Al Gore speaks on the Iraq threat circa 92'

[SuperStretch18]

I hope we can all get along as superpowers and coexist in peace but I have an uneasy feeling you're right. For all our sakes I hope you're not.

Nevermind the superpowers, we need to get along in here!(chair) (dark) (chair) (dark)

In all seriousness, I hope no one takes any of this conversation too personally. The fact that we can talk openly about these things is something that we should all be thankful for. People have different ideas about the best way to accomplish our goals, but please don't assume that just because someone doesn't share your view that they don't have the country's best interests in mind. Thanks everyone for sharing their opinions...

 

[mspdfreak]

Name ONE Iraqi terrorist that has done something to the United States.

There are none. 911 was saudis. And us invading Iraq did nothing but start a civil war.

Not to mention Bush had no exit plan or long term plan.

Name one Nazi who did something to America before WWII.

 

[Donas64]

Nevermind the superpowers, we need to get along in here!(chair) (dark) (chair) (dark)

In all seriousness, I hope no one takes any of this conversation too personally. The fact that we can talk openly about these things is something that we should all be thankful for. People have different ideas about the best way to accomplish our goals, but please don't assume that just because someone doesn't share your view that they don't have the country's best interests in mind. Thanks everyone for sharing their opinions...

Bingo!

 

[Donas64]

I never said saddam wasn't a evil bad man my point is you can't justify going into iraq and use the ''it was in the best intrests for the people of the united states'' as a valid excuse.


Bush's excuse for the war because he thought iraq was hiding WMADs is by far the worst excuse I have ever heard for plunging a nation into war.. there was no hard evidence, and there never will be.

we killed saddam because he was an evil dictator? well what the **** why don't we just stomp right into N.Korea and do the same thing Kim jong ill, he tortures his own, he throws them in concentration camps so what's your excuse there?

Think about the lives that were lost in iraq due to this war, not only american soliders but iraqi civilians as well, last I check it was over 300,000 civilans

Maybe it wasn't the best reason but its a fact that we has not the only one who thought that and to say he was is not being intellectually honest. There were several others (including Hillary Clinton) who believed Sadaam was hiding some sort of Chemical or Biological weaponry from the U.S weapons inspectors. Maybe they were wrong, maybe they were not. But its like looking for a needle in a haystack and I for one am not convinced that any such weapons were moved to syria. I could be wrong but is not an open shut case for me. There was something fishy going on there or maybe Sadaam was just lying through his teeth and it cost him his life.

As for Iraqi Civilian deaths, while they are tragic, we are not the ones killing them. Its not like we went in guns blazing cutting down civilians. True if we had not gone in there most of those people would still be alive today but thats like saying if we don't go into darfur, then less refugees will die because the people commiting genocide won't feel the need to retaliate so harshly if we don't interfere.

As for N. Korea., I think Kim Jong Ill saw what happened to Sadaam and saw that the international community was not on his side so he decided to put away his toys for now. You best believe that if he tried anything, he would have gotten a rude awakening from a lot of countries who were not very happy with him so he decided to play nice.

 

[Killer]

Name one Nazi who did something to America before WWII.

ww2 comparos are invalid. Islam or religious fanaticism was not at play. Also,
The nazis had invaded 3 of our allies and killed and maimed thousands of jews before we ever entered Europe.

So I ask again, name one terrorist attack on the US with an Iraqi national responsible.

 

[Killer]

You never answered my question.

Once again you're going back to your analysis of something you know absolutely nothing about.

LOL...I have forgotten more in my lifetime than you have even learned yet.
(rofl2) I am over 40 years old and my father was a lifetime Marine. I would have been too...but he made me go to college instead.

So when it comes to these discussions I have a pretty good Idea of what I am am talking about. Not to mention politics is a hobby of mine.

 

[Donas64]

down boys. Lets be civil. I will say this though. While Iraq might not have played a direct part in the 9/11 attack, I don't think anyone will deny that Iraq has had several noted terrorist ties in the past. Al gore even alludes to this in the video I posted to open this thread. While I'm not certain Iraq was the right move to make immediatly following 9/11, I think its foolish to the that there were no terrorists or terrorist factions operating heavily within its borders wether Saddam liked them or not.

Wither we assume that or both Democrats and Republicans were incredibly wrong.

 

[xelderx]

Name one Nazi who did something to America before WWII.

Name one Nazi that did anything to America during the war. Not sure if I remember any Nazi attacks on American soil. Maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[Matthew1785]

Maybe it wasn't the best reason but its a fact that we has not the only one who thought that and to say he was is not being intellectually honest. There were several others (including Hillary Clinton) who believed Sadaam was hiding some sort of Chemical or Biological weaponry from the U.S weapons inspectors. Maybe they were wrong, maybe they were not. But its like looking for a needle in a haystack and I for one am not convinced that any such weapons were moved to syria. I could be wrong but is not an open shut case for me. There was something fishy going on there or maybe Sadaam was just lying through his teeth and it cost him his life.

As for Iraqi Civilian deaths, while they are tragic, we are not the ones killing them. Its not like we went in guns blazing cutting down civilians. True if we had not gone in there most of those people would still be alive today but thats like saying if we don't go into darfur, then less refugees will die because the people commiting genocide won't feel the need to retaliate so harshly if we don't interfere.

As for N. Korea., I think Kim Jong Ill saw what happened to Sadaam and saw that the international community was not on his side so he decided to put away his toys for now. You best believe that if he tried anything, he would have gotten a rude awakening from a lot of countries who were not very happy with him so he decided to play nice.

Thats exactly what he was doing, lying through his teeth.. saddam wanted to fool us into thinking he had WMAD's hence the reason why he always ushered out the UN when they came for inspections.. do you honestly think for a second saddam would want to appear weak in the eyes of a superpower??

Sure it costed him his life, but what about countless inocent others.. there was and never will be substantial proof he had WMAD's because he was infact lying out his bum.. So way to go Bush way to go on that one..

Personally i believe Bush invaded Iraq because Usama was with hard earned evidence hiding in the moutains of Tora Bora which obviously falls within Iraq borders.. When Usama got the hint that the Tribal Warlords that the US hired to track down and kill him, which mind you I believe these Tribal Warlords used this power that the US granted them to there advantage to help Usama escape into Iran.. Bush came up with this excuse that Saddam is holding WMAD's and really gave us the chance to control Iraq while Usama slipped right out of our hands..

And look.. look where its lead us.. sure Iraq has a "democracy" for now. if thats what you want to call, sure there is a civilan uprising and saddam is dead and so are his sons but at what cost? the lives of over 300,000 people and over 3,000 US soldiers.. All i can say is i hope the next president has a exit stratagy for the troops in Iraq..

My opinion might be flawed and but thats how i see how things went down

 

[Killer]

Thats exactly what he was doing, lying through his teeth.. saddam wanted to fool us into thinking he had WMAD's hence the reason why he always ushered out the UN when they came for inspections.. do you honestly think for a second saddam would want to appear weak in the eyes of a superpower??

Sure it costed him his life, but what about countless inocent others.. there was and never will be substantial proof he had WMAD's because he was infact lying out his bum.. So way to go Bush way to go on that one..

Personally i believe Bush invaded Iraq because Usama was with hard earned evidence hiding in the moutains of Tora Bora which obviously falls within Iraq borders.. When Usama got the hint that the Tribal Warlords that the US hired to track down and kill him, which mind you I believe these Tribal Warlords used this power that the US granted them to there advantage to help Usama escape into Iran.. Bush came up with this excuse that Saddam is holding WMAD's and really gave us the chance to control Iraq while Usama slipped right out of our hands..

And look.. look where its lead us.. sure Iraq has a "democracy" for now. if thats what you want to call, sure there is a civilan uprising and saddam is dead and so are his sons but at what cost? the lives of over 300,000 people and over 3,000 US soldiers.. All i can say is i hope the next president has a exit stratagy for the troops in Iraq..

My opinion might be flawed and but thats how i see how things went down

(werd)

 

[Killer]

Name one Nazi that did anything to America during the war. Not sure if I remember any Nazi attacks on American soil. Maybe I'm missing your point.

you are. (lol2)

 

[mspdfreak]

ww2 comparos are invalid. Islam or religious fanaticism was not at play. Also,
The nazis had invaded 3 of our allies and killed and maimed thousands of jews before we ever entered Europe.

So I ask again, name one terrorist attack on the US with an Iraqi national responsible.

It's called premptive war. Are we supposed to look the other way when murderous dictators kill thousands/millions?

 

[Killer]

It's called premptive war. Are we supposed to look the other way when murderous dictators kill thousands/millions?

cough* darfur cough* cough*

 

[Donas64]

cough* darfur cough* cough*

don't worry, we'll be going there soon enough too. I hope if things get worse after we intervene there all the people and hollywood types pleading for us to go in there have to stomach to actually gut this one out.

 

[ProtoType5]

Darfur would, hopefully, be an intervention of the world against genocide......Clear purpose, clear reason, clear goal... the result.....an unknown, but the purpose is obvious and clear. To be fully sucessful we would need to have direct help, advisement, and leadership from another Muslim country in the conflict and diplomacy with Sudan, or it will be another religion vs. religion war..Not a fight for human rights. Love thy enemy...They teach us patience and forgiveness...

 

[Donas64]

Darfur would, hopefully, be an intervention of the world against genocide......Clear purpose, clear reason, clear goal... the result.....an unknown, but the purpose is obvious and clear. To be fully sucessful we would need to have direct help, advisement, and leadership from another Muslim country in the conflict and diplomacy with Sudan, or it will be another religion vs. religion war..Not a fight for human rights. Love thy enemy...They teach us patience and forgiveness...

And if we don't get these things does that give us a pass?

I don't think the Muslim nations should wait for the leadership of "The Great Satan" before they realize the injustice being done to their own peoples.

I hope the Darfur situation pans out as out stated, the world uniting to combat genocide but somehow I see the US being turned into a scapegoat somehwhere down the line one way or another.

 

[Knox Joe]

LOL...I have forgotten more in my lifetime than you have even learned yet.
(rofl2) I am over 40 years old and my father was a lifetime Marine. I would have been too...but he made me go to college instead.

So when it comes to these discussions I have a pretty good Idea of what I am am talking about. Not to mention politics is a hobby of mine.

Does that mean you have first hand knowledge of what's going on over there?

No.

So your still speculating with your limited knowledge of your "hobby."(bike)




What does college have to do with anything?

I am a self made man, and have a better job than most people with Masters. So yeah, your college means absolutley nothing to me. I'm glad you're so proud of yourself though, to need to mention that. (dunno)(loser)



You've learned more than me in your life?(hah)

Do you know me?

Do you know what kind of business I run?

When you run a multi million dollar company get back to me.

Here ya' go.(second)


Oh my father was a Marine too.
Does that make me know more about the war, too?

Jeebus. Your out there man.

 

[Matthew1785]

Does that mean you have first hand knowledge of what's going on over there?

No.

So your still speculating with your limited knowledge of your "hobby."(bike)




What does college have to do with anything?

I am a self made man, and have a better job than most people with Masters. So yeah, your college means absolutley nothing to me. I'm glad you're so proud of yourself though, to need to mention that. (dunno)(loser)



You've learned more than me in your life?(hah)

Do you know me?

Do you know what kind of business I run?

When you run a multi million dollar company get back to me.

Here ya' go.(second)


Oh my father was a Marine too.
Does that make me know more about the war, too?

Jeebus. Your out there man.

enough with the E-ego's this is a political debate who care if you run some multi-million $ company stay on topic for cryin out loud

 

[Killer]

enough with the E-ego's this is a political debate who care if you run some multi-million $ company stay on topic for cryin out loud

(werd)

 

[Killer]

Does that mean you have first hand knowledge of what's going on over there?

No.

Do you? If so how?

So your still speculating with your limited knowledge of your "hobby."(bike)

The info on iraq is everywhere man. (google)

What does college have to do with anything?

In the context of this conversation I guess nothing. My bad.

I am a self made man, and have a better job than most people with Masters. So yeah, your college means absolutley nothing to me. I'm glad you're so proud of yourself though, to need to mention that. (dunno)(loser)

I am proud of myself. (dunno)

You've learned more than me in your life?(hah)

Do you know me?

Do you know what kind of business I run?

When you run a multi million dollar company get back to me.

Here ya' go.(second)

No..I am just basing my opinion on the quality (Or lack thereof) of your posts. Just out of curiosity what is this "Multi-Million dollar company" that you run called? Got a link?

Oh my father was a Marine too.
Does that make me know more about the war, too?

It helps you understand how the war machine works.

Jeebus. Your out there man.

(silly)