Young Roids
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This is rediculous already. I still have yet to see even 1 independent dyno of the Cobb Ap. WTF is taking so long?(headshake
So how long has the Cobb AP been out now? And still no dynos?
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Young Roids
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lololol
I was thinking the same thing. It's some giant Cobb based conspiracy!
I was thinking the same thing. It's some giant Cobb based conspiracy!
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To be honest I dont think people are all that happy with the results from the AP and spending another $100 to prove what they thought is not at the top of the list of things to do,Or maybe thats just me..Im still on the fence on keeping this AP.
Young Roids
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YEa, I haven't seen anything that makes me want to go out and buy one. I was hoping for some dynos to see if it maybe made more power than advertised.
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I think most everyone are a bit disappointed in the results from the MS3 AP or maybe we were just expecting to much.Mazda did a better job tuning then we all thought.
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no offense and not to say 'told ya so', but people really shouldn't have been expecting the second coming of the messiah with initial release of the Accessport. it was known for months that it would not launch with any method for the user or shop to tune the system. the rx8 accessport did not show any better gains when it was released a few weeks back and the stage 1 gains are on par with several other of the stage 1 gains from thier other Accessports on other cars. why the mazdaspeed3 was going to be markedly different or superior out of the gate, i don't see why anyone thought that.
there is a reason why the AP is tuned the way it is the same reason why Mazda tuned the factory ECU the way it is. the tune has to be able to be used by the customer in Anchorage, AK the same way the guy in Miami, FL. ECUs, reflashed or otherwise, need to be able to make adjustments for the infinite variety of conditions that these cars could encounter and are limited by the range of the sensors and the limitations of the ECU itself - thus your maps are going to be very conservative in order to accomodate everyone. This is why you should, for the best results, be tuned specifically for your conditions, your parts, your climate and your driving habits. 99.9% of the time this will always yield a much better result on and off the dyno than an off the shelf map ever will.
this is not Accessport bashing by any means. I feel that the unit has untapped potential that will really be realized once the software is released to the public and shops. newer maps are available from cobb already if i am not mistaken and will likely continue to trickle out as time goes on. i would not give up on the unit, but as a customer's point of view it is hard to justify $700 for something you simply cannot tune.
there is a reason why the AP is tuned the way it is the same reason why Mazda tuned the factory ECU the way it is. the tune has to be able to be used by the customer in Anchorage, AK the same way the guy in Miami, FL. ECUs, reflashed or otherwise, need to be able to make adjustments for the infinite variety of conditions that these cars could encounter and are limited by the range of the sensors and the limitations of the ECU itself - thus your maps are going to be very conservative in order to accomodate everyone. This is why you should, for the best results, be tuned specifically for your conditions, your parts, your climate and your driving habits. 99.9% of the time this will always yield a much better result on and off the dyno than an off the shelf map ever will.
this is not Accessport bashing by any means. I feel that the unit has untapped potential that will really be realized once the software is released to the public and shops. newer maps are available from cobb already if i am not mistaken and will likely continue to trickle out as time goes on. i would not give up on the unit, but as a customer's point of view it is hard to justify $700 for something you simply cannot tune.
no map updates but a very minor firmware update. i havn't dynoed mine but then i wasnt intending on it nor have i dynoed mine stock. but im not a peak numbers kind of guy. i guess thats why the AP appealed to me it was direct plug in and go, solves some drivability issues and minor power inprovements. im sure thats how a lot of the others that bought the AP were, realizing it wasnt a peak thing.
Young Roids
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Can't you go back to stock with a push of the button with AP therefore allowing you to do a stock dyno and a stage 1 dyno?
theoretically you could but it's not the best idea since flashing resets the ECU. it would have to learn everything all over again and probably wouldn't give true numbers on the dyno.
"makes minor power improvements..." isn't that the perfect excuse for all of the peoeple who bought an AP and are trying to justify their spending $700.00 for nothing. I mean, whats the point? Why spend $700.00 at all? Before release, everyone was praying to the "cobble cobble" gods for this thing to be released. Then when it actually is released, the fans all cry, "I didn't buy it for a power mod..." "We all knew it wouldn't make any power" Thats funny.
Regardless, of the accessports out of the box power increase, consumers that purchase the accessport prior to the tuner software being released are not getting an entire evaluation of the product they purchased. After, the tuner software becomes available there are still going to be a multitude of shops that will not tune the accessport. Personally, i'd find a performance shop that I was comfortable with and check with them on their tuning ability/recommendations on any after market ems before purchase.
If you are really serious about making power with the MS3, you have to get custom tuned. I think that, in all honesty, there aren't that many people that fall into the mod level that the Cobb OTS maps tune for. Once the pro-tuning software is available, I think that more people will be running it with much better gains.
Well after driving around lastnight and getting nothing but wheelsspin in 1,2 gear. I'm stock with cobb sri right now. Have the AP sitting been debating wether to install it or not. I'm not sure why ppl are bitching about not being able to light em up in second anymore with the ap. Theres nothing more frustrating for me coming from a car that hooks (STi) than spinng and not gettin down the damn road! lol I think I have just decided to go ahead and install my ap and give it a shot. if they've tamed the wheel spin in the first 2 gears while making the higher gears strong, I'm having a hard time seeing how it CANT get down the road better.
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i ment what i said. i dont buy it swamp, has friends i mean come on. hes a jack ass (look at his pic) playing... what kind of gains are YOU getting from YOUR standback.
and i knew from the begining that cobb wasnt going to give us the most power out of there off the shelf maps. but what they did give us is a way to get gains and make car more refined without cutting and splicing into the cars electricle harness. ive had some bad experiance with piggyback and splicing into the harness before fortunently it wasnt my car so i had no say on what my friend did to his car.
im running stage 2+ and there are gains i just reverted back to stock baybass valve and its buts you in the seat a little more. i couldnt asighn a number to it but thats beacuse i havnt done any dynos. my guess in a 30-90 mph run it would add a car leagth or two.
and i knew from the begining that cobb wasnt going to give us the most power out of there off the shelf maps. but what they did give us is a way to get gains and make car more refined without cutting and splicing into the cars electricle harness. ive had some bad experiance with piggyback and splicing into the harness before fortunently it wasnt my car so i had no say on what my friend did to his car.
im running stage 2+ and there are gains i just reverted back to stock baybass valve and its buts you in the seat a little more. i couldnt asighn a number to it but thats beacuse i havnt done any dynos. my guess in a 30-90 mph run it would add a car leagth or two.
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