You know I have seen a stock Miata pass a cobra jet (rep.) with 500chp. Does that mean the corba jet is weaker car? Or could it mean that miata had a better driver and was able over take the weaker driver in the cobra jet. That was the case that weekend as the driver of the corba jet had never been on a road course before and so "he" was getting pwned by 120hp miata's. Of course when they hit the straights the cobra jet was gone. So lets do this, let's not talk about what we have seen, or what think, or what someone told you, or... the list could on and on. I state my opinoun on things that I have first hand knowledge of. If someone were to ask me what I thought of an STi I could recount couple of times I have driven one. If I were to be asked about an Evo I wouldnt have anything to offer because I havent had the chance to drive one. So I wouldnt go off spouting about how the Evo rulez and pwns all or talk s*** about it. Judging by the mindless comments made and generalizations most I find it hard to believe that most have first hand experience with the labeled "muslce car/domestic car". Think about time that you were driving down the road and some dueche yelled out ricer at you solely because you were driving a mazda/honda/toyota/whatever. It's the samething! Just as you think of someone being mindless for assuming that all japanesse car owners are all ricers and all have fake bov's I feel the same way about people that make general statements about something they dont know.....