So how long has the Cobb AP been out now? And still no dynos?

[desperado-c]

"makes minor power improvements..." isn't that the perfect excuse for all of the peoeple who bought an AP and are trying to justify their spending $700.00 for nothing. I mean, whats the point? Why spend $700.00 at all? Before release, everyone was praying to the "cobble cobble" gods for this thing to be released. Then when it actually is released, the fans all cry, "I didn't buy it for a power mod..." "We all knew it wouldn't make any power" Thats funny.

There are big two reasons and as the Captain states, neither applies right now: Race tuning s/w with any mods and Pro tuning s/w if you're gonna ever do the TBE/FMIC mods or a bigger turbo.

I like the part throttle drivability improvements and I feel more (and more even) WOT power as time goes on, but it might not be enough. I was expecting a super solid tune with tons of smooth power under the curve if not much on the peak. I don't feel like I have that, but I'll give it a little longer. Right now, with summer heat coming on, I think I'd rather have a better TMIC. Maybe I'll buy that and then wait for the tuning s/w to come and buy the AP again.

 

[Young Roids]

"makes minor power improvements..." isn't that the perfect excuse for all of the peoeple who bought an AP and are trying to justify their spending $700.00 for nothing. I mean, whats the point? Why spend $700.00 at all? Before release, everyone was praying to the "cobble cobble" gods for this thing to be released. Then when it actually is released, the fans all cry, "I didn't buy it for a power mod..." "We all knew it wouldn't make any power" Thats funny.

Right on. You summed it up so perfectly I had to lol about it. I couldn't agree more.

 

[LENNY127]

I will be installing mine today and will do a comparison over the next week on my g-tech to see if I can pick up any differences good or bad. (not a dyno but I will do 3 0-100 blasts in stock with ms CAI and 3 in stage 1 with ms CAI see if something jives. (and I will monitor outside temp and engine temp as well to make it fair)

 

[Capt Crunch]

The reason nobody is making power is because there aren't any experienced tuners.

The OTS Cobb maps for Subarus suck as well, but you sure as s*** would not be able to make 250 whp on a WRX with an exhaust (via a custom tune) if you didn't have engine management. Once there are experienced tuners who know the ins and outs of the MS3, I'm sure we'll see good gains.

I'm not sure why there are a bunch of people patting themselves on the back on how they predicted that the AP wouldn't make serious power. What's more mind-boggling is how they compare the results to the RX8. Folks, the whole reason the AP is great is because the MS3 is turbocharged, and just like every other turbocharged car in existence, it has a huge amount of potential waiting to be tapped. DSM, WRX, STI, Evo, SRT-4, 335i, etc. You need engine-management to do it, and the Cobb AP is the best one currently.

 

[desperado-c]

....Folks, the whole reason the AP is great is because the MS3 is turbocharged, and just like every other turbocharged car in existence, it has a huge amount of potential waiting to be tapped. DSM, WRX, STI, Evo, SRT-4, 335i, etc. You need engine-management to do it, and the Cobb AP is the best one currently.

Yeah, but all those cars have larger turbos. I wonder how much more there is to get safely out of this turbo even with engine management. I guess it with a different downpipe it might be more substantial?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

You need engine-management to do it, and the Cobb AP is the best one currently.

i think it will eventually be the best one. i do not think a system that is locked out to the shop and end user in terms of tuning is the best one currently. if people want to do some in depth tuning right now, there are a few other systems which offer that.

 

[SharkDiver]

i think it will eventually be the best one. i do not think a system that is locked out to the shop and end user in terms of tuning is the best one currently. if people want to do some in depth tuning right now, there are a few other systems which offer that.

+1

 

[Capt Crunch]

Yeah, but all those cars have larger turbos. I wonder how much more there is to get safely out of this turbo even with engine management. I guess it with a different downpipe it might be more substantial?

GTI has a smaller turbo and it get great gains with engine management as well.

i think it will eventually be the best one. i do not think a system that is locked out to the shop and end user in terms of tuning is the best one currently. if people want to do some in depth tuning right now, there are a few other systems which offer that.

The streettuner software isn't out yet? That sucks. Still, people like me prefer to be tuned by a "professional." I know tuning isn't rocket science, but having technical support and an idea of expected gains as indicated by the tuner's past experience is worth the money. Right now if I had my STI I'd KNOW that if I had an exhaust and got tuned by tuner X, I'd have 300 whp. Not so if I tried it out myself. Still, it's too bad the street tuner software isn't out yet.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

a shop in our area might be getting the prototype version of the ms3 streettuner, if that happens i'll let you know

 

[SharkDiver]

I hope you let me know because Im only about 1.5 Hrs away from you...

 

[lamp3]

Stage 1 on my sti wasn't a huge improvement, but it could be felt. Now stage 2 on that car with a full 3" catless TBE transformed the car. More power everywhere, more boost, spooled quicker, and the higher gears pulled like mad compared to stock or stage 1. With the protune it got even nastier.

 

[nig3]

Can I ask a silly question?


My friend has a CPE-Standback in his car. Would the Cobb AP be comparable in power gains to the base map in the Standback?

cobb would be way better because its not a piggyback, piggyback systems like the cpe standback are poo poo.

 

[SwampAss]

My friend disagrees. His car will beat up your car.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

cobb would be way better because its not a piggyback, piggyback systems like the cpe standback are poo poo.

sorry if this offends, but this is an ignorant statement. guy asked if the gains between the two unit's basemaps were comparable and you respond with "cobb is better because its not a piggyback" which not only is a subjective remark, but doesn't even address the question properly. its like asking if and apple tastes good and answering that an orange tastes great because its an orange.

i love how people jump on the "piggybacks are crap" bandwagon when right now piggybacks are the only systems that can be tuned by shops or users, have shown excellent dyno gains when tuned right, have shown excellent street performance results when tuned right. when the accessport has the ability to do all of this, then i'll be convinced that its a better solution. right now, it can't and therefore it is not.

 

[MS3077]

sorry if this offends, but this is an ignorant statement. guy asked if the gains between the two unit's basemaps were comparable and you respond with "cobb is better because its not a piggyback" which not only is a subjective remark, but doesn't even address the question properly. its like asking if and apple tastes good and answering that an orange tastes great because its an orange.

i love how people jump on the "piggybacks are crap" bandwagon when right now piggybacks are the only systems that can be tuned by shops or users, have shown excellent dyno gains when tuned right, have shown excellent street performance results when tuned right. when the accessport has the ability to do all of this, then i'll be convinced that its a better solution. right now, it can't and therefore it is not.

But are they a safe solution?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

But are they a safe solution?

any engine management system that is not tuned properly is not a safe solution. i don't care if its a standback, an XEDE or an accessport with streettuner or protuner. if its not tuned right its not safe. piggyback, reflash or standalone, period. and its more than just an air/fuel ratio or EGT. if you want a guaranteed safe solution, its the stock ECU and zero mods. there is a reason the car is tuned the way it is from the factory. not trying to be a devil's advocate but its the truth.

we have had a dozen mazdaspeed3s and two mazdaspeed6s running the XEDE, some with extremely aggressive tunes, for over a year now and not one of them has popped his engine because of it. we've tuned standbacks on mazdaspeed6s locally and they have been on the cars for months prior to that and not a one has blown.

lets face it, every manufacturer has hype they will spin as to why thier system is the best or better. what people need to look at is the results of each product and judge for themselves. ignore the spin, ignore the hype, look at your car, your parts and your ultimate goals and then choose where to spend your hard earned cash on the solution that fits all of those.

 

[SwampAss]

And also, wire in piggy backs aren't a "set and forget" type install either. Some cars have issues that need to be tuned out. My standback surges @ WOT. I need to call Jordan @ CP-E to help me tune it out. He said he knows what causes it and will tell me what to change. Now if I can find the time to do it!

Regardless of whether it's a flash or a piggy back, it's going to need a little tweaking. It's the nature of the beast. For those who plugged up the Cobb accessport and were immediately displeased, wait it out. When more tunes are available, then decide.

 

[smakdown61]

any engine management system that is not tuned properly is not a safe solution. i don't care if its a standback, an XEDE or an accessport with streettuner or protuner. if its not tuned right its not safe. piggyback, reflash or standalone, period. and its more than just an air/fuel ratio or EGT. if you want a guaranteed safe solution, its the stock ECU and zero mods. there is a reason the car is tuned the way it is from the factory. not trying to be a devil's advocate but its the truth.

we have had a dozen mazdaspeed3s and two mazdaspeed6s running the XEDE, some with extremely aggressive tunes, for over a year now and not one of them has popped his engine because of it. we've tuned standbacks on mazdaspeed6s locally and they have been on the cars for months prior to that and not a one has blown.

lets face it, every manufacturer has hype they will spin as to why thier system is the best or better. what people need to look at is the results of each product and judge for themselves. ignore the spin, ignore the hype, look at your car, your parts and your ultimate goals and then choose where to spend your hard earned cash on the solution that fits all of those.

The guy over on the 6 forums running the standback and a gt3071 popped his engine a few days ago. AFR's were fine and everything so they attributed it to the engine basically having a max of 350whp before blowing.

 

[squabbin]

i should have some stage 2+ results to post in the next 2 or 3 weeks...

 

[nig3]

sorry if this offends, but this is an ignorant statement. guy asked if the gains between the two unit's basemaps were comparable and you respond with "cobb is better because its not a piggyback" which not only is a subjective remark, but doesn't even address the question properly. its like asking if and apple tastes good and answering that an orange tastes great because its an orange.

i love how people jump on the "piggybacks are crap" bandwagon when right now piggybacks are the only systems that can be tuned by shops or users, have shown excellent dyno gains when tuned right, have shown excellent street performance results when tuned right. when the accessport has the ability to do all of this, then i'll be convinced that its a better solution. right now, it can't and therefore it is not.

just saying that piggybacks are crap thats all.... piggybacks monitor and manipulate oem sensors to change things up , they dont actually change s*** though ie. pulsewidth of the injector or timming points that im aware of, correct me if im wrong though, i havent messed with any piggybacks in a few years LOL and they sucked back then too