ANOTHER Broken motor mount........ Its my turn

[M-PIMP]

I traded in a flawless 19K mile sunlight silver '03 Mazdaspeed Protege with mild mods done to it....I'm starting to think I made a mistake.


And even though the MS3 is a formidable performer and a great looking car, I should have bought an EVO SE or kept the MSP!(bang)

 

[Betelgeuse]

All I have to say is given the way I drive, if the bolt was loosening up, I'd be the first to know. I believe some of the bolts were not torqued right to begin with. 75 ft/lbs is nothing to laugh at. I don't see that loosening up at all. I could be wrong though.


This weekend I'm going to check it again and will post my findings. 13k miles on the clock now. I think I checked it last when it had 5k miles. So with hard driving 8k miles later, I will find out if it's really loosening up.

 

[justa4banger]

"has a bolt sheared"

Not entirely all the way. The engineers explained it as i said before. rubber is between the mounts, it disappears with driving and even thought the bolt was trq and threadlocked it now has slop. the top plat and bottom bracket clash against each other and the bolt gets sheared about 1/2 way through. My bolt was sheared half way and slightly bent. The the rest snapped clean off.

Either way s*** happens, what do you expect when you buy a first year model car. It shouldn't happen, but its seems to me like they have found the reason WHY it broke. Now if i shear another bolt in 4k miles , THEN THEY HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE.

Oh car drives fine, took it to the track (1/8th) got a 9.6 @77 mph (lazy 60 ft 2.5 sec)
let the wife race the car and she got a slew of 9.9 -10's and then cracked off a 9.7. It was her first time to ever race and she got the 9.7 on her second run. She made 5 passes. no wheel hop just taking it easy on the line and then going for it.

 

[matsuda]

I believe some of the bolts were not torqued right to begin with. 75 ft/lbs is nothing to laugh at. I don't see that loosening up at all. I could be wrong though.

Hello??? Anyone home??? Didn't you read the posts about the problem with the rubber?

If you doubt that Mazda engineers cannot diagnose this problem correctly, why haven't you traded your car in already?

 

[Betelgeuse]

Hello??? Anyone home??? Didn't you read the posts about the problem with the rubber?

If you doubt that Mazda engineers cannot diagnose this problem correctly, why haven't you traded your car in already?

Yeah I read one whole post about it. BTW if they already diagnosed this issue, where's the TSB or recall? Why is my dealer, as well as so many others (as reported by members) clueless about it?

Maybe there are multiple issues here and not just one. However I do know of at least 3 members who've found the bolt only torqued to 25 ft/lbs. One guy even took a picture of the bolt head backed out at least one centimeter. It was as if it was never tightened to begin with. Those issues had nothing to do with rubber between the mounts.

Anyway I checked my bolt today, 6000 miles after the last check, and it was still torqued to the same spec (~ 75 ft/lbs). This is with hard driving and habitual burnouts. If it breaks, it's not because of some crappy rubber or it being loose.

IMO, the idea that the bolt is magically coming loose even when torqued to spec is complete bullsh*t!

 

[matsuda]

Yeah I read one whole post about it. BTW if they already diagnosed this issue, where's the TSB or recall? Why is my dealer, as well as so many others (as reported by members) clueless about it?

Maybe there are multiple issues here and not just one. However I do know of at least 3 members who've found the bolt only torqued to 25 ft/lbs. One guy even took a picture of the bolt head backed out at least one centimeter. It was as if it was never tightened to begin with. Those issues had nothing to do with rubber between the mounts.

IMO, the idea that the bolt is magically coming loose even when torqued to spec is complete bullsh*t!

You don't get it...

That is exactly what happens as a result of the rubber being where it is not supposed to be. The bolt is torqued to the correct spec at the factory and then the rubber will compress over time. Remember, the OP did torque that bolt to spec -and- applied lock-tite.

You haven't had a problem because you (like most people) fortunately don't have rubber between the mounts.

Don't think for a minute that there has not been a lot of internal discussion at Mazda about this problem and how to address it. They wouldn't send Japanese engineers to dealers if they weren't serious about finding the cause. The fact that there is no TSB might make sense considering that the failure rate is still relatively low.

One more thing to think about: If some of the mount bolts weren't torqued correctly at the factory, what other bolts might fall out because they weren't torqued correctly? That is a scary thought.

If you really think that the bolt can't possibly come loose once it's torqued to spec, then you must think that the diagnosis from the Mazda engineers was total B.S.

Once again, if you have no faith in Mazda engineers, why aren't you selling your car?

 

[akaiMS3]

Dear everyone,

blog gossip is over, it's REAL now.

http://www.mazda.co.jp/service/recall/177/105/002150.html

recall has been issued in Japan as of May 24th '07.
I hope to hear from mazda usa soon.

Have a nice day.

 

[Rotus8]

Dear everyone,

blog gossip is over, it's REAL now.

http://www.mazda.co.jp/service/recall/177/105/002150.html

recall has been issued in Japan as of May 24th '07.
I hope to hear from mazda usa soon.

Have a nice day.

About the recall of マツダスピードアクセラ

2007 May 23rd, the Matsuda corporation notified the below-mentioned recall to the national traffic ministry.

It does to put annoyance to on everyone of regular use, very much, from heart apologizes. Because, from the store, making guide with the direct mail, and the like it receives in the customer who becomes the object, communication it receives to the Matsuda car store of the vicinity, repair (no charge) to receive that it receives, it asks.
Recall notification number 1888 Recall target date 2007 May 24th When there is a standard nonconformance state, the structure which is recognized, circumstance and its cause of the device or efficiency In the turbo attaching engine on-board vehicle, because the mount of the transmission and specified value of torque of the volt/bolt which concludes the bracket are inadequate, when rapid start or abrupt acceleration travelling repeatedly it does, there are times when particular volt/bolt loosens. Because of that, when use is continued that way, the engine and the transmission tilt with the coming out or breaking of particular volt/bolt, when it is worst, there is a possibility the drive shaft coming out, reaching to travelling failure. Contents of improvement measure All vehicle, exchanging particular volt/bolt with the measure item, it tightens by appropriate torque. Furthermore, when it has not tightened at fixed torque value, you exchange the transmission mount and the transmission bracket with the new item, tighten by appropriate torque. In addition, those where the rubber has protruded near the conclusion section of the transmission mount cut off the particular rubber.
Car name Type Alias name Range of under carriage number of object car
And production period Object car
Quantity Remark Matsuda DBK-BK3P アクセラ BK3P-300025 - BK3P-303274
2006 May 12th - 2007 May 12th 2,025 Matsuda speed
Only specification car

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< Note > (1) Because also the vehicle which does not become the object is included in the range of the under carriage number where the object car is included, please inquire details at the store of the vicinity. (2) Production period of the object car differs from the time of purchase.

 

[civic si hb]

Great info, thanks for sharing!! I wonder how long it'll take to get that recall here to the states?

 

[justa4banger]

YEa baby theres a fix a coming, i'm staying tuned for the recall. though i just had mine fixed so i imagine i'm good, unless theres a new mount.

 

[MazdaSPD3]

About the recall of マツダスピードアクセラ

2007 May 23rd, the Matsuda corporation notified the below-mentioned recall to the national traffic ministry.

It does to put annoyance to on everyone of regular use, very much, from heart apologizes. Because, from the store, making guide with the direct mail, and the like it receives in the customer who becomes the object, communication it receives to the Matsuda car store of the vicinity, repair (no charge) to receive that it receives, it asks.
Recall notification number 1888 Recall target date 2007 May 24th When there is a standard nonconformance state, the structure which is recognized, circumstance and its cause of the device or efficiency In the turbo attaching engine on-board vehicle, because the mount of the transmission and specified value of torque of the volt/bolt which concludes the bracket are inadequate, when rapid start or abrupt acceleration travelling repeatedly it does, there are times when particular volt/bolt loosens. Because of that, when use is continued that way, the engine and the transmission tilt with the coming out or breaking of particular volt/bolt, when it is worst, there is a possibility the drive shaft coming out, reaching to travelling failure. Contents of improvement measure All vehicle, exchanging particular volt/bolt with the measure item, it tightens by appropriate torque. Furthermore, when it has not tightened at fixed torque value, you exchange the transmission mount and the transmission bracket with the new item, tighten by appropriate torque. In addition, those where the rubber has protruded near the conclusion section of the transmission mount cut off the particular rubber.
Car name Type Alias name Range of under carriage number of object car
And production period Object car
Quantity Remark Matsuda DBK-BK3P アクセラ BK3P-300025 - BK3P-303274
2006 May 12th - 2007 May 12th 2,025 Matsuda speed
Only specification car

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< Note > (1) Because also the vehicle which does not become the object is included in the range of the under carriage number where the object car is included, please inquire details at the store of the vicinity. (2) Production period of the object car differs from the time of purchase.

This does not sound like good english. Is this like a direct translation for the Japanese language ?


At least there will be a recall done here in the U.S.

 

[Rotus8]

This does not sound like good english. Is this like a direct translation for the Japanese language ?


At least there will be a recall done here in the U.S.

It's an automated machine translation by babelfish. It gives the flavor of the page - pretty funny too.

 

[M3_Zoom]

YEa baby theres a fix a coming, i'm staying tuned for the recall. though i just had mine fixed so i imagine i'm good, unless theres a new mount.

I'm willing to bet it will be a new mount. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet it will be a new bolt & mount combo. Why? From an engineers mind set, you really don't know what or how much stress the current bolt has undergone. Sure the bolt could "appear" to be in good shape, with no signs of wear, but why would you take the chance of an addendum to the recall later on down the road to replace the bolt as well? Just my opinion

Anyhow this is great news and like most of us said, we all must understand new cars present new problems and I have yet to own a first year performance car that did not have its fare share of issues.

 

[SPEED305]

mazda usa better get on the ball with this

 

[whitey4311]

So what happens now? Do we get a letter to go to a dealer for the fix or what?

 

[justa4banger]

So what happens now? Do we get a letter to go to a dealer for the fix or what?

Yeap we'll get a letter. ONce the TSB is out though you'll be able to take your car to the dealer and get it "updated" with what ever they want to do.
It will be a recall for all MS3's so don't worry, you'll get your notice.

 

[Koenig]

Yeap we'll get a letter. ONce the TSB is out though you'll be able to take your car to the dealer and get it "updated" with what ever they want to do.
It will be a recall for all MS3's so don't worry, you'll get your notice.

Auto online translators FTL...... that thing was sucky at best to read through....

Good to know you guys are getting a recall....... does this in anyway apply to the speed6?

I'm curious to know, since they are basically the same engine, I would assume the same engine mount as well, no? (ugh)

 

[Jasonstiller]

THank the LORD!!!

 

[Betelgeuse]

You don't get it...

That is exactly what happens as a result of the rubber being where it is not supposed to be. The bolt is torqued to the correct spec at the factory and then the rubber will compress over time. Remember, the OP did torque that bolt to spec -and- applied lock-tite.

You haven't had a problem because you (like most people) fortunately don't have rubber between the mounts.

Don't think for a minute that there has not been a lot of internal discussion at Mazda about this problem and how to address it. They wouldn't send Japanese engineers to dealers if they weren't serious about finding the cause. The fact that there is no TSB might make sense considering that the failure rate is still relatively low.

One more thing to think about: If some of the mount bolts weren't torqued correctly at the factory, what other bolts might fall out because they weren't torqued correctly? That is a scary thought.

If you really think that the bolt can't possibly come loose once it's torqued to spec, then you must think that the diagnosis from the Mazda engineers was total B.S.

Once again, if you have no faith in Mazda engineers, why aren't you selling your car?

I haven't heard one Mazda engineer say anything officially. When they do, I'll get back to you.

Like I said, it seems there might be several isues, the rubber issue which are causing some bolts to possibly loosen up over time, and the loose bolts from the factory. However until the official TSB or recall is released, we won't know for sure. The good news is it looks like that will be happening soon.


Also, judging from your remarks it seems that you don't believe some bolts were loose from the factory or that it is possible for that to happen. Well if the guys with loose rear sway-bar bolts are telling the truth, you can't be more wrong.

 

[whitey4311]

I had a loose sway bar bolt and I was able to take it off by hand. I couldnt believe it and neither could my friend who also owns a MS3 but his was fine.

2 dealers say they know nothing of it but it was an easy fix with a 17mm socket and red loctite. If it would have been ignored it would have damaged the bolt and other surrounding parts.