Cobb AP!!! It's orderable on the Cobb website!

[silversurfer513]

This thing looks good. I was excited until I found out I can't tune the damn thing. If you're stuck using their basemaps and have a problem you just bought an expensive boost gauge until that software comes out (and you can afford it). /shrug

Given what has come out about how insanely complex this ECU is I think it would be in your best interest to NOT tune this car yourself. But once the StreetTuner software does come out I cant wait for the obligatory "DUDE! Cobb blew my car up!!! OH noEs!!"

 

[aaronc7]

I will hopefully have mine today. SU is supposedly shipping them today...but I'm gonna drive there and pick it up.

 

[iBoost]

I will hopefully have mine today. SU is supposedly shipping them today...but I'm gonna drive there and pick it up.

great, let us know how you like it asap (naughty)

thats a great pic iBoost

Thanks.. considering i was behind the wheel myself it came out pretty good lol.

 

[funkyman]

OK usning a Cobb AP how do you professionally ,reliably custom tune an MS3 with CAI,DP,RP and PG manifold in Fort Lauderdale without worriying about it being blown up by the tuners.:mad:Nobody in the USA has too much exp[erience with a DISI turbo engine in general i mean.

 

[ZooZoom]

OK usning a Cobb AP how do you professionally ,reliably custom tune an MS3 with CAI,DP,RP and PG manifold in Fort Lauderdale without worriying about it being blown up by the tuners.:mad:

Generally speaking, you get a custom-tuned map for your AP by paying the services of an approved (Cobb trained & certified) user of ProTuner software. This is different than the StreetTuner version (very much the same however) for the avid individual willing to risk DIY garage/road tuning.

The owner/tuner at whatever shop you use has the ProTuner software on a laptop PC. The PC is connected to the ECU via the same harness device to the OBDII port under the dash.

The tuner then makes whatever adjustments deemed correct (fueling tables, timing tables, etc. etc.) to work best with the specific car setup. The ProTuner software itself is rather intelligent and uses an embedded coding feature within each table that changes the values in Red/Yellow/Green based on the "safety rating" of the values input. I've seen this in action and its a really cool feature.

Ultimately, however, the risk of major damage is still a very real possibility and is 100% the responsibility of the tuner. Of course, every tuner that I know makes the car owner sign a legal release form for any damage that may occur. So really it's the car owner's risk.

But the rewards of getting a good ProTune are very real. I know firsthand as a former Subie owner that had close to a half-dozen different ProTunes done on my highly modded 2005 Legacy GT.

 

[haberdashery]

what the hell, wheres their turboback and front mount?!! they always release them together

 

[funkyman]

One of you fellow forum volunteerers might want to initiate a group buy,what do say?

 

[funkyman]

Ok as usual they have avoided or have not adressed the key problem issues of this MS3 ECU with the fuel delivery,fuel pressure and boost limiter on the 1st and second gears.Does the AP allow full controll on that drive by wire system with the stock ECU,since this stock ECU has the habit of auto calibrating itself when you alter the variances,kind of like a hardware relay chip.

 

[PeterC]

Ok as usual they have avoided or have not adressed the key problem issues of this MS3 ECU with the fuel delivery,fuel pressure and boost limiter on the 1st and second gears.Does the AP allow full controll on that drive by wire system with the stock ECU,since this stock ECU has the habit of auto calibrating itself when you alter the variances,kind of like a hardware relay chip.

This is from the product page:

"Controlling aspects such as boost and throttle position, throughout each gear selection, ensures that you have maximum power and maximum traction for enhanced daily driving!"

So, my guess is that they are limiting power in 1st and 2nd just like the stock map.

 

[funkyman]

This is from the product page:

"Controlling aspects such as boost and throttle position, throughout each gear selection, ensures that you have maximum power and maximum traction for enhanced daily driving!"

So, my guess is that they are limiting power in 1st and 2nd just like the stock map.

Increasing the boost is no doubt going to create fuel pressure and delivery problems ,so can the fuel pressure be controlled too,or rather the cam driven fuel pump be instructed to deliver and sustain pressure levels at a given boost etc.

 

[aaronc7]

They have had zero fueling problems with intake/TBE/FMIC and they get really cold temps out in SLC

 

[funkyman]

Looking at the dyno from stock 224 at wheels to 240`sh stage 2 is not too much of a gain considering you can almost get that with a DP,RP Cai combo so to add the cobb to such a combo should deliver 260-275 really for it to be actually worth while or have a decent appeal.Am i right?What i am saying is that 700usd worth of Exhaust and intake mods provide such gains as 20-30hp do they not?Unless all the aftmrkt comps have lying dynos

 

[aaronc7]

Peak numbers arent super impressive as the turbo is being pushing pretty hard at this point, you should get good power in the existing power band though, and torque sooner. I should have it today or tomorrow I hope!

 

[PeterC]

Looking at the dyno from stock 224 at wheels to 240`sh stage 2 is not too much of a gain considering you can almost get that with a DP,RP Cai combo so to add the cobb to such a combo should deliver 260-275 really for it to be actually worth while or have a decent appeal.Am i right?What i am saying is that 700usd worth of Exhaust and intake mods provide such gains as 20-30hp do they not?Unless all the aftmrkt comps have lying dynos

Yes, but without tuning to go with those mods there is no telling what effect they might have on your engine. We have already seen one post of a dead engine running with just bolt-on mods...this is clearly not a simple engine. If you want reliability and some extra power, I think Cobb is a safer choice. I'm sure others will disagree.

 

[ZooZoom]

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)

 

[Young Roids]

poor souls that don't understand the true benefits of owning an AccessPort.

It ain't for the Stage 1 results alone (or absence thereof). Its for Stage 2, real-time gauge readouts, CEL reads/clearing, Valet Mode, Hi-Mileage Mode, eventually custom ProTuning, the ability to download & reflash your current OEM map for warranty purposes.


you gotta see the "big picture" here. and I'd still bet that the Stage 1 map provides some improvements over the OEM map even if it doesn't translate into hp gains. things like e-throttle mapping (not the plate control s***, but the drive-by-wire reaction rate), better AFRs for improved gas mileage, etc.

That's like saying you bought the MS3 for it's nice interior. We all know what this is really about, horsepower and by the looks of it AP doesn't deliver.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=4100

Just curious, where did you see this 1 hp lost? The link above is from their website and it definitely shows a gain on even a bone stock car.

They get 11hp from a car with just their intake. Then with their stage 1 AND that same intake they net only 10hp. So they lose power with a stage 1. Well then it looks like I will keep my stage zero.

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)

I was excited for a second then I read that you were gonna do a mid pipe as well. Consider you dyno 100% usless for determining wheather the AP makes power.

 

[mordant80]

They get 11hp from a car with just their intake. Then with their stage 1 AND that same intake they net only 10hp. So they lose power with a stage 1. Well then it looks like I will keep my stage zero.

Again... where did you see this?? I'm seeing that the stage one + intake offers +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So... 263 x .066 = 17.358. Sure it's not much but it's not less.

One thing I'm not sure of though, is the 6.6% gain compared to bone stock or would it be compared to the hp you get with the intake without the AP?

 

[Shane5425]

look at the dyno graph, yes it is not alot of peak power gain.. but look how much sooner you get the power... that in itself will make the car feel so much better..

 

[funkyman]

Can we put our own map with this and increase boost in 1st and 2nd gears.We need a stage 3 map to be honest.

 

[ZooZoom]

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)

Okay, let me restate my plan. IF (big IF) I can work a deal with Yimi Motorsports to let me do a few dyno pulls first with the stock mid-pipe back on, then putting the CS mid-pipe back on and doing a few more dyno pulls for a fair price......then I will contribute for the "sake of science."

If I can pull that plan off, it will accomplish two things:

1. Gains from AP alone
2. Gains from CS mid-pipe alone

(stooges)