ATF change video ...

[brandini]

lifetime = lifetime of the transmission

...which is extended when you change the fluid.

Just do 1 pan drop, top off, then fluid exchange (full ammout with the tubes and machine or the bucket system) at 30k to get all the break-in stuff out, then D&F every 15k after that and that thing will likely last forever if you use quality fluid.

 

[katman]

I'm not expecting shavings in my tranny fluid. And I'm not touching this fluid.

Why do you think there are no shavings in your tranny fluid? During break in, a lot of metal is worn off as gears seat. In every vehicle I have ever owned, I found a lot of metal in the first atf change. That sludge that coats the magnet is fine iron particles.
Mazda wants these trannies to last 100k miles. At that point, they will likely be resold. They say no atf change because sites like CU tally up the cost of ownership and recommending an atf change every 50k miles will place it at a competitive disadvantage against its competition.
So, they use owners manual engineering. One good example of this was the '97-'02 CRV. The car used the same engine as in the first gen Integra. In that application, Honda recomended a valve adjust every 40K miles. In the CRV, Honda said every 105k miles. I thought it ridiculous that they said a car with screw tappets can go 105k miles with a valve check,so I adjusted them every 50k miles.
A lot of owners were dumb enough to actually believe what Honda said and some of them had warped exhaust valves before 105k miles. Some of of those who complained were able to get Honda to give a discount on the headwork.
As for removing the at pan- most use rtv silicone to seal, it is incredibly easy to do. If you feel not up to it, then pay a shop to do it.It 'll cost a lot less than new tranny down the road.

 

[CX-SV]

Why do you think there are no shavings in your tranny fluid? During break in, a lot of metal is worn off as gears seat. In every vehicle I have ever owned, I found a lot of metal in the first atf change. That sludge that coats the magnet is fine iron particles.
Mazda wants these trannies to last 100k miles. At that point, they will likely be resold. They say no atf change because sites like CU tally up the cost of ownership and recommending an atf change every 50k miles will place it at a competitive disadvantage against its competition.
So, they use owners manual engineering. One good example of this was the '97-'02 CRV. The car used the same engine as in the first gen Integra. In that application, Honda recomended a valve adjust every 40K miles. In the CRV, Honda said every 105k miles. I thought it ridiculous that they said a car with screw tappets can go 105k miles with a valve check,so I adjusted them every 50k miles.
A lot of owners were dumb enough to actually believe what Honda said and some of them had warped exhaust valves before 105k miles. Some of of those who complained were able to get Honda to give a discount on the headwork.
As for removing the at pan- most use rtv silicone to seal, it is incredibly easy to do. If you feel not up to it, then pay a shop to do it.It 'll cost a lot less than new tranny down the road.

Not touching the tranny fluid for at least 100K, not worried about it too. But if owners want to change ATF to feel better, they should of course. But not on my CX-5.

The value adjustment scenarios of ancient Hondas has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[brandini]

Not touching the tranny fluid for at least 100K, not worried about it too. But if owners want to change ATF to feel better, they should of course. But not on my CX-5.

The value adjustment scenarios of ancient Hondas has nothing to do with this topic.

If you can't draw similarities from his story and apply it to yours your cx5 definitely isn't going to last as long- but you may not need/care, but don't poo poo methods meant to make a vehicle last longer than average for less than average amounts of money and sense.

 

[CX-SV]

If you can't draw similarities from his story and apply it to yours your cx5 definitely isn't going to last as long- but you may not need/care, but don't poo poo methods meant to make a vehicle last longer than average for less than average amounts of money and sense.

Sorry, I do not draw similarities with CX-5 tranny fluid and Honda valve adjustment scenarios from the good old days.

But I do respect that all Mazda owners will maintain vehicles in different manners based on Mazda's recommendations or not. Not poo pooing, if you believe it will make the vehicle last longer, for sure do it since it's not expensive to do so.

 

[brandini]

If you want to see what's going inside the transmission, do a fluid analysis at 30k and then we'll talk.

 

[CX-SV]

Yes, we won't be talking about Honda value adjustments in the 90's. Please feel free to do it, I'd be interested in seeing the report when you have it done.

 

[katman]

Sorry, I do not draw similarities with CX-5 tranny fluid and Honda valve adjustment scenarios from the good old days.

But I do respect that all Mazda owners will maintain vehicles in different manners based on Mazda's recommendations or not. Not poo pooing, if you believe it will make the vehicle last longer, for sure do it since it's not expensive to do so.

What "good old days" are you referring to? My example was one example of a car company using creative editing to make their car appear to cost less to maintain than its competition.
Bottom line:
Do you believe that changing the atf is no needed because:
1) The fluid doesn't contain a large amount of break in residue
or
2) It does contain a lot of break in material but it won't affect the longetivity of the transmisson?
Fact: No fluid will last forever, they all wear out/and or pick up impurities. Brake fluid? Should changed every two years. Engine oil? Should be changed every 5,000 miles. Engine coolant? Has to be changed to. However, you cling to this non fact belief that atf will last the life of the vehicle.
Curious....

 

[madar]

How do you guys check the fluid level with the dipstick? Do you try squeeze down from the top or do you go underneath to pull the stick out?

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

How do you guys check the fluid level with the dipstick? Do you try squeeze down from the top or do you go underneath to pull the stick out?

You pull it out like an oil dipstick. It has a tab with an 8mm bolt thru it. It's at the bottom front of the engine bay right side.

 

[CX-SV]

What "good old days" are you referring to? My example was one example of a car company using creative editing to make their car appear to cost less to maintain than its competition.
Bottom line:
Do you believe that changing the atf is no needed because:
1) The fluid doesn't contain a large amount of break in residue
or
2) It does contain a lot of break in material but it won't affect the longetivity of the transmisson?
Fact: No fluid will last forever, they all wear out/and or pick up impurities. Brake fluid? Should changed every two years. Engine oil? Should be changed every 5,000 miles. Engine coolant? Has to be changed to. However, you cling to this non fact belief that atf will last the life of the vehicle.
Curious....

Feel free to believe and maintain AT as you prefer, certainly the right thing to do based on your beliefs. Agreed, no fluid lasts forever, nor does any vehicle or vehicle component. Hondas creative editing to make their car appear to cost less back when, oil change intervals, brake fluid change intervals, coolant change intervals not applicable to ATF discussion.

Again, I'd recommend you do what makes you feel good and based on your beliefs.

 

[brandini]

Don't brush them off as beliefs, they're facts. Are you saying change intervals have no play here?

Here's proof they play:
-Buy a mazda with the FNR5 transmission
-Buy the extended warranty
-Read the extended warranty
-Notice the MAZDA extended warranty requires a transmission fluid exchange every 30k miles or your transmission won't be covered.
-Notice the manual you so dearly love says nothing about the transmission fluid.
-Notice the lightbulb over my head, and apparently none over yours.

Speaks volumes.

 

[gova]

YMMV but:

If you get rid of the car by 100K/8years you should probably be fine w/out any ATF changes.

Changing it every 35-40K miles will not hurt it either. That would be only 3 changes @120K miles.

If I decide to keep our CX-5s for long, I'll do it every 40K or so. It is an hour job to exchange ALL fluid and replace it with brand new one.

 

[dergibog]

Yeah. I'll change @ 40k too. Really not a big deal to do it.

 

[CX-SV]

YMMV but:

If you get rid of the car by 100K/8years you should probably be fine w/out any ATF changes.

Changing it every 35-40K miles will not hurt it either. That would be only 3 changes @120K miles.



If I decide to keep our CX-5s for long, I'll do it every 40K or so. It is an hour job to exchange ALL fluid and replace it with brand new one.

Nice recap without light bulb discussions.

 

[paris1]

Are we done now?

 

[CX-SV]

Are we done now?

Fair question, btw what was the topic? (Although Gova posted a nice summary)

 

[gova]

Since I am here again, I'll post some more.

I'd done full ATF change on my other car three times when I had it.

It was actually the kind of work I really enjoyed a lot. Once I had figured out the flow of ATF to the cooler and had my hoses and canisters ready it was quick.

Another aspect of this was that I knew what the tranny really got in terms of fluid/level/quality. Also, the "flush" was not forced by outside of the system pressure.
Lastly, all fluid got exchanged including fluid sitting in TC.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

I was going to keep mine for a long time but I'll probably be switching to the powerstroke diesel if they ever bring it stateside.

 

[paris1]

I was going to keep mine for a long time but I'll probably be switching to the powerstroke diesel if they ever bring it stateside.

"Powerstroke diesel"? I think you have that confused with a Ford F-350.