Can this be done safely? (a little dreaming)

[Matthew]

Ok, before i ask, this is not something i plan to do anytime soon. hell i dont even have my hiboost turbo money yet I'm just curious if it can be done, and how ******* fast my car would be afterwards.

Since the next vehicle i get is gonna be like 37k for my wife (one of the loaded larger SUVs), i would rather pump a lot of money into my car and have it paid off one day, and maybe get some truck for myself later on...that being said, this is what i want to do...let me know if it can be done...

first, HiBoost turbo (nana)

then i want to get forged pistons and rods since im a nervous kinda guy. i figure while im in there with the rods and pistons, i could get aggressive cams and headwork done (port/polish, etc)...

i guess my question is, is that too much? like am i weakening the engine by adding that much power, etc.? is it going to knock or some s***? i figured if Juan dyno'd at 259whp on 100 octane gas (another question, can i run like 93 with all that crap done) @ 14psi, there is no reason with head work, and better cams (and maybe later a port/polished intake manifold) that i couldnt approach 300whp right?

add a LSD and stage3 clutch and shouldnt you be able to beat a stock STi easily?

the reason im not for sure about this, is because of all the talks of turbos and whatnot, ive NEVER seen anyone suggest doing headwork ALSO. (uhm)

 

[RyanJayG]

ints not really neccisary when all you have to do its turn a knob to make more power.... now while this isn't exactly true, it is for the most part with turbo'd cars... I would save them money on headwork (unless you want to make >300 HP) and put it in the tranny so it doesn't pop.

 

[seatbackfurther]

I'd say before the rods and pistons, get an EMS. You can make decent power without having to upgrade, but i'm sure you will become boost happy running at 14, and then you'll want to up the boost some more. If you are wanting to make 300hp, then i'd say go with forged internals, although probably not necessary, it would be a good idea. I'd also recommend lowering the compression on the pistons if you are going to be running lower than 93 octance at that psi. If you don't want to get lower compression pistons, then you can bring the compression down slightly with a thicker gasket, although this is more of a 'ghetto' way to do it. Also, about beating a stock STi, not from a dig but maybe a roll.. Unless of course you are going to do an AWD project... just my .02 cents anyway

 

[1sty]

FOrged internals and EMS is a must for any real power from a protege. Keep in mind the tranny can not handle that power and there is no replacement for it yet.

Also keep in mind that the people running the most power in these cars have not lasted long at all. Be it from a Hiboost turbo, MPI, Spoolin, ect. The only reason I didn't include Flyin Protege in that is that they really don't have a hipower kit although some kits have been associated with melt downs.

As you increase power you decrease longevity. Its a bad but simple fact. The only way around that is to replace anything not built to take that power which on the Protege is basicly the entire drive train including the engine, transmission, clutch and axles.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

The tranny can last, if you don't drive the **** out of it. Look at Terry's old MP3. He' was making, what, 250whp+ on his MP3 (with proper engine management of course) and STOCK internals. He hasn't had the slightest bit of a failing tranny.

CHris

 

[1sty]

The tranny can last, if you don't drive the **** out of it. Look at Terry's old MP3. He' was making, what, 250whp+ on his MP3 (with proper engine management of course) and STOCK internals. He hasn't had the slightest bit of a failing tranny.

CHris

His MP3 didn't run that power daily if I remember and he didn't put alot of miles on it.

 

[Matthew]

s*** so putting in say a hiboost kit and using the car as a daily driver is not gonna work?

 

[1sty]

s*** so putting in say a hiboost kit and using the car as a daily driver is not gonna work?

That might but you are lowering the logevity of the car. Even the modest FP kit will. It really depends on you as the user and with Hiboost, as the tuner aswell.

 

[Matthew]

even with forged internals?

if thats the case maybe i should just return my car to stock and buy an evo or some s***.

 

[tonkabui]

i think it is gonna work, but you just shouldn't be boosting that high all the time. making that much power, i.e., heat, will decrease the life of your block for sure. but if you're gonna get a new car anyway, mind as well go out with a "bang" so to say. hahaha.

one of the guys in mazdasports, duane, is going with the hiboost kit, full engine management, forged internals, and cryoed tranny. he's hoping to boost 20psi daily, and he's gonna do it soon... so keep an eye out.

 

[Matthew]

how much for a cryoed tranny? so if you had forged and that tranny would it work or what?

 

[dominoy2k1]

even with forged internals?

if thats the case maybe i should just return my car to stock and buy an evo or some s***.

thats what alot of smart people have done

 

[Matthew]

thats what alot of smart people have done

even the new evo RS's are like 27 or 29k which is almost a 600/mo payment, which i cant afford, considering my wifes new truck payment coming up (prolly close to 400 or so per month), plus insurance.

damn i was under the impression that if you got forged internals you would be ok as far as your engine life.

 

[tonkabui]

how much for a cryoed tranny? so if you had forged and that tranny would it work or what?

i have no clue... his sn here is ddogg777. he's a really nice guy. he used to be on the forums a lot in the FI section, but i haven't heard much from him since he dropped his new motor in.

 

[1sty]

even with forged internals?

if thats the case maybe i should just return my car to stock and buy an evo or some s***.

The problem is that there is absolutely no part of the protege built to handle 200+ hp. Every peice of it was engineered to hit 150,000+ miles running 130-170hp. A turbo kit might lower that to 100K miles or even 80K before a major issue. That time lost will be determined by your driving style. Forged internals will help but the rest of the car (even the rest of the engine) was not ment to see that power. My problem with the Tuners here is that often the idea of longevity is ingored for power. Something to consider is that Flyin Protege advertises their Miata kits lasting over 100K miles. The reason thats worth advertising is that its not very common of an aftermarket car that has doubled its power in the aftermarket.

 

[1sty]

even the new evo RS's are like 27 or 29k which is almost a 600/mo payment, which i cant afford, considering my wifes new truck payment coming up (prolly close to 400 or so per month), plus insurance.

damn i was under the impression that if you got forged internals you would be ok as far as your engine life.

No way I pay sub $600/month for my STI. $30K will be about $560-$550 if you get a low rate. I got 4.5% for 60 months on a $32K loan.

Engine life will be OK as for the rods and psitons. What about everyting else? There are alot of other componets at hand here in the engine and the Tranny simply was not designed for the power. Its not that its components are weak, just that they were not put together to take that much abuse.

The reality is NO ONE has run a kit for 50K plus that has claimed over 200 whp, NO ONE! It may last, it might not. We simply don't know. Everything is specualtion until its proven!

 

[Matthew]

ok now say i ran like 8 psi with the hiboost and only turned it up to race or whatever, then what am i talking, longevity wise?

 

[Matthew]

No way I pay sub $600/month for my STI. $30K will be about $560-$550 if you get a low rate. I got 4.5% for 60 months on a $32K loan.

Engine life will be OK as for the rods and psitons. What about everyting else? There are alot of other componets at hand here in the engine and the Tranny simply was not designed for the power. Its not that its components are weak, just that they were not put together to take that much abuse.

The reality is NO ONE has run a kit for 50K plus that has claimed over 200 whp, NO ONE! It may last, it might not. We simply don't know. Everything is specualtion until its proven!

maybe someone will have hit that milage mark by the time i can buy the kit (like sometime next year)...i guess worst case i can always sell off my parts one day if i can ever find myself in the situation that i can afford two vehicles over 30 grand.

so would you suggest just buying like a kit from FM or is there other known parts that go bad in the engine that i could upgrade?

 

[1sty]

Hiboost doesn't have alot of miles logged yet. Being that the kit uses a Haltech that nees to be programmed and tweaked, only time can tell. The FP kit is the most reliable in that its the hardest to screw up and it leaves the most margin of safety. I think you hae the right idea though. Wait and see what happens. I know FP is working on Links systems for the protege and it very possible people running HiBoost willmake 60K+.

However as we know, there is always a story written on the board and another behind the scenes. Don't take public posts and sigs as truth, they often are BS.

 

[Matthew]

Hiboost doesn't have alot of miles logged yet. Being that the kit uses a Haltech that nees to be programmed and tweaked, only time can tell. The FP kit is the most reliable in that its the hardest to screw up and it leaves the most margin of safety. I think you hae the right idea though. Wait and see what happens. I know FP is working on Links systems for the protege and it very possible people running HiBoost willmake 60K+.

However as we know, there is always a story written on the board and another behind the scenes. Don't take public posts and sigs as truth, they often are BS.

can you elaborate on the bs comment?

what do you mean by 60k+? do you mean the whole goddamned car would be worthless, or you would need to say, invest 2k in repairs for another 60k miles of use, lol?