LoL, oh boy here we go...
So how long has the Cobb AP been out now? And still no dynos?
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LoL, oh boy here we go...
personaly i have not had good experiance with a piggyback system. thankfully it wasnt my car. thats why for a daily driver i like the plug and play options. wether it be a reflash or an ap. granted there are limitations on all system. my problem is cutting into the harness.
So, a flash load doesn't use OEM sensors?
There are advantages to either. To say one sucks over the other is ignorant.
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thats fine and dandy, but you cannot ignore the simple facts that regardless of whatever your opinion was a few years ago or is now, piggybacks can work and do work and they are the only systems producing repeatable results that provide a serious gain. there is nothing wrong with how a system works when what it does works. indirectly, they do the things you talk about - adjust timing tables and draw back injector pulsing. it won't be long before a wire-in piggyback or standalone can easily and directly manipulate those things. there is also little evidence on this platform, to date mind you, that doing so is going to make a real difference.
rest assured you are not the only one with this dilemma.
a reflash alters the coding on the ECU and what it does with the sensor signals being fed to it. a piggyback alters the sensor signals going to the ECU to achieve a desired result. fundamentally, ask any layman to tell you how either is different. not that simple.
like i said, AFRs are not everything. you can have a perfect air/fuel ratio and be beyond the mechanical limitations of the engine. a lean or rich air fuel mixture or cool EGT in no way measures the stress being put on the bottom end or the true amount of physical load being placed on the rotating assembly. and yes, i do think 350 is at the mechanical limitations of the factory bottom end. it is false hope to think anything otherwise.
dude on a piggyback fuel controller it works with the mafs and controls the fuel curve by delaying or altering mafs signal voltage trick the ecu to trick it into running richer or leaner and has slower response. with a reflash or standalone you have the huge advantage of actually changing injector pulse width timing acording to load / RPMs ect.... i hope you understand where im coming from, im not just talking out my ass here.
Young Roids
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look foreward to your dynos.
Young Roids
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Cool. looking foreward to yours as well.
Young Roids
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OK guys, yet again I will ask: Where are the dynos? Two guys have said they would have them up and still nothing. I get more sceptical by the day.
justa4banger
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Man that kind of sucks.....
My 30+year old iron motor popped a Rod at 438whp and tons of abuse. Were talking 50= dyno pulls, all well over 350+whp and about 12 pver 400+whp. i must have had 50 +passes at the track, plus i just beat the crap out of the ole 2.3 in the SVO.
All this on CAST RODS, CAST CRANK, and stock block. The only upgrade i had was ARP rod bolts.
All this on 28 psi , pump gass and 3 cans of torco........
either way i still love my MS3.
borderline
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I'm gonna go to dyno saturday
I will show you the result sunday. Mods are: CPE CAI, turboback and the COBB AP.
I will show you the result sunday. Mods are: CPE CAI, turboback and the COBB AP.
How are you gonna run? 1 run with stock map loaded and 1 run with stg2+ loaded?
borderline
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I will try to do both to make a good comparaison
Young Roids
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You should do 1 run without the ap loaded at all.
mrlilguy157
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To the guy who said that someone popped a motor and it had to be the motor hit it's mechanical limits because the AFR's were ok.... you're forgetting about the possibility of too much timing advance and spark knock, along with about 50 other things that can kill a motor that's running with a safe AFR. Although, I'm not saying that 350 whp (which is about 400hp) isn't the mechanical limit of a MZR... it probably is. It seems that 400 crank hp is the magical number for quite a few popular import motors. I know it's about all a B series, K series and a 4G63 6-bolt can handle without any internal upgrades.
Back to the AP.... so from what I've gathered so far... the AP is pointless if you only have a few mods. At least till the tuning software comes out and you can use it to custom flash. From everything I've read online...nobody has seen any major gains that were enough to run out and dyno immediately. At least.. no gains like the 20-40hp that I saw some people predicting would come from a cookie cutter reflash cleaning up supposedly sloppy factory tuning.
I'll change my mind if someone posts dyno sheets to prove otherwise.
Back to the AP.... so from what I've gathered so far... the AP is pointless if you only have a few mods. At least till the tuning software comes out and you can use it to custom flash. From everything I've read online...nobody has seen any major gains that were enough to run out and dyno immediately. At least.. no gains like the 20-40hp that I saw some people predicting would come from a cookie cutter reflash cleaning up supposedly sloppy factory tuning.
I'll change my mind if someone posts dyno sheets to prove otherwise.
