Hiboost + cold = nothing

[MPNick]

Any votes toward a tuning methodoligies thread to discuss issues like how to get a car to idle in cold weather, throttle on hesitations, boost fall off tuning etc? If so I'll put up a thread tonight and get it started. I think that may be useful for most, and for questions like this. That way it isn't a HiBoost, MPI, Microtech, or AEM thread and we can discuss what it takes to get a car to run, not what is running it.

Yes here is one that work all of the time. Keep the stock injectors in and do not fire them in batch mode.

 

[MPNick]

Dexter...thank you...


Nick...How does your post in any remote way assist him?

Answer: It does not.

Let me know if you need any assistance. I will see if I have any older notebooks hanging around my office (I'm a product manager at Toshiba Canada). PM me if you need...

Maybe a few of you guys can help out the more down the road by being more open about problems with things like cold starting. When you see people talk about problems with the MPI{always a install or car problem} you guy "help out" by adding fuel to the fire for no reason. You also talk about how your set up work 100%. Now we see that some of you do not worry about cold starting because you do not drive when it gets cold. Thats cool if it works for you. But you need to ask that if some of these people who got this system would have been told about some of these problems maybe they would have gone another way?

 

[Super Matty P]

Therefor...the purpose of the thread is to ASSIST him.

Nick...How does your post in any remote way assist him?

Answer: It does not.

What it does do: Further show that you love to pimp out your product in the most unprofessional way (which you are consistant at). It also is direspectful of Pretzellogic's thread.

You have a good product...but I am so amazed at your inability to represent it and your services.
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Preach on Preacher. Let's raise an offering.

 

[YP5 Toronto]

Maybe a few of you guys can help out the more down the road by being more open about problems with things like cold starting. When you see people talk about problems with the MPI{always a install or car problem} you guy "help out" by adding fuel to the fire for no reason. You also talk about how your set up work 100%. Now we see that some of you do not worry about cold starting because you do not drive when it gets cold. Thats cool if it works for you. But you need to ask that if some of these people who got this system would have been told about some of these problems maybe they would have gone another way?

Nick...ask yourself...have you helped anyone in this forum outside of your own product. Terry, Keith and Juan were known for offering technical assistance and even hardware for ANYONE having problems with their FI setup.

An example of how THIS thread could have been done differently would be if you had offered some level of assistance or offered a few tips. I am sure you have a wealth of knowledge to share, but as noted before you take a totally different route with all of your posts....a CONFRONTATIONAL one.... a "im better than you" approach.

Before you start to tell others how to post...be realistic. The cold start issue was never hidden....lots of posts about it.. and whenever someone PMs me about the Hiboost kit...i mention it... but most of the turbo talk happens around spring and summer time...and who really thinks about cold starting or asks about it? If they ask ....there are plenty of cold climate Hiboosters that would be open and honest about it.

Take a look a historical posts before you preach about ragging on other peoples product. I for one have NEVER gone into a perfectly good thread and thrown it to the crapper with XXX vs ZZZ issues. (its an entirely difference scenario when posts are asking for opinions....and when that happens I never say anything bad about the other products...nor does Juan)

I have said this time and time again... you have some great knowledge to share and a good product (IMO), but it all gets LOST (has gotten lost for many perspective buyers) with the way you market your product and your services.

 

[mazdaspeedpower]

Maybe a few of you guys can help out the more down the road by being more open about problems with things like cold starting. When you see people talk about problems with the MPI{always a install or car problem} you guy "help out" by adding fuel to the fire for no reason. You also talk about how your set up work 100%. Now we see that some of you do not worry about cold starting because you do not drive when it gets cold. Thats cool if it works for you. But you need to ask that if some of these people who got this system would have been told about some of these problems maybe they would have gone another way?

KNow wut works for me? Stock ECU running rich, cutting fuel, and starting in -27*C weather...and also, it's nice to see all these thread jacks in Pretz thread....you're all ******* assholes, go talk about your problems with each other in another thread, this guy needs help, not advice about how his unit isn't as good as someone elses unit, that is better then that unit, which in turn is the better unit than the first one, but not the last one....my advice pretz, maybe see if you can roll her, or get her towed to a wamr garage, and heat her up a bit, and see if she'll start then. Also, maybe try using a space heater, warm her up a bit..I know it sounds kinda dumb, but if this is simply a cold thing on startup, that'll help her start up a bit easier. Hopefully the new maps you're getting sent will work, and you'll then be able to be back to having a running car.

 

[mazdaspeedpower]

have you checked the plugs? Maybe check the connections, and the wires etc...maybe check the plugs themselves also....just a thought. What kind of cranking is it? Slow painful cranks, or quick I'm almost there/normal cranks?

 

[MPNick]

Nick...ask yourself...have you helped anyone in this forum outside of your own product.

I have said this time and time again... you have some great knowledge to share and a good product (IMO), but it all gets LOST (has gotten lost for many perspective buyers) with the way you market your product and your services.

I have helped people when they want to be helped, so yes.

I also do not candy coat anything. I tell like it is, some may find it to hard for them and that is fine with me. I talk the talk and walk the walk, if it a lost sale I am good with that also. Will live in a free world, here in North America anyway.

 

[YP5 Toronto]

have you checked the plugs? Maybe check the connections, and the wires etc...maybe check the plugs themselves also....just a thought. What kind of cranking is it? Slow painful cranks, or quick I'm almost there/normal cranks?

I think I mentioned it before...but its lost in this thread now. Change out your plugs to a hotter stage (Stage 5). I am using NGK Iridiums (extended reach) and I am experiencing better starting than last winter.

I have contemplated a block heater, but my weather is a bit more extreme...the other night it was minus 17 degrees celcius. Stock protege5s had a tough time with that weather...and we will get colder weather.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

also make sure it is fully warmed up before driving it...

oh yes

on a side note, we've had a few 0-5 degree days here north of chicago *brr* and I don't have a problem getting the car to start. I'll echo the statement that the cold start enrichment that juan provided was not accurate and I basically threw it out in favor of my own adjustment factors. The supposed "cold start issue" is not with the haltech hardware or the turbo kit, its with the map. I had an instance last week with Dexter where I flooded the car because part of my enrichment at startup was too rich. Other than that my personal experience with the unit has been 90% positive. That said, having a unit that can add/pull fuel based on air temperature is still better than a unit that cannot, even if it means going in tuning the map.

My advice; download the newest version of HalWinX, get a semi decent WinXP laptop and a wideband o2. Tuning itself is really a piece of cake.

 

[mazdaspeedpower]

I think I mentioned it before...but its lost in this thread now. Change out your plugs to a hotter stage (Stage 5). I am using NGK Iridiums (extended reach) and I am experiencing better starting than last winter.

I have contemplated a block heater, but my weather is a bit more extreme...the other night it was minus 17 degrees celcius. Stock protege5s had a tough time with that weather...and we will get colder weather.

yeah, i saw you say that, but just for starting, he should check them, maybe they are not so great right now, but definaltey like you said, replace them, and yes, my P5 had a few rough starts on colder days..the speed seems to be doing fine most days, but like I said, sunday, -27c, plus a windchill on top of that, took five turns to get er going...but that was extreme cold...normally it's not that cold...and a block heater would be nice..but I don't wanna pay for one, if it's so cold my car won't start...then thats fine with me, gives me a reason not to go out.

 

[Super Matty P]

Ken, my laptop is Windows ME and I'm runnign the HalWinX...am I going to have any problems that you know of? I'll be sure to install XP on my carputer so it's a non-issue but just curious.

p.s. I'm SO not worried about cold-start problems. It's going to be in the 70's here for christmas.

 

[TurfBurn]

oThat said, having a unit that can add/pull fuel based on air temperature is still better than a unit that cannot, even if it means going in tuning the map.

The Haltech can't do temperature correction??? Or did I misunderstand that statement?

 

[Super Matty P]

Intake air temp correction, yes. My haltech came with an auxillary IAT sensor.

 

[TurfBurn]

Does it do water temp correction as well or not? I'm just not following what he was saying unless it was intended. Because with those two factors and cold start enrichment you should be able to work it out and hold a tune that will run at any temp without re-tuning.

 

[Pretzellogic]

Update: it's not in the forties, and the car still wont start. When I first turned her over, she gave a cough, then nothing, save for a backfire out the tail.

I really don't want to pull the plugs, as it's a pain in the ass with the hiboost kit, but I suppose I don't have a choice. This car has to be running in two days.

I don't understand. If it's the cold that did it, won't the warm remove said cause?

 

[bonesmp5]

Damn -- theres no way i could even go 1/2 a day with out my car --- i feel for you man --- im glad i dont have a kit

 

[Pretzellogic]

Damn -- theres no way i could even go 1/2 a day with out my car --- i feel for you man --- im glad i dont have a kit

I carpool, and my friend has been nice enough to cart me to work and back.

If I didn't, I'd be ******.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Ken, my laptop is Windows ME and I'm runnign the HalWinX...am I going to have any problems that you know of? I'll be sure to install XP on my carputer so it's a non-issue but just curious.

p.s. I'm SO not worried about cold-start problems. It's going to be in the 70's here for christmas.

HalWinX only runs stable on Windows XP

Does it do water temp correction as well or not? I'm just not following what he was saying unless it was intended. Because with those two factors and cold start enrichment you should be able to work it out and hold a tune that will run at any temp without re-tuning.

The Haltech can't do temperature correction??? Or did I misunderstand that statement?

yes it can most certainly do temperature corrections. coolant temperature and air temperature and fuel temperature. don't ask me how to tune the last one as I have no idea

Update: it's not in the forties, and the car still wont start. When I first turned her over, she gave a cough, then nothing, save for a backfire out the tail.

I really don't want to pull the plugs, as it's a pain in the ass with the hiboost kit, but I suppose I don't have a choice. This car has to be running in two days.

I don't understand. If it's the cold that did it, won't the warm remove said cause?

i am guessing the engine flooded thanks to juan's 'overly generous' air temp correction. try cranking it with both the gas AND clutch fully depressed. the gas pedal being held down will open the throttle body, get some air in there and work the excess fuel out. and no it will not flood the car further as it is fuel injected not carbureted.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

The most powerful cars on this forum run the MPI Tuner with extra injectors. They are also the fastest on boost only.

Juan's protege5 dynos at 300whp using a Haltech E6X and runs 11s, Azian6er's car also uses an E6X and Kooldino's car (which ran low 13's) runs the MPI but doesn't have it wired up or programmed how you intended it at all. Protege Garage had a customer overseas that used a Haltech as well and ran 12s. I don't know if any of the mpi cars dynoed at 300+ whp but it seems like you are implying that the most powerful cars use only the MPI tuner which is simply not the case.

 

[MPNick]

Juan's protege5 dynos at 300whp using a Haltech E6X and runs 11s, Azian6er's car also uses an E6X and Kooldino's car (which ran low 13's) runs the MPI but doesn't have it wired up or programmed how you intended it at all. Protege Garage had a customer overseas that used a Haltech as well and ran 12s. I don't know if any of the mpi cars dynoed at 300+ whp but it seems like you are implying that the most powerful cars use only the MPI tuner which is simply not the case.

Deans car dynoed at 328whp @ 15psi and we post not just the dyno sheets but the files also. We also did this at the MPI dyno day so everyone could see it. Johns dynoed at 296whp @ 17psi and also post his dyno sheet.

No Protege on this forum has run 11s yet. John ran high 12s on boost only. Juan ran a 12.5s on spray. To date even after many people asking many times Juan has never posted a dyno sheet that proves the 300whp claim.

Yes the most powerful cars on this forum run the MPI Tuner.