they have a site but its never really open for anything to look at... just do a search on ion... u can read all about it on the forum.... no problem this is what hte forum is for helping one another out.. i get my car from mazda hopefully monday so hopefully i can get it in a shop and they can tell me whats wrong with it.. so probably a month or two b4 its fixed and ready to roll.
Aftermarket B.O.Vs
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where do i go to read all about the ion exhaust/fmic in this forum? also is the exhaust 3" all the way back or what size is it. that sux about your car but when it's all said and done and your doin lik 14's or i dont kno but you are running with one of the fastest msp then it wil lall be worth it!!!!!!
Striker187
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doggman - yes, if you get the greddy emanage, you should without a doubt be able to run a bov vented to atm. the emanage has an anti-stall function which i believe refers to it being able to pull fuel when a bov opens, thus eliminating stalling. just note that the emanage will only control fuel, not timing. apparently spool can't figure out a way to make the timing option work. our car is very stubborn. contact spool as to when it will be available.
you'll need a boost gauge to tell you what psi you are running. electronic or manual, it doesn't really matter, they do the same thing. couple advantages of the electronic are that you can adjust the boost from the comfort of your car and it generally won't spike as high as a mbc. but an mbc is cheap (to buy or make) and works quite well for those on a budget. most electronic boost controllers also allow for the setting of two different boost levels, a hi and low, with the ability to change between them on the fly. a mbc, you'll have to get out of your car, adjust the mbc manually with an allen wrench or something simliar usually, and get back in and see how the psi changed. essentially limiting you to one psi setting at a time. however, turboxs makes a dual stage boost controller (dsbc). basically, two of their mbcs put together, allowing you to change between settings at the flip of a switch.....and it's a very cool looking switch at that. that's what i want
ryan - with forged internals and the right fuel management, you should be able to run up to about 20 psi. i heard a rumor that our iron block could take up to that amount. also, if you're gonna spend that much money, might as well get the haltech e6k or something simliar. if you're gonna go all out, might as well do it right. and get a wideband o2 sensor as well. then you can adjust your car as much as you want and not have to worry.
you'll need a boost gauge to tell you what psi you are running. electronic or manual, it doesn't really matter, they do the same thing. couple advantages of the electronic are that you can adjust the boost from the comfort of your car and it generally won't spike as high as a mbc. but an mbc is cheap (to buy or make) and works quite well for those on a budget. most electronic boost controllers also allow for the setting of two different boost levels, a hi and low, with the ability to change between them on the fly. a mbc, you'll have to get out of your car, adjust the mbc manually with an allen wrench or something simliar usually, and get back in and see how the psi changed. essentially limiting you to one psi setting at a time. however, turboxs makes a dual stage boost controller (dsbc). basically, two of their mbcs put together, allowing you to change between settings at the flip of a switch.....and it's a very cool looking switch at that. that's what i want
ryan - with forged internals and the right fuel management, you should be able to run up to about 20 psi. i heard a rumor that our iron block could take up to that amount. also, if you're gonna spend that much money, might as well get the haltech e6k or something simliar. if you're gonna go all out, might as well do it right. and get a wideband o2 sensor as well. then you can adjust your car as much as you want and not have to worry.
Striker187
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ion's exhaust is the one true turboback available. it doesn't bolt up to the s-bend as all the others do; it bolts up directly to the turbo. and it's 3" all the way. i forget what kind of muffler they use. and with all that done to his car, ryan should be breaking into the 13s! 
Striker187 said:doggman - yes, if you get the greddy emanage, you should without a doubt be able to run a bov vented to atm. the emanage has an anti-stall function which i believe refers to it being able to pull fuel when a bov opens, thus eliminating stalling. just note that the emanage will only control fuel, not timing. apparently spool can't figure out a way to make the timing option work. our car is very stubborn. contact spool as to when it will be available.
you'll need a boost gauge to tell you what psi you are running. electronic or manual, it doesn't really matter, they do the same thing. couple advantages of the electronic are that you can adjust the boost from the comfort of your car and it generally won't spike as high as a mbc. but an mbc is cheap (to buy or make) and works quite well for those on a budget. most electronic boost controllers also allow for the setting of two different boost levels, a hi and low, with the ability to change between them on the fly. a mbc, you'll have to get out of your car, adjust the mbc manually with an allen wrench or something simliar usually, and get back in and see how the psi changed. essentially limiting you to one psi setting at a time. however, turboxs makes a dual stage boost controller (dsbc). basically, two of their mbcs put together, allowing you to change between settings at the flip of a switch.....and it's a very cool looking switch at that. that's what i want
ryan - with forged internals and the right fuel management, you should be able to run up to about 20 psi. i heard a rumor that our iron block could take up to that amount. also, if you're gonna spend that much money, might as well get the haltech e6k or something simliar. if you're gonna go all out, might as well do it right. and get a wideband o2 sensor as well. then you can adjust your car as much as you want and not have to worry.
yes but with only 6k its gonna be hard to include that as well,, i'll run it off the factory ecu for awhile.. then i'll go standalone,, i cant afford the laptop and the rest of what i would need to make the car fully adjustable.. so one step at a time..
search ion on the forum for their stuff... yes its a 3" turbo back exhaust 3" all the way back.
btw for the one night i ran through atlanta if i were to trade the car in right now and take a major loss... i would still say it was worth it all, for the one night adreniline rush thats gonna be hard to top... it was all worth it...
hey striker what is the deal with the timming? will this effect anything? they way our car is setup it probably will lol. but in any case im happy to kno that if i get the emanage i can get te rfl. YESSSSSSS PSSSHHHHH here i come well when the emanage comes in then i can get the psssh but it will be well worth the wait.
oh s*** i forgot to mention underdrive pulleys too woohoo i have to do those... im guessing when all is said and done i'll be pushing low 8's 1/8 mile and probably like striker said mid - high 13's... thats when i get ballzee and though on a nitrous express or zex system... and co2 spray in the fmic. 
-wicked evil grin-
-wicked evil grin-Striker187
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doggman - yes, timing will affect how your car will run. it can prevent you from throwing a rod through the side of the block 
fuel and timing generally go hand in hand but with fuel alone, that should be enough to give you a good but safe operation point. our car runs insanely rich already so you'll be able to adjust that problem right away....just don't get overzealous
ryan- true true. one step at a time. but correct me if i'm wrong, aren't underdrive pulleys a no no on turbo cars? i forget the reason why but i remember reading this on the forums.
fuel and timing generally go hand in hand but with fuel alone, that should be enough to give you a good but safe operation point. our car runs insanely rich already so you'll be able to adjust that problem right away....just don't get overzealous ryan- true true. one step at a time. but correct me if i'm wrong, aren't underdrive pulleys a no no on turbo cars? i forget the reason why but i remember reading this on the forums.
doggman said:
wrong the ecu will make up for that our cars run way to rich as it is.. it will continue to be overly rich when u increase the boost the ecu compensates throughing more fuel... u can't blow it up that way.
now once u crank it so high that the injectors cant open wide enuf to release enuf fuel then u could get into some leaning issues but thats gonna be nearly impossible... until u get to a point were im gonna be at after the rebuild.
Striker187
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if i'm not mistaken, the computer should dump more fuel to account for the extra airflow, to a point of course. if not, since our car runs super rich anyways, by upping the boost, you may get a better a/f ratio (something closer to 12:1). i think we're at 10:1 or even lower maybe.....
i think some in this thread people could benefit from http://www.bellengineering.net/maximumboost.html
modding the driver is the best way to go
modding the driver is the best way to go
ok acouple Q's. First, you kno the vacuum line that runs from the bpv to the something well mine go tore off by one of my friends. we tried another line that was stricly hose and that tore so now i have no line connected to the bpv. will this cause the engine lite to go on and will this effect the car in anyway. Second, with the emanage how do i kno how to adjust the fuel mixtures with it. does it have a read out tht will tell me what the air/fuel mixture is right now or how will that work. what will be a good running mixture.
but its not effecting the injectors its better to have injectors that are fully open than to have larger injectors open just a lil... u shoudl know that.
u really dont need to upgrade the injectors till about 15 and up psi... i think the stock ones will do for 15.. and lower... just my opinion not a professional one just how i feel about it.
u really dont need to upgrade the injectors till about 15 and up psi... i think the stock ones will do for 15.. and lower... just my opinion not a professional one just how i feel about it.
im not trusting them for daily driving at 15psi, at the track for a run or 2 or a dyno pull or so then yea, it's fine, but daily driving i don't want my injectors at more than 100% duty cycle. the stock injectors are really small for a turbo car. if you compute the duty cycle, they're almost maxed out already on stock boost. i'm not trusting them over 10psi, but i'd rather not blow up my motor so i err on the side of cautionRyan said:
Striker187
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doggman - you'll more than likely want a pro to tune the emanage fuel map for you. you use a laptop to program it. but i think with spool's program, it will come fully programmed so no tuning necessary, though adjustments may need to be made depending on your mods.
without the vacuum line connected, your bpv won't open. the bpv stays closed by either the use of a spring or in hks's design, the boost pressure helps to hold the valve closed. but to open it, the bpv needs the vacuum pressure to pull the valve open (i.e. when you let off the throttle). so essentially, i think you'll be running without a bpv.
without the vacuum line connected, your bpv won't open. the bpv stays closed by either the use of a spring or in hks's design, the boost pressure helps to hold the valve closed. but to open it, the bpv needs the vacuum pressure to pull the valve open (i.e. when you let off the throttle). so essentially, i think you'll be running without a bpv.
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