at least we didn't get shafted like subaru owners

[Ghost Rider]

example...did you know the new sti etc are based upon the legacy platform and has always been better for road racing?

also they have adopted more of the legacy style turbo setup and what nots. we legacy guys/womens are hoping for cheaper turbo options now.

tuning the new sti has already been done. you don't want to know what it can do.

if you want the subie go and get it. want the speed 3 go and get it.

riddle me this...

according to R&T a spec b can finish the 1/4 in 13.7 at 99mph. the speed 3 at 14.4 at 96.4.

how the hell can a 300+ lb heavier car (close or at 3500 lbs), less power (250/250), and has awd to go through out run a mazdaspeed 3?

how did my legacy gt with only a "chip" weighing 3485, full tank of gas and a passenger and i have the automatic out run a speed 3?

easy...subaru under rates their cars and tuning is available easily. get the wrx any model year...if you are gonna mod it's not gonna matter if you go bigger turbo anyways. hell, do an sti swap...

First off, that's a rather weak time for the MS3. The car is tricky to launch, takes a bit of skill to keep it on boost between shifts. In other words, the capabilities of this car are highly dependent on who's driving it. 14flat at around 100mph isn't an uncommon feet. Also, if you know anything about the MS3 it's boost limited in 1st and 2nd gear, combine that with FWD and how tricky it can be to launch and it's no wonder it's 1/4's are all over the place.

If you took out of the equation the boost limitation in 1st-2nd gear and the FWD launching issues you have a car that is hanging with and or beating cars that run the 1/4 in the low/ mid 13's. As a daily driver, most people aren't launching away from a stop all day long (this is horrendous on the drive train and not to mention makes you look like a total ass) the real fun is the passing power you get with the MS3. When you're in 3rd gear 45-65mph happens in about 2.6 secs, this is a lot faster than most cars can do and probably about as fast if not faster than an EVO / STI.

 

[imac]

i think that quote "mop the floor" said it all about the attitude...

if that's the case...hell, i'll get a cheap civic and turbo the hell out of it and "mop the floor" with any mazda 3 for what? 5k or so??

still keep my legacy...

ANYONE can buy cheap and make faster. IF you wanna play with the more expensive cars you will get smacked one way or the other.

i love the one way street as well...it's i beat so and so...some 328 that cost liek 34k or so and you gusy will brag saying you only paid 23k etc...but when that 328 is modded and kicks the crap out of you it...oh they cost much more and should be faster.

add awd and better crash test rating like a subie has and tell me if your econobox will still cost 24k. some of you just don't get it. anyone driving a more expensive car could have bought a speed 3 but decided on something else. get over yourselves. it's not as "fast" as you think. a black one found out the hard way yesterday.

first of all, you're putting a whole lot of s*** into my mouth that i never said. i couldnt honestly care less how fast my car is compared to someone else's. i didnt buy it to race anyone, therefore, i really only care how fast it feels to me, and it feels plenty fast to me.

my speed3 does everything i wanted it to, for a reasonable price. i had no reason to go out and buy something more expensive if this was all i wanted / needed. anything above that would have been a waste of money, so who are you to say my car isn't good?

if anything, i've said nothing but good things about subarus in this thread. look up my posts.

so next time dont make assumptions about me and dont put s*** in my mouth.

 

[Olestra]

Mazda P5 driver, you're trying way too hard. People are just making comments and stating opinion, no need to go on a rampage.

I'm really interested in seeing how the 09 WRX with 265 hp and better suspension is going to do.
As a Canadian, Subie is one of the only manufacturers that allow us to buy in the states. So it'll be much easier to pick one up than a USDM MS3 and also cheaper than buying a CDM MS3 (31k in Canada).
This is going to be a very nice competitor for the Mazda and Mitsu.

 

[Betelgeuse]

example...did you know the new sti etc are based upon the legacy platform and has always been better for road racing?

also they have adopted more of the legacy style turbo setup and what nots. we legacy guys/womens are hoping for cheaper turbo options now.

tuning the new sti has already been done. you don't want to know what it can do.

if you want the subie go and get it. want the speed 3 go and get it.

riddle me this...

according to R&T a spec b can finish the 1/4 in 13.7 at 99mph. the speed 3 at 14.4 at 96.4.

how the hell can a 300+ lb heavier car (close or at 3500 lbs), less power (250/250), and has awd to go through out run a mazdaspeed 3?

how did my legacy gt with only a "chip" weighing 3485, full tank of gas and a passenger and i have the automatic out run a speed 3?

easy...subaru under rates their cars and tuning is available easily. get the wrx any model year...if you are gonna mod it's not gonna matter if you go bigger turbo anyways. hell, do an sti swap...

You love carrying on about your car beating one ms3 driver who probably wasn't even racing. There are ms3s out there with simple bolt-ons that will chew you up. In fact I doubt stock for stock, a legacy will keep up with ms3 on the highway because the ms3 out traps it.

 

[dkswim]

stock first time at track i pulled off a 14.0? at 101.? so we have the trap speed which means we put down slightly more powere to the ground then the subaru.

 

[Babyface13]

Wow its getting cold in here because the fanboyism just got turned up a notch or two LOL

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

Poor? Lmao! Try smart, just because I don't want to blow 35k+ on a car at this time in my life doesn't mean I'm poor. I know plenty of people that make a lot more money than me that are driving around in 15k and under cars, doesn't make them "poor". The speed3 is just a great value for what it is and its fun to drive. I don't think it's the fastest or best sports car out there by any means but for the price its hard to beat without question.

Oh, and my comment about saving 5k over the "new" wrx isn't a bad idea depending on what you want out of a car. And yes if you invested 5k into the MS3 knowing what you're doing it will be pretty damn quick and it will "wipe the floor" with the new WRX (265hp) and still cost the same. Perhaps not in a 0-60 contest but in pretty much any other arena it will soundly beat it. Besides, this was only a suggestion and not meant to be taking as an insult. It just seems you're on here trying to start s*** with people with the insults. Why don't you just chill the F&*K out?

how about i simply get a srt-4 and spend that 5k saved on mods and mop the floor with any mazda?

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

Mazda P5 driver, you're trying way too hard. People are just making comments and stating opinion, no need to go on a rampage.

I'm really interested in seeing how the 09 WRX with 265 hp and better suspension is going to do.
As a Canadian, Subie is one of the only manufacturers that allow us to buy in the states. So it'll be much easier to pick one up than a USDM MS3 and also cheaper than buying a CDM MS3 (31k in Canada).
This is going to be a very nice competitor for the Mazda and Mitsu.

i don't think it's a rampage.

wanted to let people know what's up.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

stock first time at track i pulled off a 14.0? at 101.? so we have the trap speed which means we put down slightly more powere to the ground then the subaru.

add 2 more wheels to the drive train and you won't be.


as i already stated...we dropped the all out 1/4 time for awd...

this clown was trying. and i was pulling on him. like it or not you all it happened.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

You love carrying on about your car beating one ms3 driver who probably wasn't even racing. There are ms3s out there with simple bolt-ons that will chew you up. In fact I doubt stock for stock, a legacy will keep up with ms3 on the highway because the ms3 out traps it.

in my sig it says 16 psi...where is that stock? some spec b's have gotten about there stock but not my automatic tranny gt.


yawn...i can get simple bolt ons as well.

lets see...fp green, fuel mods, fmic...tune..look it up.

experience > than what you want it to be. i was pulling...

supposedly a g35 coupe can trap at 100 as well and i kept up with the dude to 95 and that's when he let off. im sure this one was manual cause i have out accelerated a g35 coupe before and he must have been auto.

if it means anything to you i ran into a modded jetta gli and after 60 i was pulling the whole time. about 3 car links or so. theroretically he should be trapping 96 or so. is it plausible that i have a good stage 1 tune?(dunno). i never broke the engine in...some say that helps for all out power. heard a story where 2 dudes bought the same bike 1 broke it in and the other did not. the one who never did pulled a couple links on the one that did.

just stating my experience.


look at the end of this clip...that is about how i was pulling from the speed 3. not that fast at the very end. but a good walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4F9rUs5M4&feature=related

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

Way to be an ass...I'm a big Subie fan all-in-all and have nothing but respect for the MS3 or other well crafted cars, and thankfully most other fans are a ton more mature than you seem to be...

the 2 speed 3's i have run into wanted to lane block.

talk about mature when any person with a minimum wage job can buy a speed 3.

here is the exact attitud i am talking about...acting like a bad ass then cries when he gets stomped...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qCI6T14jh4&feature=related

 

[Babyface13]

Now you are Profiling! LOL(poke)

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

my point is...no one is getting the shaft.

subaru has under stated their turbo cars for some time.

as i said. the turbo forester when new was getting 14 flat in the 1/4 with 225 stated hp. you guys with the speed 3 have a stated 260+.

dyno after dyno no subaru turbo is under cutting stated power unless it's broke. i mean, they haven't pulled power like the rx-8 had to do.

to my understanding guys were dynoing the previous gen wrx and when recalculated was about 265 anyways.

after this new "Tune" i bet it will be higher than 265. suspension won't mean much. it won't be as good as the sti but better than regular wrx. my question is...will it come with garbage tires and what will the tuners get for a stage 1 flash?

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

Now you are Profiling! LOL(poke)

bah...got a little off target and meant only to let people know what the real deal is. somehow our heavier, awd, and lower powered cars are still plenty quick. what most prolly didn't know is that the legacy is quicker/faster than the wrx. the legacy is also only .5" wider than my old P5 was and is considered a compact. it's just longer.

put more power in a lighter only 2 wheel driven car with a 6th gear...it SHOULD be quicker/faster. it saddens me when half the morons think 1/4 time is the end all be all.


btw...for all the people out there who have absolutely no idea...please show me a comparable speed 3...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1151951

tdc is claiming 400+hp and price was dropped to 19k last month. point of this is to show our after market availability.

http://www.tdctuning.com/index.php?page=projects&picfolder=tdctuning2005legacygttdcprojectcar

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

an 08 with 3 mods...figure close to 25% drive train loss

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1503107&highlight=08+wrx+tim+bailey


trust me man...you aren't losing anything...

 

[Betelgeuse]

look at the end of this clip...that is about how i was pulling from the speed 3. not that fast at the very end. but a good walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4F9rUs5M4&feature=related

I wasn't there but for the sake of not taking this too far, I'll give you benefit of the doubt. But I'll say this....

The fact that your car is modded and the other was more than likely stock makes your 'win' seem less impressive.

Anyway like someone already said, you're trying way too hard to prove something here. I'm certainly not saying the WRX is crap. It's got issues, but overall, it's a good car, I almost bought one, but even Subaru realized it was lacking hence the reason for the upgrades. You can't deny it got beat in comparo after comparo. And yes the ms3 comes with summers but the suspension on the WRX is like butter which greatly diminishes the benefit of adding better tires.

 

[Betelgeuse]

an 08 with 3 mods...figure close to 25% drive train loss

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1503107&highlight=08+wrx+tim+bailey


trust me man...you aren't losing anything...

The hp numbers are a little weak. Torque is good. Also isn't that a stage 2 tune? That's also a mod.

I've seen untuned ms3s put up better hp numbers though.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

I wasn't there but for the sake of not taking this too far, I'll give you benefit of the doubt. But I'll say this....

The fact that your car is modded and the other was more than likely stock makes your 'win' seem less impressive.

Anyway like someone already said, you're trying way too hard to prove something here. I'm certainly not saying the WRX is crap. It's got issues, but overall, it's a good car, I almost bought one, but even Subaru realized it was lacking hence the reason for the upgrades. You can't deny it got beat in comparo after comparo. And yes the ms3 comes with summers but the suspension on the WRX is like butter which greatly diminishes the benefit of adding better tires.

i have an automatic transmission. it has tall gears and only 5 at that. stock, yeah i would lose. all i have is a simple ots tune. my 3rd goes from 61 to 95 at 6200 rpm short shift. i didn't even top 3rd when i was pulling.

it's more of an equalizer than power mods. to my understanding i am supposed to be what a stock manual gt runs.

all i know is that he was blocking my pass and i was pulling ahead.

not the point...


i do remember my p5 suspension. it wasn't all that great but had some nice stiff damping. probably a little too stiff cause it never tracked bumps the way i would like it to and would toss it around over some big ones. with some good stiff sidewalled tired the p5 stayed fairly good when cornering. felt freaky though at 90 and the "passive" back end makes it feel un natural. comparing to my legacy yeah, my gt may be more softer per say, but it still holds pretty well. i can drive 100 with one hand easily while the p5 felt darty. it's nice not having to drive with white knuckles. with the new imprezza being based off the legacy i can only imagine.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

The hp numbers are a little weak. Torque is good. Also isn't that a stage 2 tune? That's also a mod.

I've seen untuned ms3s put up better hp numbers though.

oh geeze...take out the awd system...why haven't you all realized that awd takes away power?

point of this one was to prove that no one needs to wait for a 265CRANKhp factory ride. it's right there and more with a few $$.


cobb states stock sti power. do the math.

 

[Betelgeuse]

oh geeze...take out the awd system...why haven't you all realized that awd takes away power?

point of this one was to prove that no one needs to wait for a 265CRANKhp factory ride. it's right there and more with a few $$.

Oh, I considered the awd loss when I made that statement. I've seen numbers close to 300hp with no tune.