Found out my MSP doesnt like the taste of water

[Pez]

I agree. boats do tend to go threw water better than cars. LOL>

 

[DarkAngel]

I would invest in a bypass for the Cold Air Side of the Intake if you really decide to keep the CAI.

And yes you can use it. The intake is not pressurized before the turbo so you can use it.

 

[JCell]

I would invest in a bypass for the Cold Air Side of the Intake if you really decide to keep the CAI.

And yes you can use it. The intake is not pressurized before the turbo so you can use it.

yet AEM themselves say you cannot. first page on the instruction manual

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...kRp6Nj&sig=AHIEtbS7WjcQoSaQYTBlXTi10HH-vRU-Yg

 

[dacquesta1]

Well...how about some input from someone running a bypass. i know your out there

 

[Wagonbacker9]

yet AEM themselves say you cannot. first page on the instruction manual

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...kRp6Nj&sig=AHIEtbS7WjcQoSaQYTBlXTi10HH-vRU-Yg

I guess I don't understand why... I'm guessing because they think someone may be stupid enough to use it on boost piping? Aside from that, an intake is an intake and serves the same function NA or FI.

 

[dacquesta1]

I agree with that. Shouldn't matter as long as its before the turbo. But I'm not a turbo expert, in fact I'm new to it. But to me if its on the low pressure side (pre turbo) I don't see how it would matter. Again some input from the turbo experts would be nice...BUMP

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

needs to be before the MAF too...so doesnt leave much room...and chances are it cant be used on a turbo because it pulls in too much air.

Think of it not in terms of when the intake is actually submerged but what forces that bypass valve will see at WOT on a turbo system. My guess is that is where the failure point is at....

AEM states explicitly not to use it on a FI car so im sure they have good reason....

 

[DarkAngel]

yet AEM themselves say you cannot. first page on the instruction manual

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...kRp6Nj&sig=AHIEtbS7WjcQoSaQYTBlXTi10HH-vRU-Yg

And again thank you for pointing it out. I would suggest not to buy it from AEM then (As to why I didn't mention their name) and buy one where you can use it in a turbo application.

 

[JCell]

needs to be before the MAF too...so doesnt leave much room...and chances are it cant be used on a turbo because it pulls in too much air.

Think of it not in terms of when the intake is actually submerged but what forces that bypass valve will see at WOT on a turbo system. My guess is that is where the failure point is at....

AEM states explicitly not to use it on a FI car so im sure they have good reason....

+1

the sheer amount of air being pulled by the turbo would be enough to damage the bypass

 

[43975]

I run the MAM SRI and instead of turning the pipe down facing the ground I have it up. The top of my filter literaly presses against the hood of the car for this very reason. It's not uncommon here in Chicago to get flooding under viaducts. The flooding is't because of severe rain (flash floods) it's mainly cause of litter clogging the drains and water running down hill to them. Either way my intake hits equal if not higher then my engine.
I just let the FMIC do all the cooling work

doesn't someone make a breathable water repellant sleeve that fits over the filter???
I'm almost positive someone does.
Check the Jeep/offroad venders.
I used to build off-road suzuki samurai, and I remember one of the guys had one when we we doing a river crossing. I was suprised cause my smaller rig on 33's needed the snorkel I luckily had installed but he was on 35s so slightly higher then me and was fine mainly cause of that sleeve.

 

[Wagonbacker9]

we only run 6psi... so at full boost we're not even pulling 1.5x the air volume that a N/A 2.0l pulls through at the same RPMs. We have larger piping so the velocity is less than 1.5x more.

on a car pushing 30 psi I could see it causing substantial issues... valve opening under normal operation, or even sucking parts of the valve apart, who knows.

My bet is they laid that down as a general rule because theres no other good way to define what does and doesn't work. I'm not saying they're wrong, what I am saying is my bet is they had to figure out a place to draw the line, and that was the only logical place to do it.

I run the MAM SRI and instead of turning the pipe down facing the ground I have it up. The top of my filter literaly presses against the hood of the car for this very reason. It's not uncommon here in Chicago to get flooding under viaducts. The flooding is't because of severe rain (flash floods) it's mainly cause of litter clogging the drains and water running down hill to them. Either way my intake hits equal if not higher then my engine.
I just let the FMIC do all the cooling work

mine sits on top of the transmission.. intake tube actually turns toward the rear of the car.

 

[DarkAngel]

+1

the sheer amount of air being pulled by the turbo would be enough to damage the bypass

Yes that is why AEM states not to use it. It is recommended to get one for turbo applications. There are several out there and even Ebay but those are of no name brand sometimes like this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-5-...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

 

[dacquesta1]

your best bet would be to switch to a short ram. a cai isnt going to make that huge of a difference. your real power gains will be with a FMIC. better safe then sorry for the sake of what 2-3 hp tops?

 

[dandan2]

thats because most turbo setups use an intercooler so the use of a CAI is pretty much unneccessary....the air is getting heated up regardless of where it came from by passing through the turbo and all ends up in the intercooler. SRI is the way to go...easier.

yup. i said that already. thanks for backing me up though(wiggle)

 

[tmadmsp]

Thanks for all the info I will most likely be sticking with the cai. Going to seafoam it and change the oil its almost due for a change anyway

 

[yudkib]

how many people saying whether it will or wont work on a tubo have actually held a water bypass and know how it works?

 

[StealthWyvern]

needs to be before the MAF too...so doesnt leave much room...and chances are it cant be used on a turbo because it pulls in too much air.

Think of it not in terms of when the intake is actually submerged but what forces that bypass valve will see at WOT on a turbo system. My guess is that is where the failure point is at....

AEM states explicitly not to use it on a FI car so im sure they have good reason....

I agree with what your saying but if your retarded enough to go WOT through a puddle then maybe what may or may not happen is deserved. I mean seriously people need to learn common sense. I know some times you can't avoid a puddle but if you have any common sense you would coast through it out of gear and not floor it!

 

[Pez]

I agree with what your saying but if your retarded enough to go WOT through a puddle then maybe what may or may not happen is deserved. I mean seriously people need to learn common sense. I know some times you can't avoid a puddle but if you have any common sense you would coast through it out of gear and not floor it!

+1, also i think PG has those air filter water shield things. I heard the work pretty good. You can also look into getting one of those if your gonna go puddle drivin.

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I didnt mean WOT through a puddle....I meant under normal circumstances...Its probabyl not built to withstand the amount of air being pulled in at that point and could fail....or the foam will fail like it has in the past and get sucked right into your turbo...

I agree with what your saying but if your retarded enough to go WOT through a puddle then maybe what may or may not happen is deserved. I mean seriously people need to learn common sense. I know some times you can't avoid a puddle but if you have any common sense you would coast through it out of gear and not floor it!

 

[MazdaPro03.5]

I've been running an Injen hydro shield for about 4 years now. Even with all the rain we get here in FLA I have had no issues but I also drive slowly over any puddles on the road.