FSDE 323 Swap

[Crazee D]

So the trannie internals are from an older 323 GTX?

 

[bpt323]

im interested in videos.

I fail to see why the FE3 head cannot hold high rpms? the valve train can be upgraded.

ross have you measured the fe3 ports??

 

[infini_GTR]

"The DOHC head is the real centerpiece of this motor. It's design is almost identical to the DOHC 'B' heads except for everthing being larger. The ports are much larger than 1.8 and the valves are also larger than the 1.8. The stock FE3 head flows 234 cfm intake and 194 cfm exhaust at 28 inches water (for comparison a 1.6 head is about 170'ish intake and a 1.8 head is about 210'ish intake). The factory redline is 7000 rpm with a 7300 fuel cutoff (same as the Miata)"

Taken from http://members.aol.com/solomiata/FE3.html

What i wanna know from the guys making 600+hp is : how the hell do u get traction ???? im not making near that yet but cant get the power to the ground

 

[igdrasil]

hehe

One at a time:

The FE3 head in stock form cannot handle over 7200rpms for long, just upgrade it and done.

The 600whp FSDE videos: Run1 , Run2

The FE3 powered MX3 vids: Dyno and track

 

[bpt323]

the tranny is the only weak point i believe!

 

[Crazee D]

"The DOHC head is the real centerpiece of this motor. It's design is almost identical to the DOHC 'B' heads except for everthing being larger. The ports are much larger than 1.8 and the valves are also larger than the 1.8. The stock FE3 head flows 234 cfm intake and 194 cfm exhaust at 28 inches water (for comparison a 1.6 head is about 170'ish intake and a 1.8 head is about 210'ish intake). The factory redline is 7000 rpm with a 7300 fuel cutoff (same as the Miata)"

Taken from http://members.aol.com/solomiata/FE3.html

What i wanna know from the guys making 600+hp is : how the hell do u get traction ???? im not making near that yet but cant get the power to the ground

Ah yes, I know that site well....

 

[JITB]

any update?

 

[igdrasil]

Slight changes.... (got a 2003 protege, sold the 323)

Although the swap goes-in like stock...no custom fabrication needed for the supports.

Hardest thing is like: installing a slave pump, hoses, new exhaust, etc.

 

[323]

Slight changes.... (got a 2003 protege, sold the 323)

Although the swap goes-in like stock...no custom fabrication needed for the supports.

Hardest thing is like: installing a slave pump, hoses, new exhaust, etc.

lol slight change eh?

 

[bpt323]

what mounts are needed again to drop this in??

 

[JITB]

yea us 1st gen folks need some guidance on the fs swap..

 

[xelderx]

I might be playing around with this swap in a few weeks. I've got a '94 Protege and FS-DE/tranny. I was going to rebuild the BP in the Protege, but if the swap is as easy as it looks...then a standalone on top of that...135-140whp shouldn't be too shabby in a 1st Gen.

 

[autoxes]

why not just build a bp-t? You'd have a boost ready package.

 

[xelderx]

why not just build a bp-t? You'd have a boost ready package.

I want to stay in SCCA Street Prepared class and the BP in the 1st Gen is already blown up. I could either spend $$$ to rebuild it and set it up for Street Prepared rules or just drop my already built to spec FS-DE in.

 

[JITB]

why not just build a bp-t? You'd have a boost ready package.

the bpt route, is a well traveled path. just exploring new options!

 

[igdrasil]

As I said before, the bp-t doesnt hold as good as the FSDE if you are looking for over 600whp.

 

[autoxes]

oh okay. I'm kind of a nOOb to mazda motors, so don't mind me!

 

[bpt323]

neither would be very reliable @ 600hp. the BP would toss headgaskets & the FS would probalby have bottom end issues. get a FE3 & be done with it