2008 WRX vs. 2007 MS3 by Inside Line Video

[civic si hb]

Speaking of which the new 335i twin turbo 300hp is awesome! and FAST. How does the MS3 stack up from a roll? I know those things do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. But how do you guys do once your moving.

Trap speeds are 100mph vs 105mph. (edmunds)

you'll most likely keep up with one. The trap speed in the MS3 can be very deceiving. The reason of the lower trap speed on the ms3 is because you are boost limited in 1st and 2nd(10lbs) from 3rd up you get full boost(15lbs). So if racing say a 60mph up roll the MS3 will keep up with a car that traps 104/105mph. I've done it quite a few time with mine so far.

 

[Haltech]

Speaking of which the new 335i twin turbo 300hp is awesome! and FAST. How does the MS3 stack up from a roll? I know those things do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. But how do you guys do once your moving.

Trap speeds are 100mph vs 105mph. (edmunds)

I took one down on a toll road from a 65 MPH roll.. Took him all the way to 120 than backed off.. He was about 2 cars behind me. I havent had a chance to race from a dig or a low mph roll. The 335 is faster than the M3. They are not slow, but a stock MS3 wont be able to take one down.

 

[Rotary_Powered]

MS3+ MS CAI = Win lol.

 

[ragindark]

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11731/2007-bmw-335i-sedan-specs-page2.html

2007 BMW 335i Sedan

Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.8 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 26.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing -mile: 13.5 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.89 g


http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/11587/2007-bmw-335i-coupe-specs-page2.html

2007 BMW 335i Coupe

Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing -mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 144 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft


http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtes...35i-coupe-automatic-specifications-page5.html

2007 BMW 335i Coupe Automatic

Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 26.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Standing -mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g


http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...pec-v-vs-2007-mazdaspeed-3-grand-touring.html

2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Grand Touring

Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 29.0 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.0 sec
Standing -mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 151 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 162 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g


http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12399/2007-mazdaspeed-3.html

2007 Mazdaspeed 3

Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.8 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.9 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
Standing -mile: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 167 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g


http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/11724/2007-mazdaspeed-3-specs-page4.html

2007 Mazdaspeed 3

Zero to 30 mph 2.3
40 mph 3.4
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.8
70 mph 7.2
80 mph 9.3
90 mph 11.4
100 mph 14.8
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.9
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.7
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 10.6
50-70 mph: 6.8
Standing 1/4 mile: 14.4 sec@ 99 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 155 mph

 

[MS6S2K]

What ive been gathering is a lot of people have respect for the MS3 and are beginning to recognize them. They are only going to get faster and dont be surprised to see STis and EVOs getting ***** by them in the future.

I'm having SRT-4 deja bu when reading something like this. However, the power and potential of the SRT-4 cheaper and easier. I think you are forgetting how simple it is to modify an STI and EVO. They are WAY ahead of the Speed3, and will always have more capability.

EVOS and STIS are getting FASTER and FASTER too, and the newer models are coming out with even MORE potential. You aren't gonna find too many stock STIS and EVOS. The EVO, with it's 16G turbo, can be turned into a highway rolling monster with a tuning change if desired. The STI even with it's smaller turbo can still be very effective from a roll if tuned properly. the Cobb AP gives you total tuning control, and you can change what it is stock, even without adding HP. Sure you'd lose 1/4 mile, but if you wanna roll with it, YOU CAN. I want to see Cobb do that to the Speed 3 and 6.

People always wanna match up with the big boys with their more affordable pocket rockets, so what I see here is the same thing I saw when the SRT-4 was out.

As for the 08 WRX. It has all seasons, they didn't bump the HP, and Subaru wanted it that way. They have Mazda beat as far as tunability and HP , so Mazda is not a threat to them in any way. It's gonna outsell the Speed 3 because no offense, but Subaru builds more durable and proven high HP cars at this point. Not sure why Subaru didn't add HP to the 08 WRX, but I guess they didn't need to. It is a detuned STI, so a Cobb AP will most definitely add 25whp safely and effectively without even feeling like you modified car.

 

[civic si hb]

As for the 08 WRX. It has all seasons, they didn't bump the HP, and Subaru wanted it that way. They have Mazda beat as far as tunability and HP , so Mazda is not a threat to them in any way. It's gonna outsell the Speed 3 because no offense, but Subaru builds more durable and proven high HP cars at this point. Not sure why Subaru didn't add HP to the 08 WRX, but I guess they didn't need to. It is a detuned STI, so a Cobb AP will most definitely add 25whp safely and effectively without even feeling like you modified car.

LOL, the MS3 runs pig rich, here's a STOCK MS3 with just a proper tune on it(nothing else),289 whp and 310 lbs of TQ

And here is a full stage 2 STI( turboback exhaust and full tune) putting down 278HP and 316 LBs of TQ.

I don't see the MS3 having a issue putting down more HP and TQ with basic boltons and a tune any time soon over a STI
Granted the Xede is not plug in play yet but that'll be coming down the road soon enough.

 

[Haltech]

I'm having SRT-4 deja bu when reading something like this. However, the power and potential of the SRT-4 cheaper and easier. I think you are forgetting how simple it is to modify an STI and EVO. They are WAY ahead of the Speed3, and will always have more capability.

EVOS and STIS are getting FASTER and FASTER too, and the newer models are coming out with even MORE potential. You aren't gonna find too many stock STIS and EVOS. The EVO, with it's 16G turbo, can be turned into a highway rolling monster with a tuning change if desired. The STI even with it's smaller turbo can still be very effective from a roll if tuned properly. the Cobb AP gives you total tuning control, and you can change what it is stock, even without adding HP. Sure you'd lose 1/4 mile, but if you wanna roll with it, YOU CAN. I want to see Cobb do that to the Speed 3 and 6.

People always wanna match up with the big boys with their more affordable pocket rockets, so what I see here is the same thing I saw when the SRT-4 was out.

As for the 08 WRX. It has all seasons, they didn't bump the HP, and Subaru wanted it that way. They have Mazda beat as far as tunability and HP , so Mazda is not a threat to them in any way. It's gonna outsell the Speed 3 because no offense, but Subaru builds more durable and proven high HP cars at this point. Not sure why Subaru didn't add HP to the 08 WRX, but I guess they didn't need to. It is a detuned STI, so a Cobb AP will most definitely add 25whp safely and effectively without even feeling like you modified car.

Got a $100 and a paypal account? We can make this into a wager... STIs & EVOs.. the worlds most overated cars... (idhitit) Let the raping begin...

 

[civic si hb]

Got a $100 and a paypal account? We can make this into a wager... STIs & EVOs.. the worlds most overated cars... (idhitit) Let the raping begin...

LOL, especially the STI!!! My buddy has a 2007 STI with Intake,catback and cobb stage1 and we did 3 friendly 60mph and up pulls and every time i had 1 to 1.5 car lengths on him= good times (cabpatch)

 

[clos561]

all those cars are alot more than ms3 too

 

[MS6S2K]

Got a $100 and a paypal account? We can make this into a wager... STIs & EVOs.. the worlds most overated cars... (idhitit) Let the raping begin...

I'm a gambler. Lets make it 10 grand. I drive my buddie's 530whp EVO, and watch your lights go down hard. Seriously, don't talk trash. THhose cars are not overrated. If all you wanna do is roll on a highway, then yeah, save your money and buy a Speed 3. You'll get your ass handed to you in a 1/4 mile mods vs mods no matter what you do, and in turns you're always gonna be toast. The aftermarket support is far superior as well, so stop talking like a fanboi and think like a real enthusiast here.

 

[MS6S2K]

LOL, especially the STI!!! My buddy has a 2007 STI with Intake,catback and cobb stage1 and we did 3 friendly 60mph and up pulls and every time i had 1 to 1.5 car lengths on him= good times (cabpatch)

The STI has a fast spooling smaller turbo. It's not meant to roll. If that's what you really wanted, you can make the STI pull. it's starting to look like MS3 owners are the next generation SRT-4 owners. Ashame really. What happened to respecting other cars for their purpose.

 

[FRUCTOSE]

I'm a gambler. Lets make it 10 grand. I drive my buddie's 530whp EVO, and watch your lights go down hard. Seriously, don't talk trash. THhose cars are not overrated. If all you wanna do is roll on a highway, then yeah, save your money and buy a Speed 3. You'll get your ass handed to you in a 1/4 mile mods vs mods no matter what you do, and in turns you're always gonna be toast. The aftermarket support is far superior as well, so stop talking like a fanboi and think like a real enthusiast here.

The 1/4 miles races yes I agree 100%. Now on the turns I don't think there would be any toasting. I think it would be close...

 

[civic si hb]

The STI has a fast spooling smaller turbo. It's not meant to roll. If that's what you really wanted, you can make the STI pull. it's starting to look like MS3 owners are the next generation SRT-4 owners. Ashame really. What happened to respecting other cars for their purpose.

Not even close as far as the comment goes about the srt-4 owners. You noticed i said nothing about the EVO? I have plenty of friends with EVO's and with $2000.00 in mods or so you'll be putting down 330 to 350whp(evo9). It takes alot more money to get the STI in that kind of range of power compared to a EVO, that's why i'm not impressed with the STI but am very impressed with the EVO.

 

[MS6S2K]

LOL, the MS3 runs pig rich, here's a STOCK MS3 with just a proper tune on it(nothing else),289 whp and 310 lbs of TQ

And here is a full stage 2 STI( turboback exhaust and full tune) putting down 278HP and 316 LBs of TQ.

I don't see the MS3 having a issue putting down more HP and TQ with basic boltons and a tune any time soon over a STI
Granted the Xede is not plug in play yet but that'll be coming down the road soon enough.

Ever drive an STI, then drive a Speed 3 or 6? The STI at stage 1 or two feels like it came that way from a factory. They run very rich yes, but they don't have the consistency yet like SUbaru Technica International has. All in due time though I hope. These cars need some fine tuning.

Jump on an STI forum. You'll see many putting out more then that. Most are in the 350whp range and higher by now. The enemy of that car is the turbo. It's also why the car is so reliable too. Slap a GT35R in it. Yes it cosats more money to mod an STI as opposed to an EVO, because of the turbo, but fact is, bolt ons are available, and the potential is there. Oh well, what's the use. You can't have a sensible discussion about a superior car without people getting their panties in a bunch. I tried though. FLAME ON!!!

 

[civic si hb]

Ever drive an STI, then drive a Speed 3 or 6? The STI at stage 1 or two feels like it came that way from a factory. They run very rich yes, but they don't have the consistency yet like SUbaru Technica International has. All in due time though I hope. These cars need some fine tuning.

Jump on an STI forum. You'll see many putting out more then that. Most are in the 350whp range and higher by now. The enemy of that car is the turbo. It's also why the car is so reliable too. Slap a GT35R in it. Oh well, what's the use. You can't have a sensible discussion about a superior car without people getting their panties in a bunch. I tried though. FLAME ON!!!

No one is flamming as far as i can see but these discussions could go on all day. Slap this turbo on this car......., upgrade to this and you'll be at......It's endless and a big penis war.

I mean no disrespect to anyone on here. I'm just way more inpress with the EVO over the STI for price vs performace value and the MS3 for the about of performance that you get for just about $10K less compared to a STI.

 

[MS6S2K]

No one is flamming as far as i can see but these discussions could go on all day. Slap this turbo on this car......., upgrade to this and you'll be at......It's endless and a big penis war

Well, I've seen people willing to invest money in their STI, and make it a monster. However, then people use the "well I didn't have to spend as much", and what not. I just don't understand the defensiveness, and finding the weakness of another car to try and prove your penis is bigger. It makes no sense.

I happen to think very highly of the Speed 3, and I love my Speed 6. However, as a pure enthusiast car to take to track and race, the EVO and STI are superior. Like it or not, 1/4 mile is the mac daddy. Rolling on the highway is just dangerous silly street racing, and really doesn't mean as much.

When all is said and done, you gotta go by 1/4 mile, and the fact is, mods for mods, no fwd car, especially the Speed 3 is gonna come close. If rolling power is your thing, and funds are limited, then you got the right car. It's an absolute gem for the money.

 

[FRUCTOSE]

As far as engines go on power. The 4g63 is great and has been for years. I don't think the mzr engine will have trouble making power (after the fuel problem is fixed). The ej25 seems to be one of there beter engines and can make some power but not as easy as the 4g63. Only time will tell on the mzr so I'm not going to say it's better or worse then either, but it does look pretty easy to make power on.

 

[MS6S2K]

To end, I can totally see why people would rather buy an MS3, save 8-9 grand, use that money to mod, and have a car just as fast. However, if you are really into 1/4 mile drag, autocrossing, ect ect, you gotta pay to play. The EVO and STI are so well built, and they come with so many features and mods most of us don't need, so therefore the Speed 3 makes more sense to your average enthusiast.

From what I've read, the Speed 3 chassis isn't ready for the kind of super heavy modding anyway. It's just not as solid of a foundation, and doesn't have the racing heritage like the STI and EVO.

You really get what you pay for in the end, and what you wanna spend and what suits your needs is a subjective thing. No right or wrong. I downgraded by getting a Speed 6 instead of a new STI, but for me I felt the same way. For a daily driver, why waste the money, when I can make this car fast in a straight line, spend less, and look better while I'm at it. Is it fair for me to state that as fact? HELL NO. I'm objective enough to understand why people love and buy cars like the EVO and STI, just as I understand the people on here. Ok, this has been fun guys. PEACE!!!!

 

[Haltech]

I'm a gambler. Lets make it 10 grand. I drive my buddie's 530whp EVO, and watch your lights go down hard. Seriously, don't talk trash. THhose cars are not overrated. If all you wanna do is roll on a highway, then yeah, save your money and buy a Speed 3. You'll get your ass handed to you in a 1/4 mile mods vs mods no matter what you do, and in turns you're always gonna be toast. The aftermarket support is far superior as well, so stop talking like a fanboi and think like a real enthusiast here.

Make it $20 Grand and ill bring my Lightning... Ever had your ass kicked badly by a truck? Better yet, grab the pink slip, ill make an example out of that ugly ass car with the tenticles on the roof.

Youre sounding like an idiot with my dad can beat up your dad type of comment.. What you fail to grasp in this discussion is very few people have a 500HP evo.. However, the avg EVO and STI are overated and if you dont agree, than so be it.

 

[FRUCTOSE]

Make it $20 Grand and ill bring my Lightning... Ever had your ass kicked badly by a truck? Better yet, grab the pink slip, ill make an example out of that ugly ass car with the tenticles on the roof.

Youre sounding like an idiot with my dad can beat up your dad type of comment.. What you fail to grasp in this discussion is very few people have a 500HP evo.. However, the avg EVO and STI are overated and if you dont agree, than so be it.

I don't know, in the 1/4 mile a 540whp awd is gonna be hard to beat. I know your Lightning isn't slow but it would take a lot to beat an awd 500+ hp car. That car is prob. a good low 10 or high 9 sec car. Even from a roll the evo's are good, 4g63's have good top end power.