FS-DE Oil System

here are some photos of the regulator and braided lines for the system. i am running a setrab oil cooler, peterson washable oil filter and an "ebay special" spin on adapter. the adapter has been modified to allow better flow wth less area for hang up.
 

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here you see the bypassed new oil pump and the coated internals. tom records the specs BEFORE and AFTER coating to show how much closer to spec the pump is after treatment.

in my case before: rotor to tip = .006"
body clearance = .006"
side clearance = .002"

after coatings: rotor to tip = .004"
body clearance = .004"
side clearance = .001"
 

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hey tom, if you want, go ahead and pm me with some pricing on a msp motor'd pump system.. and tell me what i need to do to get it! thanks.
 
here are some photos of the regulator and braided lines for the system. i am running a setrab oil cooler, peterson washable oil filter and an "ebay special" spin on adapter. the adapter has been modified to allow better flow wth less area for hang up.


Signature Sound...Thanks for the photos!! (2thumbs)

How does the adapter plate look? I've never seen one from this company....
 
I'll add my self to that PM thing please, i'm highly interested price and what i need... Thanks

Here is a copy of the first post that reviews the system, prices and what you need to get.....

Any further questions please PM me!!

Thanks,
Tom

FS-DE Oil System
01-02-09 Update: So you will not be required to read through all the posts the following is a synopsis:
The pricing is as follows:
$100 for blueprint service on the oil pump
$130 for external bypass valves (Sorry everyone, the company that makes the PRV had a slight price increase for 2009 so the price went from $125 to $130....I held them to the wall as much as possible and split the increase! I am able to keep the oil pump service at the 2008 price for now....)

If purchasing together I will include modifying the oil pump to work with an external bypass valve! You should be able to source your own sandwich plates, hoses, and bung for the MBSP or pan.
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Originally Posted by MP3racer
The $100 covers:
1.receiving your pump
2.disassembling your pump
3.recording pre-coating specs
4.sending to Swain Tech
5.coating of parts at Swain Tech
6.receiving back from Swain Tech
7.recording post-coating specs
8.reassembly of your pump

Shipping cost back to you is determined by where you are located. You will receive with your pump a copy of the specs.
The current turn-around time is 3 weeks including the time at Swain Tech.

Oil pump part #:


Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceFed
I do beleive it is this FS01-14-100N

Warning:


Quote:
Originally Posted by MP3racer
Please be advised!!!!!

Do not send dirty, greasy oil pumps for coating!!! (notcool)

From this time on if a pump is received that requires cleaning prior to disassembly there will be an additional $50 charge!!

Please understand, the coating company would not even accept a dirty pump much less try to coat it! When it comes to engine assembly the cleaner the parts and the surroundings the better the chance for long engine life!!


Thanks Crazee D !!!!!

Well due to the number of requests I see that the first information session will be on what we have learned about the FS-DE oiling system.

For those who are unaware, I wrote an article covering part of this subject in the latest Mazdasport Magazine. Here is a draft.

See below

As you probably already have determined, the oiling system in the FS-DE is marginally sufficient for a street car and desperately insufficient for a race car. One of the main problems is that with sustained rpms the placement of the pressure relief valve in the oil pump causes significant cavitation and further loss of oil pressure. Another major problem is the small size of the oil pan and the subsequent high likelyhood for the pick-up to become "uncovered". Finally, the last major problem is that the rods take their oil supply from the main bearings through pick-ups in the crank.

We have come up with a SYSTEM to help try to DEAL with these problems. Some of these problems are inherent in the design of the motor and would take high dollars to solve. I also stress a system, because simply adding our improved oil pump may help to a point but we have found the SYSTEM has given us much improved engine life (read bearing life)!

Of course, the heart of the sytem is our improved oil pump. Along with it is our externally adjustable oil pressure bypass, a gated increased volume oil pan, an engine block oil filter relocation adapter, and an external oil filter mount. As you can see, with this system you can adjust your oil pressure to the range you need it externally. This will allow you to compensate for several factors including the type and grade of oil you are using and the bearing clearance you are running (to a point).

Here is a pic of the system as installed on our race car.

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Inside the box is the external oil pressure adjuster
 
I looked back a few pages but didnt find any info, what im wanting to know is has anyone done a "How to" on this so members of the forum can see exactly what needs to be done?
 
I looked back a few pages but didnt find any info, what im wanting to know is has anyone done a "How to" on this so members of the forum can see exactly what needs to be done?

OK, here goes for a quick "how-to"

The overall system needs:
1) Doc B Racing improved oil pump
2) External PRV from Doc B Racing
3) Oil Filter block adapter plate (sourced by individual)
4) Remote Oil Filter housing (sourced by individual)
5) -10 fitting on oil pan or block girdle for bypass return (easily done with a weld on bung to the pan or girdle)
6) Various -10 AN fiitings and lines

Let's start at the block with the adapter plate where the oil filter normally goes. The one on the Doc B Racing motor here is labelled "IN" and "OUT". You will need a -10 AN line from the "OUT" to the external PRV.

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Here is a different view of a Doc B Racing motor. It is hard to tell but there are actually three -10 AN lines on the motor. One of the lines pictured is attached to the "OUT" from the previous photo that will be going to the external PRV (on the lower right side).

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Here is a photo of our engine bay without the motor for better photo access to the external PRV and remote oil filter. The previous mentioned -10 AN line will attach to the lower right fitting on the external PRV. Also, a -10 AN line should go from the lower left side of the external PRV to the "IN" on the remote filter housing. (On the Doc B Racing Mazdaspeed Protege we have a cooler mounted between the external PRV and the filter so the line in the photo from the lower left of the external PRV is going to the cooler. If you will be doing similar, a -10 AN line would run back from the oil cooler to the remote oil filter housing "IN" as previously mentioned.) From the "OUT" (red cap) on the remote filter housing a -10 AN line runs back to the block adapter marked "IN".

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A -10 AN bypass line is needed from the upper right fitting on the external PRV to either the oil pan or the block girdle. A "bung" can be welded onto a stock pan for this purpose. Just make sure it is as high as possible to prevent backflow in the line. A baffle on the inside of the pan over the welded bung is a good idea if you are going to be doing any "high g" turns. If you weld the bung into the block girdle this is not an issue since the oil level does not reach this point.

Here is a photo of a Doc B Racing oil pan with a bung welded on and a photo of the inside of the pan to show he baffle.

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Here is a photo of a -10 AN line going to the bung. It is actually the return line for the turbo but it is basically the same thing just on the other side of the pan (you get the idea...).

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Here is a closer view of the external PRV used in the Doc B Racing Mazdaspeed Protege. It is an earlier model of the current ones we have avialable but basically the same. The knob at the top is for adjusting the oil pressure. It should be dialed in once the system is installed on your particular vehicle. We have about 25-30 psi of oil pressure at 1100 rpm (race motor idle) and 70-80 psi at 6800 rpm (redline). You can set it at whatever you feel is appropriate.

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Any questions and/or comments fire away.

A block adapter and remote filter housing are available on ebay that a few forum members have used. I have NO connection with this company and have not physically seen any of their products. However, the photos look similar to the ones we have used. Others are available, just make sure to use parts that have good open flow to prevent restrictions.
 
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If you look at Post #173 on page 12 of this thread Packerfan has some photos of this same system on his car. I believe the remote filter housing is the one available on ebay.

Also, Signature Sound has some photos of his system on the previous page that includes photos of the block adapter and remote filter housing.
 
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Is that A Z I see in the background, covered in boxes? Looks like it's race prepped with a cage and the whole works. 280z maybe?
 
Is that A Z I see in the background, covered in boxes? Looks like it's race prepped with a cage and the whole works. 280z maybe?


Good eye!! Yeah, it is our Vintage racing 240Z. Check out the "Doc B Racing history" thread in this forum for some other photos and history on the car....(drive2)
 
Hey mat , I guess after reading couple of times I get the idea but instead you can write/draw something and name what goes where , easier to understand then showing pictures bc ppl would get confused.
 
Hey mat , I guess after reading couple of times I get the idea but instead you can write/draw something and name what goes where , easier to understand then showing pictures bc ppl would get confused.

Let me know where you think it is confusing and I will try to explain further. I'm not sure if I can make it any simpler with drawings...
 
It will just be best to make a small drawing where everyone will understand the routing of oil lines etc. thats all.
 
I thought the pictures were helpful (shrug) I am almost certainly going to do this with my next block and I plan on tapping the crank support for both oil fittings.
 
I'm guessing you wanting/needing a drawing is the engineer in you coming out?? (poke)


Yup, graphs/draws help and make it easier to understand no matter where you are or what you do.

But really it will make it easier for others not to ask the same question over and over how this is run or is put together, just show the drawing and thats all.
 

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