Got arrested today.

[Foolish]

I'd be tempted to sue, but I'd definately press charges.

They assaulted you, the one guy with the baton, the others with the pepper spray.

Sueing is for revenge, but pressing charges is justice. It will also teach them a lesson, and follow them for the rest of thier lives ensuring that these assholes don't get another "authority" job, which would be best for everyone.

With the teenage girl "shoplifters", were the guards going for the strip-search, maybe?

Anyway, you were totally right to beat-down the first guy. Going after the other two, well, that might have gotten you into trouble.

Edit: PLAIN CLOTHES? Are you kidding? Dude's lucky you didn't kill him. Dumbass! (him, not you)

 

[GrandBelialKey]

lol, dont shoplift from safeway on the westside or you'll get mauled by what looks like the ****** wu tang clan.... heh, I guess safeway thinks black dudes in hoodies and doo rags are intimidating and make good "muscle"

 

[mopiko]

Please introduce yourself to me if we ever going to meet, cause I don't want to get your mad.... ever...

 

[GrandBelialKey]

Sue the security company. You were not convicted or ticketed for doing anything wrong. Why let them off the hook?

sorry to flame, but serious....
why let them off the hook ?? the dude attacked you with a baton? the dude was going to hurt you.... and then you got sprayed with pepper spray ?where do you draw the line ? call any lawyer and they'll tell you have a strong serious case... they'll do all the work for you and all you'd have to do is show up.... and yes, the mall and the security "outfit" ARE responsible...

either way I think everybody concerned is very lucky.... Peaxe.

 

[Mr. Win]

pressing charges would be a good idea... this way they cant reverse s*** on to you. Cover your ass you dont need to sue if you dont want.

 

[apocman]

WE have been talking about this all day at work...

Ok we are managers and executives for our comapnies security divisions , some of us are retired Secret Service others have been executive protection for oil companies worldwide for 20+ years,

they said these guys are predators and should be put in prison....

They give good security professionals bad names and can end up doing great harm to innocent people....

You have a duty to prosecute these scumbags, next time they could kill a young girl or something of the like....

Can you imagine what all they got away with for how long, what happened to those little girls who got in trouble????? don't stand for it

 

[65racecoupe]

I wasn't taking the guards side, I am just saying that it is stupid to hit someone in the neck head with a baton. Contrary to what you think, you could have killed him if you hit a couple inches higher, and self defense as an excuse would not have kept you out of jail.

Kind of like if you disarm an armed robber and THEN shoot him with his own gun. You could be charged with murder.

 

[ChopstickHero]

hiring a lawyer to sue = costs money
pressing charges = free

those guys need to learn a lesson. let them learn it the hard way. so press charges.

 

[ChopstickHero]

Kind of like if you disarm an armed robber and THEN shoot him with his own gun. You could be charged with murder.

not in Texas. lol

 

[65racecoupe]

not in Texas. lol

Good. It might be that way here in AZ.

 

[Mr. Win]

same with FL, lol

not in Texas. lol

 

[crispixoo7]

let me spell this out for you.


you know you didnt do anything.



end of story. you should have just gone with him, and let everything fall into place when they found out it wasn't you.

you've resultantly caused yourself more trouble than this whole ordeal was worth.

(werd)

i would have had a ******* field day with them...

security: "please come with me"
me: "WTF for?"
security: "blah blah blah...stole this...blah blah blah...come with me"
me: "okay ******....and when we're done, i want an opology and for you to get on your knees and let me slap you with my c**k"...
security: "u gettin' sassy?"
me: "no why? does it seem like it?"

and then when we watch the video and they see it wasn't me i would stand up and unzip my pants....priceless!

 

[DrooandhisES]

sorry man, but you're so wrong its not even funny. I worked in loss prevention for over a year for a major retail company.

#1)ummm to be considered shoplifting they HAVE TO leave the store. just concealing is not grounds for arrest. they must conceal the merchandise and leave the store.
#2)Certain LP agents are qualified to detain for a time of up to 3 hours. I carried handcuffs.
#3)not only are you allowed to stop someone you're trained how to do it properly. "not allowed to use physical force"??? yeah thats why you're trained on non-lethal takedowns.


if you dont agree call them up. any major retail establishment.

ok, people that have done loss prevention and or some type of security know that once the person leaves the store you can not do anything. Once the person leaves the store all you can do is ask them to return. By law you cant even stop the person from leaving. Your job at this time is to be able to ID the person to the police. The reason they ask you to stay in the store or return to the store is because its easier for them to present you directly to the police. At no time can you use physical force to detain someone. A security guard is nothing more than a citizen officer. Meaning, that they have the same rights as anyone else in the store. It is not their jobs to uphold the law. If a person fears that life is risk or bodily harm then they can do whatever possible to defend their life or the life of others. As for striking the guard with the stick you have to look at it like this. Level of force: Who elevated the level of force? The guard elevated the level of force by removing the stick and trying to use it. In everyway the guard elevated the use of force. He went from verbal, to non voilent, and then to non violent with the use of the stick. Again with the guard being nothing more than a civilian, it would be no different than someone getting a baseball bat out of their car and trying to beat you up with it. You have at all times the right to protect/defend yourself with equal or lesser level of force. Its when you exceed the level of force you or someone else you are trying to protect that it becomes a problem. Levels of force in the police world are defined as verbal, non leathal, and leathal force. Police are still held to the same standard of force protection as everyone else. The only difference is that they have more laws to protect them. But none of those apply to this sutiation as the guard has no more rights than you do at any given time.

 

[joka1]

all i have to say is damn.........nice way to whoop his ass..... i totally agree with what u did and would have done the same.
i would press charges 4 sure though because they were probally at a diffrent store the next day trying to get another security job.
i dont know if i would sue, i probally would but nomatter what u legally got to woop his ass so that should be worth somthing!

 

[Titanium]

sorry man, but you're so wrong its not even funny. I worked in loss prevention for over a year for a major retail company.

#1)ummm to be considered shoplifting they HAVE TO leave the store. just concealing is not grounds for arrest. they must conceal the merchandise and leave the store.
#2)Certain LP agents are qualified to detain for a time of up to 3 hours. I carried handcuffs.
#3)not only are you allowed to stop someone you're trained how to do it properly. "not allowed to use physical force"??? yeah thats why you're trained on non-lethal takedowns.


if you dont agree call them up. any major retail establishment.

I two have work LP in the past for a major chain store. I have also worked with many police dept's in the this area. It is true that its only grounds for arrest if the person leaves the store. The main idea of LP that was put to us was to prevent people leaving the store without paying for something. This is why we wore plan cloths and walked the store as if we were shopping. The supervisor spent most of the time in the security room watching camera's and would direct us via cell phone to someone that seemed to be up to something. The companies policy was that if the person had left the store you could ask them to return to the store but at no time could you bring them back to the store by force. As soon as the person left the store with something it was now something the police would have to take care of. In training to the employees we would stress that no one at anytime could physical stop someone from leaving the store. Basically, the store didnt want to be responsible for your actions. The police are trained and cerified to uphold the law. Maybe its different in your state as far as how you can persue someone that has shoplifted. But here in Va you as a secuirty guard have no more right to uphold the law than the average person on the street. You are there to prevent shoplifting and if it does take place to document it for a report for the police and the store. In one of our malls, the security carry guns and handcuffs. They have received training in handgun, take downs, and what not but they can not activily uphold the law. They have the same rights to use the weapon and detain someone as everyone else does. They are there more of a show of force. Its like being a car theif and looking thru a lot of cars. The theif will pick the easiest cars to break into before thinking of messing with the others. At the mall, they still have at least one local police officer on duty at the mall.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

go do it again..rent a cops need to be put in their place..hit em in the head, or where it really hurts, the wallet...

 

[65racecoupe]

go do it again..rent a cops need to be put in their place..hit em in the head, or where it really hurts, the wallet...

What do you do for a living? I just want to generalize what you do.

You sound kind of ignorant in that statement. Some people have to take the jobs they get, and they are not all assholes. Some of them help people and do their jobs right.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

for a living i have my own business. I sell Construction equipment. I dont mean to sound ignorant. But as far as i have noticed, the rent a cops in malls around me and stuff, act like assholes and they profile like a b****. Its just not right. And i dont appreciate them in the least bit.