, it's actually my wife's, midnight blue and bone stock.
 
the one thing to check on too is most newer homes in CA have to pay a the mello-roos tax on top of the property tax. So don't forget to add that into any pricing figures. It can bump to property tax to 2%.

if you're interested in temecula - then this is a good place to see what the property taxes and HOAs are by communitieis -> http://www.temelink.com/communities/
 

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