Any MS6 Problems?

[Jigggity]

Posting ID: Jigggity
Model: Speed6 GT
Duration Owned: 6 Months
Mileage:10000
Mods: None
Fuel Octane Used:93 only
Problem:Just got back from a a long trip and noticed the front Fascia and rear fascia was coming loose. As in almost off on hte rear and the front the body lines did not match.
Conditions Under Which Problem Occurredrobbly constant high speeds around 80-85
Steps Taken to Address Problem:Talking to dealer today
Resolution of Problem:
Current Status:In Progress
Future Plans:

 

[jcgemt2003]

Posting ID:JCGEMT2003
Model:2006 MS6 sport
Duration Owned: 04/06
Mileage: 12000
Mods:?
Fuel Octane Used:93 always
Problem: 4wd light came on and front tires spin with no activation of the all-wheel drive.
Conditions: Released the clutch to fast?
Steps Taken to Address Problem: Taken to dealership for inspection.
Resolution of Problem: Replacment of the right rear axle
Current Status: Front-whell drive Mazda Speed6...it sucks but I got a rental.
Future Plans: Part on back order...wont be shipped until Oct.30th 2006.

 

[mustangman]

I have been having these problems for some time now... after the first oil change at 2,000 miles to be exact.

Posting ID: Mustangman
Model: Mazdaspeed 6 GT
Duration Owned: Since May 2006
Mileage: 5,700 currently
Mods:none
Fuel Octane Used: always 93
Problem: Hesitation, complete loss of power
Conditions Under Which Problem Occurred: under medium acceleration
Steps Taken to Address Problem: Taken to dealer
Resolution of Problem: none
Current Status: awaiting call from dealer for a Mazda Tech Engineer
Future Plans: Possible Lemon Law

After the first oil change I noticed the hesitation problem and took the car in. They told me it was turbo lag. I insisted that I know too much about cars to pull that will me, and hesitation was coming 3,000 to 4,500 rpm. (Turbo spools at 2,000-2,500.) After getting the car back with no explanation, my service manager called and said to wait for the ecu update. When that came out I took my car back in and drove the service manager around showing him the problem and letting him drive the car to experience it himself. After the update the problem persisted and I called to inform them once again.

Now I drive a bit for a living and I was out of town and couldn't take the car in immediately, but while driving then... under normal acceleration the car died. I mean it lost all power and almost came to a complete stop.

After taking it in for this and getting it back with no response from the dealer I had another incident like the one listed above. The only difference was how hard the car stopped. I had my left hand on the steering wheel and was leaving home, I might have been doing 40mph and the car locked up and stopped so quickly my head came forward hitting my hand on the steering wheel.

Needless to say I was pissed. I called immediately and told the service dept what happened. They didn't have any cars to loan me so I had to wait three days to take the car in. When I took the car in they let me talk directly to the tech working on my car. I took him for a drive and then let him drive. It was a bit wet that day and he thought it may have been traction control kicking in. He said he would wait until it was dry to drive again and give me feedback. A few days later he called and said he still experienced the same thing in dry conditions. Upon checking the spark plugs he found they were carboned up and was replacing them. When the plugs came in he drove it again with the same result.

Now I am waiting for a Mazda Tech to call so I can take him for a drive to show him the problems. In the meantime I have had one more large power loss and constant hesitation.

As I stated above, I am at a loss on what to do. If that powerloss comes in the middle of rush hour traffic it could cause an accident. And the powerloss is annoying as all hell. I need some advice on how to bring up the Ohio Lemon Law or how to proceed from here. The car has been in for the same problem 4 times and still there is no solution. I am expecting a call this Friday from Mazda Tech to show them first hand the problem.

Also, they keep telling me they have never had a problem like this and that I am the first with any problem this severe. I am sick of hearing that and expressed as much to them.

Lastly, I am 32 and have owned all sorts of cars in my lifetime, I build motorcycles and cars for a "hobby". My point is I know a bit about motors, cars and poweradders and that I am not a young kid complaining about his car. Thank you for your time and advice.

 

[buit9110]

i believe that if you take your car for more than 3 times for serve for the same problem and they can't fix it,you are elegible for lemon law. send a letter to mazda headquaters with your information explaining what happened and go from there.

 

[Rainman]

I have been having these problems for some time now... after the first oil change at 2,000 miles to be exact.

As I stated above, I am at a loss on what to do. If that powerloss comes in the middle of rush hour traffic it could cause an accident. And the powerloss is annoying as all hell. I need some advice on how to bring up the Ohio Lemon Law or how to proceed from here. The car has been in for the same problem 4 times and still there is no solution. I am expecting a call this Friday from Mazda Tech to show them first hand the problem.

Also, they keep telling me they have never had a problem like this and that I am the first with any problem this severe. I am sick of hearing that and expressed as much to them.

Lastly, I am 32 and have owned all sorts of cars in my lifetime, I build motorcycles and cars for a "hobby". My point is I know a bit about motors, cars and poweradders and that I am not a young kid complaining about his car. Thank you for your time and advice.

First thing that I would try is to take it to another dealer to see if their service department can come up with anything different. After all, not all service departments are created equal. I would also make sure that whichever sercie department you take it to has the most up-to-date version of the ECU reflash. You can search the forum for threads on this topic...you will find the up-to-date version number there.

That is a start for now. I'll add ideas when I come up with them.

R

 

[mustangman]

"Buit" that is my understanding of the lemon law as well. I will try writing the letter as you suggested. Thank you.

Rainman, thank you as well for the post. I thought the same thing with the ECU update and each time they have told me the update is the newest... then of course I check. So far they are correct.

As far as another dealer, I hear you there, but one point on that. The Service Tech at the shop I go to is a Mazdaspeed only guy. I assumed he was the best for the job. He also noticed the spark plug problem (carbonized) which would have explained alot... if that fixed things. I do have another Mazda Shop about 45 minutes away, I'll give them a shot and let you know.

Thanks again.

 

[mustangman]

An update to my previous post.

A Mazda Tech same out and reviewed my problem, they have taken the car in again to check a few things he suggested. One is a fuel check, to make sure pressure is where it should be. Seecond is to check the ECU and the Traction Control for the other problem.

I was told, after talking in length with the Sales guy and the Service Manager, that if the problems aren't fixed this time, they would make it right. They would be taking the car back and help me with the Lemon Law if needed. So with that in mind I am looking for a new car. I don't expect them to fix it and even if they do the problems would always be in the back of my mind. When I hear more on Thursday-Friday, I will update this post.


Jim

 

[Rainman]

An update to my previous post.

A Mazda Tech same out and reviewed my problem, they have taken the car in again to check a few things he suggested. One is a fuel check, to make sure pressure is where it should be. Seecond is to check the ECU and the Traction Control for the other problem.

I was told, after talking in length with the Sales guy and the Service Manager, that if the problems aren't fixed this time, they would make it right. They would be taking the car back and help me with the Lemon Law if needed. So with that in mind I am looking for a new car. I don't expect them to fix it and even if they do the problems would always be in the back of my mind. When I hear more on Thursday-Friday, I will update this post.


Jim

Thanks for the update Jim. Keep us posted.

R

 

[mustangman]

As of today, the fuel system and pressures checked out fine. Their next and last step is the throttle position sensor. They are checking that now and look to get back to me later today or Monday.

I wanted to post this before my brain forgot what they told me exactly, I will post again when they call back.

Jim

 

[mazspd6]

I had the power loss issue previously and they did the reflash..thought it cured it but the day before thanksgiving the check engine light came on and stayed on and I have had intermittent power loss again.
Dealer says he has ordered the new style of gas recirculation valve and it should be in next week. Hopefully that will fix the problem..I'll remain optimistic for now.

 

[mustangman]

This may be my last post... I hadn't heard from the dealer, so I drove up there today. They still can't find a fix to the hesitation/braking issue. I spoke with the GM and instead of going through lemon law, they are looking for a new vehicle for me. So, it looks like my car will not be fixed and a Mustang GT or Audi S4 (used) is in my future. Good luck everyone and thanks for all your help and support.

Jim

 

[Bluesultan]

no mechanical problems to speak of yet after a couple of months of ownership (knock on wood) but i have had a couple of other problems. first, my SIRIUS satelite radio never works, it always says ACQUIRING on the display. also, my steering wheel makes a "clicking noise" while turning it. i can hear it best during parking lot manuevers that require the wheel be turned more than 360 degrees but it's even there during half-wheel turns to. anyone else experience either of these problems?

 

[mustangman]

Hey guys, I need a bit of help. The car has gone past 1 month in the dealer (this time, been in 4 times before) and the dealer is trying to help. Mazda is telling them they still want to fix the vehicle, but they have no idea how to fix the car. Secondly, I drive for a living and drive out of state, a loaner car from the dealer cannot be driven out of state because f insurance reasons. Everytime I drive for work I need the dealer to get me a rental car... I have a new car to drive every week.

Does anyone on here have someone at Mazda I can speak with or a way to resolve this in a timely fashion? I am way past frustration and I just need to move on and get another car. I am tired of paying ofr mine when all it does is sit in the shop. (I've owned for 4-5 months and its been in service for 2-2-1/2 months.) Thank you in advance.

Jim

 

[mustangman]

Well, I checked here everyday for someone to offer any help, with nothing forthcoming I took matters into my own hands. Lemon Law was pushed hard in late November/Early December. This past Thursday, I received a call from Mazda and an email with Lemon Law paperwork to be signed. After talking with a bunch of people that seemed to care less, this lady was extremely kind and understanding. After running through the final process with her I signed the final paperwork for Mazda to "buy back" my car.

For anyone else going through this, I feel bad for you and if you need any advice please feel free to PM me. One of the biggest issues I had through all this was the loaner cars. I drive out of state for work and anytime this happened, the dealership rented one from enterprise. After 10 Taurus's, Subaru's (Legacy 0-60 in 10 secs....) and the like I grew more and more upset that they wouldn't rent or loan me a car that was comparible, price wise, with the Mazdaspeed 6 I purchased from them. I hate to be a car snob, but I could almost buy 3 Taurus's for the money we all spent on the Speed6.

Well, after test driving an S4, a 330xi, and a S60R, I again purchased a Mazdaspeed 6, Liquid Platinum, fully loaded GT. Truth is, there is no other car you can buy for this price and this performance. I hate to say it, but this car even feels alot quicker and better made than my favorite car ... Mustang. I hope this experience owning a Mazda will be much different than my last.

FYI, the final problem with my car was the Stability Control system. I picked it back up last Thursday "fixed". But when I drove it to pick up the new one... the hesitation was as bad if not worse and when I took the sales guy out for a drive the braking issue happened again.

Take care guys, and a sincere thank you to the people who wrote back in this post or in PM's.

Jim

 

[denhabr]

MS6 Engine Problem: Part throttle tip-in jerking/hesitation

Posting ID: denhabr
Model: 2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Duration Owned: 5-1/2 Months
Mileage: ~2700
Mods: K&N Panel Filter, 'lack of power' PCM re-flash (Sept 2006)
Fuel Octane Used: 91 Octane (highest available here at 4800' ASL in Salt Lake City, Utah)
Problem: Dramatic part-throttle tip in jerkiness and hesitation that just appeared suddenly on Jan 1 2007. Dramatic jerking of the entire car as if someone was tapping on the clutch pedal. Engine 'sounds' like it is running on 3 cylinders.
Conditions Under Which Problem Occurred: Only occurs at low RPM's while @ part throttle in the lower gears...and is most prevalent when applying the throttle at this speed. Full throttle acceleration is fine once it gets out of the lower RPM band. The car had been running perfectly before that.
Steps Taken to Address Problem: Reset the engine computer (battery disconnect); added some injector cleaner; added fresh tank of 91 octane gas; limited driving - no improvement whatsoever. Took car to D. Dahle Mazda here in SLC on 12 January '07.
Resolution of Problem: They got a mechanic on it on 16 January, and after 3 days of analysis, they determined it was a, "bad O2 sensor." They then added that they had to send to Hiroshima for a new one (pissed) which they said would take at least a week. :bs: So I played along. Just found out yesterday on the 25th that the new O2 sensor from Japan is, "too big for the 'manifold'" (or so says the service manager.) Manifold? Did they mean the exhaust manifold or turbo housing? I'm departing for the dealership this afternoon to speak face to face to these folks. This is getting silly.
Current Status: Still in the D. Dahle Mazda service shop...now 14 days.
Future Plans: Cancelled until further notice...

News at 11:00...

 

[Rainman]

Well, I checked here everyday for someone to offer any help, with nothing forthcoming I took matters into my own hands. Lemon Law was pushed hard in late November/Early December. This past Thursday, I received a call from Mazda and an email with Lemon Law paperwork to be signed. After talking with a bunch of people that seemed to care less, this lady was extremely kind and understanding. After running through the final process with her I signed the final paperwork for Mazda to "buy back" my car.

For anyone else going through this, I feel bad for you and if you need any advice please feel free to PM me. One of the biggest issues I had through all this was the loaner cars. I drive out of state for work and anytime this happened, the dealership rented one from enterprise. After 10 Taurus's, Subaru's (Legacy 0-60 in 10 secs....) and the like I grew more and more upset that they wouldn't rent or loan me a car that was comparible, price wise, with the Mazdaspeed 6 I purchased from them. I hate to be a car snob, but I could almost buy 3 Taurus's for the money we all spent on the Speed6.

Well, after test driving an S4, a 330xi, and a S60R, I again purchased a Mazdaspeed 6, Liquid Platinum, fully loaded GT. Truth is, there is no other car you can buy for this price and this performance. I hate to say it, but this car even feels alot quicker and better made than my favorite car ... Mustang. I hope this experience owning a Mazda will be much different than my last.

FYI, the final problem with my car was the Stability Control system. I picked it back up last Thursday "fixed". But when I drove it to pick up the new one... the hesitation was as bad if not worse and when I took the sales guy out for a drive the braking issue happened again.

Take care guys, and a sincere thank you to the people who wrote back in this post or in PM's.

Jim

Jim,

just checking this thread after a while away. Sorry to hear that they couldn't get things fixed in a timely mannner, but glad to hear that you stayed in the Mazda family. Likewise, after an extensive search of vehicles, I came to realize that there is no comparable car in the price range of the MS6. I would be dissapointed if I had to pick another car in this price point to drive.

Enjoy the new whip.

R

 

[jonscapri]

A possible Solution

Posting ID: denhabr
Model: 2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Duration Owned: 5-1/2 Months
Mileage: ~2700
Mods: K&N Panel Filter, 'lack of power' PCM re-flash (Sept 2006)
Fuel Octane Used: 91 Octane (highest available here at 4800' ASL in Salt Lake City, Utah)
Problem: Dramatic part-throttle tip in jerkiness and hesitation that just appeared suddenly on Jan 1 2007. Dramatic jerking of the entire car as if someone was tapping on the clutch pedal. Engine 'sounds' like it is running on 3 cylinders.
Conditions Under Which Problem Occurred: Only occurs at low RPM's while @ part throttle in the lower gears...and is most prevalent when applying the throttle at this speed. Full throttle acceleration is fine once it gets out of the lower RPM band. The car had been running perfectly before that.
Steps Taken to Address Problem: Reset the engine computer (battery disconnect); added some injector cleaner; added fresh tank of 91 octane gas; limited driving - no improvement whatsoever. Took car to D. Dahle Mazda here in SLC on 12 January '07.
Resolution of Problem: They got a mechanic on it on 16 January, and after 3 days of analysis, they determined it was a, "bad O2 sensor." They then added that they had to send to Hiroshima for a new one (pissed) which they said would take at least a week. :bs: So I played along. Just found out yesterday on the 25th that the new O2 sensor from Japan is, "too big for the 'manifold'" (or so says the service manager.) Manifold? Did they mean the exhaust manifold or turbo housing? I'm departing for the dealership this afternoon to speak face to face to these folks. This is getting silly.
Current Status: Still in the D. Dahle Mazda service shop...now 14 days.
Future Plans: Cancelled until further notice...

News at 11:00...

I hate to say it but some of the issues you might be having might be the MAF sensor. I've come across this problem in most cars that are equipped with a MAF, and with an oil based air filter.

P.S.
Stay away from D. Dahle. Most of the work they can't figure out the send the cars to Bountiful Mazda. I would suggest that you try using a dry filter other that the K&N. Also the MS6 still uses a lot of the same sensors as the 6i model.

 

[denhabr]

MS6 Engine Problem: Part throttle tip-in jerking/hesitation - UPDATE I

Posting ID: denhabr
Model: 2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Duration Owned: 5-1/2 Months
Mileage: ~2700
Mods: K&N Panel Filter, 'lack of power' PCM re-flash (Sept 2006)
Fuel Octane Used: 91 Octane (highest available here at 4800' ASL in Salt Lake City, Utah)
Problem: Dramatic part-throttle tip in jerkiness and hesitation that just appeared suddenly on Jan 1 2007. Dramatic jerking of the entire car as if someone was tapping on the clutch pedal. Engine 'sounds' like it is running on 3 cylinders.
Conditions Under Which Problem Occurred: Only occurs at low RPM's while @ part throttle in the lower gears...and is most prevalent when applying the throttle at this speed. Full throttle acceleration is fine once it gets out of the lower RPM band. The car had been running perfectly before that.
Steps Taken to Address Problem: Reset the engine computer (battery disconnect); added some injector cleaner; added fresh tank of 91 octane gas; limited driving - no improvement whatsoever. Took car to D. Dahle Mazda here in SLC on 12 January '07.
Resolution of Problem: They got a mechanic on it on 16 January, and after 3 days of analysis, they determined it was a, "bad O2 sensor." They then added that they had to send to Hiroshima for a new one (pissed) which they said would take at least a week. :bs: So I played along. Just found out yesterday on the 25th that the new O2 sensor from Japan is, "too big for the 'manifold'" (or so says the service manager.) Manifold? Did they mean the exhaust manifold or turbo housing? I'm departing for the dealership this afternoon to speak face to face to these folks. This is getting silly.
Current Status: Still in the D. Dahle Mazda service shop...now 14 days.
Future Plans: Cancelled until further notice...

News at 11:00...

The saga continues...

January 26 visit to D. Dahle Mazda Service Dept: According to "Brian E," the D. Dahle Service Manager, this is what happened:

• The front heated O2 sensor threw a code when checked (I never got any form of CEL displayed.) The F sensor was apparently not heating at all...thus the erratic engine idle and performance at part throttle. Mazda's own Factory Tech Support folks had even been involved twice during the diagnosis of the problem.
• When the Technician tried removing the F heated O2 sensor, he stripped the threads in the turbine manifold. What they told me was that there was a 'special removal procedure' for extracting the failed O2 sensor from the casting...and that the factory shop manuals failed to go into the details of that procedure...thus the stripped threads and damage to the turbine outlet manifold. (pissed)
• So...after they talked with Mazda's internal tech support line a final time, D. Dahle decided to order a completely new set of parts, including a new exhaust turbine outlet manifold w/ catalyst (WU-TWC), a new F heated O2 sensor (FHO2S), a new front pipe, and a new rear heated O2 sensor (RHO2S).
• Everything has arrived for installation except the rear heated O2 sensor...

So, that is where we stand as of 1600 Jan 26 2007. Hopefully I will get to pick up the car later this week (after a short business trip to Atlanta.)

P.S.: Thanks Jonscapri for the tip on the MAF sensor. I understand the situation there too...having had a Mustang GT with an oil-based K&N filter. I kept it clean with spray-on MAF cleaner...and will keep an eye on my MS6 MAF as well.

News later this week!

 

[mustangman]

Rainman,

Thank you for the reply. It was very frustrating and I'm glad its over. I did end up getting a fully loaded (gps etc.) for $3,000 less than what I paid for my original one, out the door. So all in all it worked out quite well.

"Denh" This sounds similar to my problem as well. (The hesitation, etc.) The best advice I can offer is be sure they open a new work order with every one of these problems and keep ALL paperwork. Then check your Supplimental Warranty booklet and look under your state for the lemon law facts. I let mine go too long before jumping on it, I'd hate to see anyone go through what I did. (Dealership kept mine a total of 4 months in 8 months of ownership.) If I can help at all shoot me a PM. Take care and good luck.

Jim

 

[denhabr]

The saga continues...

January 26 visit to D. Dahle Mazda Service Dept: According to "Brian E," the D. Dahle Service Manager, this is what happened:

• The front heated O2 sensor threw a code when checked (I never got any form of CEL displayed.) The F sensor was apparently not heating at all...thus the erratic engine idle and performance at part throttle. Mazda's own Factory Tech Support folks had even been involved twice during the diagnosis of the problem.
• When the Technician tried removing the F heated O2 sensor, he stripped the threads in the turbine manifold. What they told me was that there was a 'special removal procedure' for extracting the failed O2 sensor from the casting...and that the factory shop manuals failed to go into the details of that procedure...thus the stripped threads and damage to the turbine outlet manifold. (pissed)
• So...after they talked with Mazda's internal tech support line a final time, D. Dahle decided to order a completely new set of parts, including a new exhaust turbine outlet manifold w/ catalyst (WU-TWC), a new F heated O2 sensor (FHO2S), a new front pipe, and a new rear heated O2 sensor (RHO2S).
• Everything has arrived for installation except the rear heated O2 sensor...

So, that is where we stand as of 1600 Jan 26 2007. Hopefully I will get to pick up the car later this week (after a short business trip to Atlanta.)

P.S.: Thanks Jonscapri for the tip on the MAF sensor. I understand the situation there too...having had a Mustang GT with an oil-based K&N filter. I kept it clean with spray-on MAF cleaner...and will keep an eye on my MS6 MAF as well.

News later this week!

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Feb 8, 2007 - The Saga Ends...

Got the call from D. Dahle Service Dept. on the 2nd that the car was ready for pick up and it checked out fine. Here are excerpts from the R/O:

• "Diag. Road Tested. Vehicle hessitates (sic) when driving, no MIL light no codes. Tested all fuel and intake systems all within spec. Contacted hotline and was instructed to disconnect O2 sensor, disconnected sensor and vehicle runs normal"
• "Removed O2 sensor and installed new one, during install threads pulled out of the cat converter. Damaged new sensor. Removed and replaced three way cat and installed new sensor. Cleared KAM and road tested vehicle, rns normal and within spec. Verified repairs."
• Installed: Sensor Air & Fuel Ratio L3M5
• Installed: Converter L380

Other comments: "Customer knows part is coming from Japan...parts due 1/29/2007"

All work was performed under warranty.

Wife picked it up for me on Feb 2, and drove it home...said it was running fine. When I drove it the first time on the 8th, all operations checked out ok. Seems as if it is bit smoother in the lower end, but really runs out of steam around 4000 RPM...but performs great on the highway.

Frankly, no complaints. I'm just glad to have my car back. Case closed...for now.