Give this guy a medal.

[NCZ13]

I'm not "messed up" Mr. Moderator

I know what he did was illegal, but come on dragging the flag down and taking it on private property. He even left the mexican flag on the ground he might as well spit on it.

I just feel that what he did was the wrong way to handle that situation....We don't need stupid Provado to solve a problem all the time.

bravado

i dont understand why you feel a need to defend these people. they come to this country, most illegaly, some of those ppl dont bother to learn basic english. i know i live in southern california, and i have ppl that come into my work, and speak spanish to me, because they dont konw the language. even if i speak english, i get the nod and the repition of what they said.

if i go to another country like japan, im expected to assimilate to their culture and language, not the other way around.

 

[daonly1around]

Yawn. Who wants a beer? (mj)

you buying?? (beer)(friday) (drinks)

 

[MiaTurbo]

Did anyone even tell the business it was illegal? Did anyone even give them a chance to correct it? Did they even understand what had happened? Was it a protest of some sort?

I think the vet's reaction was overkill. Seemed more like an ass, than patriotic.

 

[Donas64]

So I guess other countries can't express themselves and their culture, and where they come from in America.....Great country we have here where assholes can come on your property and disrespect your flag, yet get upset when their flag is hung barely an inch lower....


People take Blind Patriotism too far I would have laughed if those mexicans jumped him..and beat that crazy old man down. America FTW huh..I say FTL....hypocisy at it's finest

You're kidding right?

Crazy old man?

The man (if he's not lying) was a veteran and as an immigrant to this great nation, I SALUTE HIM!

Like he said, if you want to conquer the USA then go ahead and freakin declare war! Don't Fly your countrys flag over the flag of the nation thats letting you prosper.

I'm a Nigerian but I guarantee you that you will only ever see an American flag flying in front of my home. I have a nigerian flag on my cabinet at work but Nigeria didn't give me a chance to prosper, My parents blood and sweat and hard work in getting me to this country did.

I would have called the cops since its illegal and I would not have taken the law into my own hands, but since he's a vet, I can see his frustration.

I hope political correctness won't be the downfall of this great nation.

 

[Donas64]

Did anyone even tell the business it was illegal? Did anyone even give them a chance to correct it? Did they even understand what had happened? Was it a protest of some sort?

I think the vet's reaction was overkill. Seemed more like an ass, than patriotic.

People know sneaking across the Border is illegal, that doesn't seem to stop them.

Besides, when you're in a foreign land (ESPECIALLY AS A BUSINESS OWNER), its your responsibility to know what the rules and regulations are.

 

[Donas64]

The guy didn't stomp on the Mexican flag, he didn't threaten them with the knife, he didn't burn the mexican flag to take it away,he just took the US flag and left. Once again, not what I would have done but with all the tension surrounding immigration and everything else going on, the business owner should have known better.

 

[MiaTurbo]

1: What does sneaking accross the border have to do with this? Are they illegal? Let's keep the discussion to the situation at hand.
2: Assuming they were up to date on business practices/laws, how are they supose to know that flying another flag above the US flag is illegal? It's never been on any tax forms I've seen...
3: And yes, the vet did intice them to 'come fight me for it'.

So I'll ask again, did they know and comprehend that what they were doing was illegal?.. Knowing the law, and having an understanding of it are 2 different things.

 

[Donas64]

nice beard



no they can. legally you just can't put another country's flag above the US flag in this country. i dunno how to explain the patriotism. There was no barely about it. that mexican flag was ontop of the US one. Try the exact opposite in Mexico. I'm sure you'll get the exact same outcome. But you'd have your ass stuck in a mexican prison. unless your bribed them.

bingo! Ask people who try to sneak into Mexico from its southern border how they get treated.

Go fly a US flag over a mexican one or a US flag period in Mexico and see what happens. Ameria is always expected to tolerate others, meanwhile, others are free to besmirch this country without fear of retailation.

Like in NY where radical islamists have "anti-american" rallys and no one bothers them. Why? Because its legal and they are excercising their right.

watch from 6:00 of this clip and tell me we're not a tolerant nation. Try what these men did IN NEW YORK for crying out loud in Iran and see what happens. American and even more so Great Britain are tolerant almost to a fault.

Disclaimer: I am not comparing Mexican immigrants with Terrorists. They are not. I'm not also attempting to turn this into a religous thread. Please feel free to close the vid after the street protest bit. I know that many on here hate Fox News. Thats all well and good but they didn't produce this documentary and its available in its full form on youtube. I won't even post a link because I'm not trying to start anything. Just relating it to the part about the US being a tolerant nation. PLEASE TURN OFF THE VIDEO AFTER THE STREET PROTEST That starts at 6:00!!!!

For those of you saying the USA is not tolerant etc., watch from 6:00 of this clip and tell me why no one bumm rushed these guys. Its because this is a free nation and technically, nothing they did was illegal.

Flying the Mexican flag above the US one is however, illegal.

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Edit: Posted the wrong time. Its at the 5:55 mark in the vid. Sorry.

 

[Killer]

I hope political correctness won't be the downfall of this great nation.

(werd) X 99999314788771459

 

[Killer]

1: What does sneaking accross the border have to do with this? Are they illegal? Let's keep the discussion to the situation at hand.
2: Assuming they were up to date on business practices/laws, how are they supose to know that flying another flag above the US flag is illegal? It's never been on any tax forms I've seen...
3: And yes, the vet did intice them to 'come fight me for it'.

So I'll ask again, did they know and comprehend that what they were doing was illegal?.. Knowing the law, and having an understanding of it are 2 different things.

1. Nothing really..point taken.
2. Most ANYONE in ANY country would not permit such a thing. I learned this law in High School. Maybe you were absent that day.
3. I would have too. But I am just a AMERICAN CITIZEN with a s*** ton of "Bravado" (usa)

 

[Donas64]

1: What does sneaking accross the border have to do with this? Are they illegal? Let's keep the discussion to the situation at hand.
2: Assuming they were up to date on business practices/laws, how are they supose to know that flying another flag above the US flag is illegal? It's never been on any tax forms I've seen...
3: And yes, the vet did intice them to 'come fight me for it'.

So I'll ask again, did they know and comprehend that what they were doing was illegal?.. Knowing the law, and having an understanding of it are 2 different things.

Are you an immigrant? Why do you insist on making excuses for them.


1. How do I know they are illegal? How do you know they aren't? Really doesn't matter

2. I'm not a citizen and I know its illegal. I didn't come to the US till I was 14. Maybe they should have asked someone. Besides what are the chances that nobody told them something? Asking or calling their city council to find out whould have taken a few minutes. I can call right now and find out about ANY ordinance in the town I live in. Just takes some effort on my part.

3. He was daring them to take the flag away from him but he didn't wave the knife at them. He didn't go after them. He clearly stated his name and the reason he was removing the flag. He did not use any racial slurs. Sure his behavior was extreme (once again if he's a vet, thats understandable) but apart from cutting the flag and taking it down, he was quite non-confrontational.

 

[Killer]

The guy didn't stomp on the Mexican flag, he didn't threaten them with the knife, he didn't burn the mexican flag to take it away,he just took the US flag and left. Once again, not what I would have done but with all the tension surrounding immigration and everything else going on, the business owner should have known better.

Bingo.

 

[Donas64]

I'm Mexican and saw nothing wrong with that. Whatever country you are living in, you must obey the laws. Simple.

You Sir get my respect! Sometimes its hard for us as immigrants to say that but thats life. It really is that simple.

 

[MiaTurbo]

Donas, when did you know that it was illegal? Before someone told you, you didn't know, right?.. when in daily life does the fact of flag position come up?

4: What does the action people take in other countries have to do with this situation? What they do in Iran, Singapore, New Zealand, or brazil doesn't have anything to do with this.

And yes, I'm an American. I'm not making excuses for them, I want to know if they knew it was illegal or not.

 

[fatti03msp]

not sure if this was posted but i think it would have been badass if he would have put the American flag back up, with the Mexican Flag off or below the American Flag. But if you are a veteran that would def. piss you off, expecially in vietnam since the soldiers got so much s*** for being over there and they were just doing the job. They cant control if they got to war or not.

 

[sanblaster]

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

 

[Donas64]

Donas, when did you know that it was illegal? Before someone told you, you didn't know, right?.. when in daily life does the fact of flag position come up?

4: What does the action people take in other countries have to do with this situation? What they do in Iran, Singapore, New Zealand, or brazil doesn't have anything to do with this.

And yes, I'm an American. I'm not making excuses for them, I want to know if they knew it was illegal or not.

Well why don't you call them and find out. Call the TV station. Do some research online.

Remember all those immigration protests where there were thousands of people waving Mexican flags in the streets? Thats not illegal, my point is it's a mindset. Be it reconquista or just national pride, are youtelling me those thousands of people just forgot their american flags at home?

The actions of that vet once again were a little extreme but understandable. And he didn't cross the line of using racing slurs or brandishing the knife against them.

But I will be VERY surprised it no one mentioned to those guys that what they were doing was illegal especially once the news crew showed up. wouldn't they ask the news crew : "Hey, why are you guys here?"

 

[Donas64]

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

You mean this stuff is available online on hundreds of websites? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!


All it takes is a little effort on your part.

Just like learning english. sidenote: I speak spanish and everytime I go to a mexican restaurant with my wife, I'm more than happy to indulge in spanish conversation with the waiter/waitress/manager. I just ask the favor be returned when they come to my place of work.

Also I learned how to speak spanish because I lived in cuba for 4 year and *shocker alert* I HAD TO DO IT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY!!!!

 

[sanblaster]

I mean it could have been worse for the store owner... He could have had only 5 seconds to comply with the ED-209 robot showing up telling him to take down the flag.

 

[SuperStretch18]

Donas, when did you know that it was illegal? Before someone told you, you didn't know, right?.. when in daily life does the fact of flag position come up?

4: What does the action people take in other countries have to do with this situation? What they do in Iran, Singapore, New Zealand, or brazil doesn't have anything to do with this.

And yes, I'm an American. I'm not making excuses for them, I want to know if they knew it was illegal or not.

+1

Honestly, anyone claiming that they know all of america's laws inside and out is either a lawyer or lying. I didn't know about the flag laws (I knew you weren't supposed to, but didn't know that it was written to law). Taking the law into your own hands is illegal too

Should it have been corrected? Absolutely. Is there a better way to address this? Absolutely.

I think it's funny though that if the owner had only hung the mexican flag, there would have been no issue. By trying to respect americans and fly the flag, he got into trouble!