disappointed with 1/4 mile times...ideas?

[Stupiddumbface]

I took my 06 MS6 to the track a couple weekends ago. The car ran consistant 14.4's and 1.9 60' times.... but I honestly expected alot more out of it. I ran it just after buying it, it was stock, and it ran almost identical times. Since I have added a 3" DP (no cats) and a CAI...which is not much, but there was NO improvement. R/T's were descent, I had one at a .007 and that was the fastest pass at 14.40 @ 97. I am looking to get into mid/high 12 level, what path should I take?

 

[thorracing271]

MORE BOOST!

or maybe you need some v-tech stickers and stick on hood vents
(sorry i just got back from the rice thread)

 

[Blendercloud]

If you still have the stock turbo inlet pipe and the stock 2nd cat (and not a test pipe) then your downpipe and CAI aren't really doing anything for you.

 

[crlsnlopes]

If you still have the stock turbo inlet pipe and the stock 2nd cat (and not a test pipe) then your downpipe and CAI aren't really doing anything for you.

i thought all DP with the exception of the corksports removed both cats.

OP for the MS6, i havent heard of anyone running mid to high 12 on a MS6 yet. and since you have the stocker Ko4 is going to be hard to break into the 12s. my mechanic told me the car fells like a 12s car, but the problem is that it falls flat on the higher RPM's.

 

[BoostedSpd6]

OP for the MS6, i havent heard of anyone running mid to high 12 on a MS6 yet.

thats not entirely true..hehe..

also mike ran a 12.8 with an upgraded turbo, then his car (blowup), back then we knew alot less about the car and its issues and he was the first one to upgrade the turbo on this forum along with (Buit9110) as fas as i know..

 

[Stupiddumbface]

The turbo isnt capable of supporting a 12? I managed a 12.9 in an SRT-4 with nothing more than a boost controller, FMIC upgrade, exhaust work and slicks... I would have expected this to at least be comparable. I have removed both cats, but I have not replaced the turbo inlet...I guess thats the next step. What is everyone else launching off the line at RPM wise? Anything over 4500 RPM and I have worse 60 foot times.

 

[Blendercloud]

Launch at 3800-4200 depending on track temperature.

In an SRT-4 you're also talking about a huge weight difference. This car is comparable considering the weight. If you think about the big picture, an additional second to travel 1,320 feet isn't much. Granted, when you're drag racing it's a big difference, but when you think about it, it's really not mcuh.

 

[GiJoe]

no one has mentioned the driver mod yet?

 

[Stupiddumbface]

no one has mentioned the driver mod yet?

Driver "Mod" is just fine...but thanks.

Here is the slip from the best pass

R/T .007
60' 1.977
330 5.931
1/8 9.210
MPH 75.06
1000 12.025
1/4 14.407
MPH 94.87

 

[coyfish]

I don't know what to tell you man. I say +1 on the driver mod. This car should manage 13 second passes 100% stock. I ran a 13.6 with just a CAI at my first track experience. Are your tires bald or do you have a boost leak ?? Honestly 14 sec passes are very slow for this car. Are you shifting at 5500 ??

I think about 315whp with good driving / tires should be in high 12 territory.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

i thought all DP with the exception of the corksports removed both cats.

OP for the MS6, i havent heard of anyone running mid to high 12 on a MS6 yet. and since you have the stocker Ko4 is going to be hard to break into the 12s. my mechanic told me the car fells like a 12s car, but the problem is that it falls flat on the higher RPM's.

our car ran 12.7s and 12.8s daily. we have a thread with video and a mod list in our subforum here.

running 12s is not cakewalk on a mazdaspeed6. its ludicrous to make the comparison to an SRT4 and even to a mazdaspeed3. weight is a major factor. drivetrain powerloss is a major factor. upper end power band is a major factor. the small stock turbo is a major factor. boost controllers and simple gimmicks are not going to get you really far and definitely not safely.

running 12s daily and safely requires a good bit of money, parts, tuning and effort. there is a combination of reasons you don't see large numbers of people on this or any other forum running even high 12s with a mazdaspeed6.

 

[bova80]

if you are trapping that low that means your shifts suck. if you are red lining it and aren't using the AP or the cp-e full throttle flash then no wonder you are going so slow. you need to shift around 5800-6000rpm. when my car had just an intake i trapped 99mph.

oh and reaction time means nothing to your 1/4 mile time

 

[crlsnlopes]

thats not entirely true..hehe..

also mike ran a 12.8 with an upgraded turbo, then his car (blowup), back .

our car ran 12.7s and 12.8s daily. we have a thread with video and a mod list in our subforum here.

running 12s is not cakewalk on a mazdaspeed6.

i stand corrected. like i said i didnt know..its just without spending alot of money on the MS6 its very hard to break into the 12s

 

[Blendercloud]

I would prefer having to spend extra money on something that looks good than be seen driving a Neon. Just my $.02.

 

[MShreve]

I would prefer having to spend extra money on something that looks good than be seen driving a Neon. Just my $.02.

Lol, amen!

 

[Stupiddumbface]

if you are trapping that low that means your shifts suck. if you are red lining it and aren't using the AP or the cp-e full throttle flash then no wonder you are going so slow. you need to shift around 5800-6000rpm. when my car had just an intake i trapped 99mph.

oh and reaction time means nothing to your 1/4 mile time

There we go. I am shifting at 5800ish, what/who is AP. I will search the full throttle flash. Did ytou have this flash done when you trapped those speeds? I understand that R/T has nothing to do with 1/4 mile time...its the time you leave the staging area till you cross that matters. I didnt expect the weight difference to make such a change since the car had an alledged 50 horse advantage. This is my first AWD car and I didnt realize how dramatic the power loss could be I guess. Stock for stock the speed6 and the SRT-4 ran comparable times.

 

[GoFast]

where were you running these times? what were the conditions? That could be playing a big role in this too

 

[Evolved]

I would prefer having to spend extra money on something that looks good than be seen driving a Neon. Just my $.02.

lol

I was half way expecting to hear the standard "It's not a Neon, it's an SRT-4!!!!" response.

 

[bova80]

There we go. I am shifting at 5800ish, what/who is AP. I will search the full throttle flash. Did ytou have this flash done when you trapped those speeds? I understand that R/T has nothing to do with 1/4 mile time...its the time you leave the staging area till you cross that matters. I didnt expect the weight difference to make such a change since the car had an alledged 50 horse advantage. This is my first AWD car and I didnt realize how dramatic the power loss could be I guess. Stock for stock the speed6 and the SRT-4 ran comparable times.

the AP is a device made by cobb that allows you to tune the vehicle. www.cobbtuning.com

when i trapped that speed i only had an intake and no other modifications. it was about 55 degrees out that day so that helped also and my elevation is 1200ft above sea level. your 60' time is good so that can only lead me to believe you are slow at shifting or the point at where you are shifting is wrong or you are at a high elevation. when i trapped 99mph my 1/4mile time was 14.5 but only because i had a 2.3 second 60'.

also do you ride out 4th gear or shift to 5th?

 

[nvmsp]

lol

I was half way expecting to hear the standard "It's not a Neon, it's an SRT-4!!!!" response.

Well honestly, it's a neon...but you can make it fast as fk reliably, and make it look "kinda nice". If it's black or white.

but damn your MS6 is slower than most of our lightly modded msp's!!!!! lol J.K.