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So I rear ended someone on Christmas eve. Just heard from the insurance company and the cost to repair the damage exceeds the value of the car, so they want to total it. I do have the option to buy it back and fix it myself. My only question is how much of a pain in the ass is it going to be to find the parts? I'm going to need a new hood and everything from the cross member above the radiator forward. All the mounting brackets for the headlights are bent and they said the foam inside the bumper is f'd up. By the time I pay the deductible and "salvage cost" to the insurance company I may have $2000. Is it even possible to fix it for that?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
That's what I'm afraid of. I'm not sure if every little bracket and connector is going to have to be replaced. And it might nickel and dime me. I do have some pictures on my phone. I'll try to upload later.
 
I just saw new radiator core support for $130 somewhere and if you can score from partout threads then it won't kill you on all the small stuff. Fasteners and clips shouldn't be too bad to get but brackets could be expensive hassle other than junkyards or FS threads.
 
Most major insurance companies use JD Power for price comparisons to determine the value of your vehicle and they're legally allowed to use sales from 90 days prior to the accident. Personally, I would find out what they consider the value of your vehicle to be first before even hinting your interested in buying it back. If your airbags didn't deploy, the sensors are fine and the transmission and engine sustained no damage, I would recommend you take it to a body shop and have them give you an estimate (at least for labor) and then see what it would cost you to obtain the parts on your own. If you can prove the car is worth more than it needs in repairs (by at least 30%) you may be able to avoid having the car totaled or being issued a salvage title. Good luck.
 
Off the top of my head a pair of headlights (aluminum bezel), primered front bumper cover, fog lights, primered hood, radiator and radiator support off ebay before taxes was about $900 shipped.
 
How handy are you? Whole front clip and related from a salvage yard should run about $500. Figure another $500 for paint and materials. If you can do it all yourself you'll still have money leftover AND you'll keep your car. If the rest of the car is beat or has high miles I would just let it go.
 
I'm handy enough. I would just need to get all the parts and done in a month before my insurance covered rental is up.
What's this about a salvage title? I'm not familiar with it.
I think the adjuster said the bumper cover support and absorber was damaged as well.
Anyway, here's some pics of the damage. Thanks for all your help. Any more advice is always welcome.
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I don't see anything that couldn't be repaired fairly easy in those pics. Just some parts to get and put on.
 
If an insurance company declares a vehicle a total loss (meaning it's worth more than a certain percentage of the value to repair) it is branded with a salvage title in some states, Maryland being one of those states to my knowledge. If you were to buy the vehicle back as salvage, you would need to repair it and have it inspected with the appropriate state agency. In my state you would not be able to obtain full insurance coverage on a salvage titled vehicle, this may be the same in Maryland and is something you should investigate. If you are able to negotiate the value vs repair cost under the percentage they declare the vehicle a total loss you may be able to avoid a salvage title all together. I'm assuming you're going through your own insurance since you are the at-fault party, and if that is the case, you could always just pay for the repairs out of pocket and not use your insurance at all.

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/about-mva/info/58000ASE/58000-03T.htm
 
I wouldn't salvage that.

These cars are littered on the road, and you can just get all those parts at the scrap yard in good condition, probably your colour too so you can skip the painting.
 
As far as insurance coverage in future if car repaired....Why would you try to get full coverage anyway? Car is over 10 yrs old, how many states do full coverage on cars that old? And how unreasonbly high would it be if they did? Fix it, take whatever title you can & just do liability if you keep it and wanna drive it. How much less would a salvage title cause the value to be on these cars? They don't have much value as it is with the age. I know I will not be stripping mine back to stock to take poor trade in value then sell all of my parts to get more than I did for the car...too much work. I will just keep driving mine and forge bottom end if it gets to needing it and go more.
 
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For a kid I can understand full coverage is pointless, but for an adult with a good driving record there's really no difference in cost, especially if you have it bundled with your homeowners insurance. As for a salvage title, they're just more difficult to sell and if they do sell, depending vehicle, they sell for significantly less than one with a clean title. My recently acquired P5 was just totaled and if it had been a salvage title I wouldn't have gotten enough to even buy another 10 year old car.

If I was the OP and I could afford a $1000 deductible, I'd find a way to just pay for the repairs out of pocket and not use my insurance if the car is worth fixing.
 
I know about being older and bundled insurance because I'm living it but after car got 10yrs old the car insurance was gonna be ridiculously high to keep full coverage. It has been paid off for quite awhile and just don't wanna pay more than I can sell the car for just for full coverage for a yr. The car is garaged and in great shape and driving record is clear. Just didn't make sense any more to continue with full coverage so I dropped it to liability/uninsured motorist/theft stuff and it saved a lot of money. No other reason than the car was more than 10 yrs old. Totally agree with the last statement in your post...............
 
go to a junkyard find a silver one (i know these cars are hard to find) but the bumper hood and grill i believe are all the same on sedans and wagons on these cars so find any silver one and get the parts thats easily fixable
 
Bumper and grille are unique to the P5 but that is easily fixable. You can try to straighten the core support to cut corners if you are able to mount the hood latch and headlights properly. It would not take much money or work to patch the car back together. For a few hundred more you could repair it properly but if it's a salvage title it may not be worth it to fix it 100%.
 
I know about being older and bundled insurance because I'm living it but after car got 10yrs old the car insurance was gonna be ridiculously high to keep full coverage. It has been paid off for quite awhile and just don't wanna pay more than I can sell the car for just for full coverage for a yr. The car is garaged and in great shape and driving record is clear. Just didn't make sense any more to continue with full coverage so I dropped it to liability/uninsured motorist/theft stuff and it saved a lot of money. No other reason than the car was more than 10 yrs old. Totally agree with the last statement in your post...............

Only argument I have with this is if you have a long commute. If so, then I'd think it's in your better interest to keep collision just-in-case something happens on the highway during that *insert mileage* commute.

Bumper and grille are unique to the P5 but that is easily fixable. You can try to straighten the core support to cut corners if you are able to mount the hood latch and headlights properly. It would not take much money or work to patch the car back together. For a few hundred more you could repair it properly but if it's a salvage title it may not be worth it to fix it 100%.

You can use a 2001 and up bumper from the sedan or MSP. Only difference is they do not have the bumper markers like the P5 bumper. Pretty sure the grills are interchangeable.
 
If you are not dependent upon one vehicle for transportation and you're willing to risk losing a vehicle in an accident, then whatever your states required minimum insurance coverage should be sufficient, so long as no one is injured. Frankly, the cost of filing in small claims (if not at-fault), sending certified letters, a process server and printer ink is about the cost of my $250 deductible. Time is money to some of us and paying an extra $3-4/month for all my vehicles to have full coverage is worth it. I have already sued someone over damage caused to a vehicle I wasn't carrying full coverage on in the past because it was older, if I had full coverage when that incident occurred I would have saved myself a lot of time and energy. With drivers like the OP and the one who hit me a few weeks ago out on the road in the masses having full coverage is pretty much a necessity.
 
If you are not dependent upon one vehicle for transportation and you're willing to risk losing a vehicle in an accident, then whatever your states required minimum insurance coverage should be sufficient, so long as no one is injured.

That is I think a misleading statement. All of the various bits of car insurance fall into one of two categories: what you would have to pay to others for damage you did to them, and what the insurance company will pay you for losses suffered from damages caused by "others" (in quotes because the cause of the damage may not be another driver, for instance, if a boulder hits your car.) The state minimum usually pertains to the former. (I am not aware of a state that requires the latter form of coverage, but some might.) The amount of the former type of insurance which you need to buy has a lower bound set by the state, and an upper bound set by your net worth. That is, you cannot predict what sort of awful carnage you might accidentally cause, and you are insuring your assets so that if the worst happens it does not wipe you out financially. This isn't always done solely with car insurance, it is common to have an umbrella policy on top of that, which would also cover your homeowner's insurance.

So, back to the "I drive an old car" situation. Once the car is only worth a few thousand dollars, and you have enough to repair available in your savings, and free for this task if need be, it doesn't make sense to buy the latter form of coverage. The former form of coverage is the same - that is independent of the sort of car you are driving. If you do make a claim the insurance company is likely to jack up your overall rate, including on the other parts of your coverage, so it can easily cost you more in a few years of inflated payments than they paid out in repairs. Also, as the previous poster indicated, for a few thousand dollars of repairs it is much less hassle to just write a check. You can still sue, or threaten to sue, the other driver whether or not you are insured. You will be out of luck though if they are uninsured. (Or not, since driving that way is illegal and they may be willing to pay you something rather than being reported.) Finally, for a really old car pretty much any crash is going to "total" it. That usually means a salvage title, which will make the car harder to sell. It may be that if you fix it yourself that the salvage title can be avoided. This, I think, probably depends on the laws in your state.
 

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