A/C & PS are gone!
- Thread starter Black Majik MSP
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+1 to this....did any of the other/older bj protege's have manual steering racks? ive been thinking about taking mine off if i could find one
S_C_I_P_I_O79
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It appears that I have not posted in a very long time, so I will take a few moments to ask a question or two 
Yes I know this is a old thread, sorry.
- This extra strain would be at the pinion correct? If not where?
After reviewing other car forum threads around the interwebs on the p/s delete subject, it seems doable as long as some ATF remains to keep the internals wet.
- Anyone know how Black Majik's steering rack holding up with this mod?
Yes I know this is a old thread, sorry.- This extra strain would be at the pinion correct? If not where?
After reviewing other car forum threads around the interwebs on the p/s delete subject, it seems doable as long as some ATF remains to keep the internals wet.
- Anyone know how Black Majik's steering rack holding up with this mod?
Wow... old thread...
Like someone mentioned without the PS fluid the rack won't be properly lubricated, the OP also didn't even do the poor mans conversion by looping the lines so any dirt and grime that decided to find its way into his steering rack had a wide open door. Additionally manual and PS systems are inherently different. I know on some (I'm assuming most, possibly all) PS racks the steering shaft has a weak point that is designed to twist and tell the ECU just how much effort is being used to turn at that point. It uses that information to decide how much assistance to give with the steering. That's why at low speeds you'll get more assistance, and at high speeds the PS is hardly working at all. Over last winter I sent my FD's PS rack out to be converted to a manual rack, part of the conversion process is welding that to make it stronger so it won't break, or cause slop in the steering itself.
Now if you want to delete the PS properly you can send it off to a place and have it converted to a true manual steering rack. The biggest advantage is that by having it converted to a true manual rack it actually makes the steering lighter than if you just unplug the lines or even loop them. It will still be heavier than PS obviously but well worth the money to have it not be a looped setup. I sent mine to Maval Gear in Ohio, they did an AMAZING job on the conversion. welded all of the unused ports and then smoothed them over, powdercoated the entire rack, new inner tie-rods, new boots, came back 100x better than I sent it out
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Realistically deleting the PS just isn't worth it for most people. The only true advantage to doing a manual steering conversion is to increase road feel, specifically for road racing. While I daily drive my FD during the summer it also spends a lot of time on the track, so this was a worthwhile thing to do for me. If you don't do a lot of road racing, it's just not worth it. HP gains are almost nonexistent, weight savings won't amount to anything, and what are you really going to do with that extra space? Furthermore power steering can be really helpful for autoxing, which is where a car like the MS Protege really shines, so it really only hurts the performance of the MSP in my opinion. I still autox my FD but definitely notice a big difference from last season. The last event I was at required quite a lot of effort to get around a few of the turns, enough that it is obvious I'm struggling to get the car turned quickly from my in car video. On top of being a handful on the autox course it's also a lot different on the street. You know those times where your tires catch a rut in the road, or hit a pot hole and pull to one side? Well without the PS if you don't have both hands on the wheel and are somewhat prepared for it, recovering the wheel can be very daunting. No more one handed driving, or steering with your knee while fiddling with something in the car, if you're not ready all the time things could go bad very quickly.
Like someone mentioned without the PS fluid the rack won't be properly lubricated, the OP also didn't even do the poor mans conversion by looping the lines so any dirt and grime that decided to find its way into his steering rack had a wide open door. Additionally manual and PS systems are inherently different. I know on some (I'm assuming most, possibly all) PS racks the steering shaft has a weak point that is designed to twist and tell the ECU just how much effort is being used to turn at that point. It uses that information to decide how much assistance to give with the steering. That's why at low speeds you'll get more assistance, and at high speeds the PS is hardly working at all. Over last winter I sent my FD's PS rack out to be converted to a manual rack, part of the conversion process is welding that to make it stronger so it won't break, or cause slop in the steering itself.
Now if you want to delete the PS properly you can send it off to a place and have it converted to a true manual steering rack. The biggest advantage is that by having it converted to a true manual rack it actually makes the steering lighter than if you just unplug the lines or even loop them. It will still be heavier than PS obviously but well worth the money to have it not be a looped setup. I sent mine to Maval Gear in Ohio, they did an AMAZING job on the conversion. welded all of the unused ports and then smoothed them over, powdercoated the entire rack, new inner tie-rods, new boots, came back 100x better than I sent it out
.Realistically deleting the PS just isn't worth it for most people. The only true advantage to doing a manual steering conversion is to increase road feel, specifically for road racing. While I daily drive my FD during the summer it also spends a lot of time on the track, so this was a worthwhile thing to do for me. If you don't do a lot of road racing, it's just not worth it. HP gains are almost nonexistent, weight savings won't amount to anything, and what are you really going to do with that extra space? Furthermore power steering can be really helpful for autoxing, which is where a car like the MS Protege really shines, so it really only hurts the performance of the MSP in my opinion. I still autox my FD but definitely notice a big difference from last season. The last event I was at required quite a lot of effort to get around a few of the turns, enough that it is obvious I'm struggling to get the car turned quickly from my in car video. On top of being a handful on the autox course it's also a lot different on the street. You know those times where your tires catch a rut in the road, or hit a pot hole and pull to one side? Well without the PS if you don't have both hands on the wheel and are somewhat prepared for it, recovering the wheel can be very daunting. No more one handed driving, or steering with your knee while fiddling with something in the car, if you're not ready all the time things could go bad very quickly.
POLARBEARsMP3
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i just took my AC off also about how much power can u get by that not being there
Not enough for it to be worth while on a DD.
