Head Work and Custom Cams

[MPNick]

[off topic]
the MPI Tuner does what it does...

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again here, if it works that is great for you. All I am asking is how does get around the ECU when you do not clamp the voltage to the O2 sensor? Closed loop on boost situations will go lean in that situation without some sort of voltage clamp on the O2 sensor. THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!

It is also something you refuse to talk about. Which leads me to believe that you don't know what it does.

On top of that, it leaves me to guess about what it does and all I can come up with is that the MPI Tuner is a glorified extra injector controller that blocks the CEL signal from the ECU and then resets the ECU everytime you get a CEL because you piss off the ECU by dumping in so much fuel after it has already pulled the 30% of fuel it can.

And that of course brings us to the open loop switch if you are at partial throttle on boost and then go into open loop for some reason. What happens? The ECU switches to a fixed table, and since your MPI Tuner relies on the O2 sensor, it can't keep up with that switch and might drown the motor in fuel.

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twilightprotege -

When you use the MPI Tuner/MAF you can use our fuel tuning table to add fuel anywhere you need it. You add fuel based on three things. TPS, RPM and boost load. If you find you need to add or remove fuel you just change the numbers. Bigger numbers give you more fuel, smaller number take fuel away.

If you do not have our MAF then you can control the fuel curve with our O2 tuning table. You dial in the air fuel ratio that you are looking for and then you adjust how much control you want to give the O2 at any given point.

We sample the stock ECM at up to 12 times per second. We then take some inputs and some outputs and condition them. We have been able to take the condition signal and place them on tuning table that breaks down what is being done. Tuning in closed loop has not been a problem for us. After you drive around a few times you see you can what the O2 is doing. So you start to tune fuel. Drive some more and tune some more. It will take you a few times if that but then you will have the handle on it. It has not been a problem at all.


I do not what to take up to much time on this thread. I will start a thread later that will go point by point on how we can do what we do.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick

 

[70]

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I do not what to take up to much time on this thread. I will start a thread later that will go point by point on how we can do what we do.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick

Then I will keep this in mind when you start that thread, as I have more questions regarding what you have just posted.

I don't want to take out this thread when most of this has been attempted to be discussed in another thread.

 

[MPNick]

Who?? Who is running your flashed programs?

By saying this, you are implying that you have "cracked" the programming language used on the Mazda Protege ECU.

Have you?

It doesn't matter what the box is, it's the programming inside that is different. That has been covered as well. It is the EEC-V outside, but the inside is supposedly different.

Or, have you figured out Ford's programming and are putting flashed Ford programs in to run the Protege?

I said we are a few weeks away from flashing. I never said anyone is running them yet. The programming is not Mazda, I have been telling you this for weeks now. It is a Ford progam for a Mazda. People telling that it is not a Ford? Based on what? I have point this out also, you need to make sure of the facts. We will be able to change things in the Protege ECU, timing, fuel, idle speed, fan temp, and many other things. Do not worry, I will let you know when we are done.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[70]

I said we are a few weeks away from flashing. I never said anyone is running them yet. The programming is not Mazda, I have been telling you this for weeks now. It is a Ford progam for a Mazda. People telling that it is not a Ford? Based on what? I have point this out also, you need to make sure of the facts. We will be able to change things in the Protege ECU, timing, fuel, idle speed, fan temp, and many other things. Do not worry, I will let you know when we are done.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick

I understood this:

We have total control of the fuel and spark curve. We can add fuel anywhere we need to and we can also advance or retard timing anywhere, as much or as little as you need. We have them running on turbo Mazdas right now, all of the people running them love them.

...to mean that you already have cars running your flashed program.


I guess we'll see when you are done...

 

[MPNick]

I understood this:


...to mean that you already have cars running your flashed program.


I guess we'll see when you are done...

No I do not have anyone running my flash programs.

It is with my MPI Tuner that we have total timing control. You can add or remove timing up to 18 degrees as you need.

Thanks again

Later...........Nick

 

[70]

No I do not have anyone running my flash programs.

It is with my MPI Tuner that we have total timing control. You can add or remove timing up to 18 degrees as you need.

Thanks again

Later...........Nick

Ok, thanks for the clarification on the flashing thing...

 

[Bigg Tim]

YOU KNOW WHAT LET ME EDIT THAT
You can keep up that BS all you want. You want a war you got it bud.
Get an authorized vending permit here and then we will see
I have had enough of your lies

Once again, where's your status?
Where is he saying anything negative about you, he never even mention you dick! Now I can see you are mental. YOU don't know how to tune, so why do you think you know it all? Why couldn't you get your's running if your so good? You NEVER used the MPI so shut the hell up!!!! You think you know how it works, but you really only know how you thought the old one worked. If you want to bash with your boyz, then I can bash too.

What about all the s*** talking you were doing to me about spool and the others? Something like my setup will RULE theirs? Oh, let me guess, you don't remember that? Seems like you will talk s*** about anyone who is a competitor? Only someone simple minded and with something to prove will down talk another vendor to make them look better.

 

[twilightprotege]

alright, enough flaming in this thread.

any more will be deleted

 

[akhilleus]

finally...

 

[perfworks]

Tim you are getting involved in business that doesnt concern you.
Stop making rediculous posts about things you simply do not understand. You are spreading lies like Mpnick is. Be a man. If you have a problem contact me and and work it out. Stop going off topic.
I have said it on other threads. There will be nomore negative posts made by me. If you want to discuss the topic i will do so with no issues.
We will see what the results of my research have brought to the table soon. That will speak on its own merit.
Regards Nick

 

[glyph]

this thread has been totally hijacked. Will the mods please step up and clean this thread up? just asking for a little respect for twilight protege and his work. There are many of us watching this thread for ideas on how to work our engines in the future. This s*** is ridiculous. Please pardon my language, but it fits.

 

[twilightprotege]

thanks glyph. i've pm'd kooldino to take a look at it

 

[Installshield 2]

but the flaming somewhat kept the thread alive...The most information pertaining to this thread has already been shared...When new results are released by Andy he will probably simply create a new thread, which would make more sense...

Any crap can be removed, but the information still shared was excellent and meaningful in relation to the thread title...Again the information was shared pre-flamewar

 

[twilightprotege]

well boys and girls, my mate has finally scanned my dyno graph....but is yet to email it to me. hopefully that'll be soon so as soon as i get it i'll post here

 

[twilightprotege]

as promised...

explaination about the dyno graph.

ignore the flatish one. apparently it's the tractive effort or something like that. problem is the Lb reading on the right...i dont get it. esp considering torque and hp are supposed to be equal at 5252rpm or something close to that....so anyway, just focus on the power curve

as you will see. power below where the VICS kicks in has dropped, above that it has increased.

when i can get the confirmation i will order and pay for the cam gears so i can more that peak to the left. shall be interesting that's for sure!

 

[glyph]

excellent! are they making you pay for all the dynos?

 

[flat_black]

Wow, damn... That's some crazy dynoage. =) Looks like the top end is a lot beefier!

 

[akhilleus]

Wow your low end really suffered in the second dyno. I would like to see how the cam gears go . This is a perfect example of when they should be used...since u will be able to dial back into the low end. Most people have used them to increase their duration which ultimately did very little...here u can adjust the duration lower to reduce overlap and increase low end. i think....
later

 

[twilightprotege]

the dyno run costs me $55aud (about $40usd) for a one off, or $25aud ($18usd) on a dyno day.

yes the cam gears should give a very interesting result...

 

[Kooldino]

Ugh, this thread would take forever for me to clean up. I'll let the OT posts that are in the past 11 pages stay, but any further OT posts WILL BE DELETED.