My speeding ticket: Tale of complete BS!

but has your insurance renewed since then? Mine would go up when it renewed when i used to just pay my ticket and be done with it.

Yup I had to renew the insurance since then, and the only reason why my rates went up 5 bucks a month was do to the fact I changed the policy for no deductible for broken windows and such, since my car got broken into and I had to shell out 200 bucks for a window.

I didn't see it raise because of the ticket. btw I have geico insurance if that makes a difference.
 
Man up and quit crying. You were breaking the law and got caught. You have no case.
This.

Here's how the court procedure will go:

Judge: You are convicted of speeding. 65 mph in a 55 mph designated area. How to you plead?
You: Guilty
Judge: Your fine is $xxx

There's no way out of it. You were speeding and you've admitted that and saying anything else short of "no contest" you will be lying. If anything, go in (sans lawyer), act professional and fess up. If you are lucky the judge will be nice and reduce your fine.

Why is everyone going so damned fast in the first place? I don't go more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit ANYWHERE. Cops don't even looks at me twice and my car is bright red!
 
Why is everyone going so damned fast in the first place? I don't go more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit ANYWHERE. Cops don't even looks at me twice and my car is bright red!

66 in a 55 is damn fast to you? I try to stay within 10 above so I don't attract unwanted attention, but 11 over on a highway is not damned fast. It can feel fast when passing numbnuts who are going 5 under in the slow lane, though. On highways, I'd say 5-10 over is normal in my area. Those in the fast lane are usually going 10-20 over.
 
I don't go more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit ANYWHERE. Cops don't even looks at me twice and my car is bright red!
You have to obey posted limits, because you drive an 'Arrest-Me-Officer' Red vehicle with enhanced sound.(drive2)
 
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66 in a 55 is damn fast to you? I try to stay within 10 above so I don't attract unwanted attention, but 11 over on a highway is not damned fast. It can feel fast when passing numbnuts who are going 5 under in the slow lane, though. On highways, I'd say 5-10 over is normal in my area. Those in the fast lane are usually going 10-20 over.
That's not what I meant. Obviously 65 isn't fast and neither is 100 for that matter. The question is why the necessity to exceed the speed limit so much, or even that all? Chances are you're driving <5 miles up the road so those extra 10 miles per hour aren't doing you any good. I love coming up to a stoplight ~10 seconds after the person going 15+ mph over the speed limit just to end up right next to him at the light. The only thing he/she managed to do was burn a little more fuel than I, not taking vehicle fuel consumption into consideration.

I agree, I can't stand it when people travel below the limit when there is no reason to do so. There should be a lower limit as well...
 
That's not what I meant. Obviously 65 isn't fast and neither is 100 for that matter. The question is why the necessity to exceed the speed limit so much, or even that all? Chances are you're driving <5 miles up the road so those extra 10 miles per hour aren't doing you any good. I love coming up to a stoplight ~10 seconds after the person going 15+ mph over the speed limit just to end up right next to him at the light. The only thing he/she managed to do was burn a little more fuel than I, not taking vehicle fuel consumption into consideration.

Agreed. I do this all the time. How is it that these people don't get it, especially after I repeatedly see and wave at them at the light?

Besides that, if you're going 10 miles, and the speed limit is 65, it's going to take you 9 minutes and 14 seconds to get there. If you go 75mph, you'll get there in 8 minutes. Does one minute matter?

agree, I can't stand it when people travel below the limit when there is no reason to do so. There should be a lower limit as well...

I believe there is. I'm positive local interstate highways around here have posted minimum and maximum speed limits. Check your local statutes. The thing of that is, they're supposed to stay to the right when travelling at the lower end of that range.
 
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... The only thing he/she managed to do was burn a little more fuel than I, not taking vehicle fuel consumption into consideration.

I agree, I can't stand it when people travel below the limit when there is no reason to do so. There should be a lower limit as well...

That coming from a guy in a RX-7... :)
 
That's not what I meant. Obviously 65 isn't fast and neither is 100 for that matter. The question is why the necessity to exceed the speed limit so much, or even that all? Chances are you're driving <5 miles up the road so those extra 10 miles per hour aren't doing you any good. I love coming up to a stoplight ~10 seconds after the person going 15+ mph over the speed limit just to end up right next to him at the light. The only thing he/she managed to do was burn a little more fuel than I, not taking vehicle fuel consumption into consideration.

I agree, I can't stand it when people travel below the limit when there is no reason to do so. There should be a lower limit as well...

I think it really varies where your at and on what road... here on 9a if your doing the speed limit you might as well be doing 20 under literally. Im not saying its ok to speed its just some places you pretty much have to just to avoid getting ran off the road. Even the local police do 20 over on 9a...

Then again some of these road limits are retarded slow for highways... 45mph in I-95... I've never been anywhere where the speed limit was slower then 60 on a major highway before I've moved to fl.


I believe there is. I'm positive local interstate highways around here have posted minimum and maximum speed limits. Check your local statutes. The thing of that is, they're supposed to stay to the right when travelling at the lower end of that range.

Yeah your supposed to stay on the right but how many people do you see use that mind set when they are driving? Not many here in fl. You are right there are set min speed limits on the road.
 
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The officer came to the passenger side window, asked for my license/registration, and then informed me I had been clocked going 66 mph entering "one of the most dangerous sections of road in MA" when the speed limit was 55 mph. He then walked away without saying anything else. I think I only had time to say "ok" to him and he was gone. A few minutes later he returned with my license and registration, handed me a ticket and told me the directions were on the back and walked away. He had his mind made up before he even turned on his lights to pull me over.

The bolded part irked me here a little bit. Typically, that's how most of us operate. The nature offense committed determines the enforcement action (citation vs. warning), not the person behind the wheel. Yes, sometimes the interaction can sway our discretion one way or or the other, but for the most part we try to be as objective as possible.

Now here is what I have trouble with. This is the BS part. Yes I was going 66 mph. I had set my cruise control to 65, but I am not going to argue that. I was however well within the flow of traffic, and I have two witnesses from my car who can verify that. Most of the other cars on the road around us were going the same speed as me. Also the officer was traveling about the same speed as me since I wasn't passing or gaining on him. In fact I had been passed by quite a few cars that morning on that road and after the event I was passed by quite a few more, none of which were pulled over.

The bold part matters. The italicized parts have no bearing on the circumstances determining your guilt.

Here is the other part that gets me. Between 6:30 and 7:00 am, we saw 6 more cruisers. It was like they were out on the prowl. The part that really gets me. Where I was pulled over was still a two lane highway. After entering "one of the most dangerous roads in MA" I had another cruiser come up on my tail. At this point I had my cruise control set to 55mp, exactly the speed limit. The officer stayed behind me for some time until we came to a large hill. At that point the officer proceeded to move into the climbing lane (the one for 18 wheelers and slow traffic)and pass me, going at least 65 mph. He did this with no lights, no sirens, no horn, nothing and this is the part of Rt2 that is only divided by the double yellow line.

Different situation, likely different officer. Irrelevant to the matter at hand.

As far as I am aware, the State Police have to follow the laws they enforce.

Actually, most states have it codified that Emergency Service Vehicles are exempt from traffic law. Safest thing to do? Maybe not, but most likely also not illegal.

But I do feel like there is some serious BS going on here, and like I got a bit of a bum deal.

How do you figure? You your self admit to the speeding violation.

I am a 28 years old, working as an engineer. I have been driving since I was 17 and have only had two speeding tickets, and only one on my record now. I know some people have better records than me, but I make a point to be a responsible driver. I am currently buried under college loans and trying to buy a home, so it is important to me to keep my insurance rates down. Currently I pay $135/month for insurance.

Irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Is this worth getting a lawyer for?

Depends how much (in your state) the fine is and how many points are associated with 11 over limit, how your insurance company will affect your rates, and how the court system in the jurisdiction in question works. If the prosecutor/officers are open to plea bargaining to a lesser speeding charge, or even a non-pointed violation, and will entertain discussion with the defendant themselves, there is no need for an attorney.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have no chance at a finding of "not guilty" based on the facts this far presented, attorney or not.

Let me know what you guys think... I need a good tactic to fight this one. I know arguing the cop was speeding too won't fly, so I need something better.

-Pete

There is no tactic. You are guilty of the offense. See if the prosecutor/officer is agreeable to a plea to a lesser offense, or take your hit like an adult.
 
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I think it really varies where your at and on what road... here on 9a if your doing the speed limit you might as well be doing 20 under literally. Im not saying its ok to speed its just some places you pretty much have to just to avoid getting ran off the road. Even the local police do 20 over on 9a...

Then again some of these road limits are retarded slow for highways... 45mph in I-95... I've never been anywhere where the speed limit was slower then 60 on a major highway before I've moved to fl.
As much as I sympathize (I lived in the Hampton Roads area of VA for 16 years and have spent time near DC), that still really isn't any excuse. No one is forcing you to exceed the speed limit and the "keeping up with traiffic" excuse never works in court. If I am going the speed limit and am not in the left lane and you want to go faster it is your job to go around me. Of course the argument against this is most Americans are stupid and don't understand the concept of cruising/passing lanes. You will never catch me going the speed limit in the left lane unless I am passing someone going more slowly in the other lane(s).
 
not sure if it's like that all over, but as much as we love Oregon and we do own property there, I don't know if I could taking living up in the NW for the mere fact that you people drive way to damn slow. 55mph seemed to dominate the areas we've been. Hell, if it's not 75mph in our area, you're a road block.

Yeah drivers in oregon are generally idiots. It was on 217 about 10am right lane doing 60 left doing 65. I was actually quite please with the flow that day cuz most days traffic is going about 50mph in the 55. I have never seen such dumb driving as I have out here (used to live in Colorado and wisconsin) so many people exit from the laft lane crossing three sometimes four lanes. Drivers being overly kind and hitting there brakes to let you in even if they're right along side you. And god forbid it rains, everyone hits there brakes as soon as one drop falls. I would think people would be used to the rain by now. And when it snows, o my god total grid lock, people actually just park there cars on in the middle of the freeway and get out and start walking.
 
i would appeal it, just because if you do nothing about it, it proves your guilty and in ma your insurance goes up for i believe 3-5 years. If you appeal it 90% of the time you will at least get a reduction.
 
As much as I sympathize (I lived in the Hampton Roads area of VA for 16 years and have spent time near DC), that still really isn't any excuse. No one is forcing you to exceed the speed limit and the "keeping up with traiffic" excuse never works in court. If I am going the speed limit and am not in the left lane and you want to go faster it is your job to go around me. Of course the argument against this is most Americans are stupid and don't understand the concept of cruising/passing lanes. You will never catch me going the speed limit in the left lane unless I am passing someone going more slowly in the other lane(s).

true no one is forceing anything but i rather not have a dodge ram 2 feet away from my rear bumper. Some people just get stupid about people doing slower then others and try to force them to speed up. Yes that even happens when your in the right lane. You also cant forget about the people flashign their brights at you or just riding your ass with the brights on.

On another note I wish the MSP has CC. I often find myself going over the speed limit even when trying to maintain the limit. lol


Edit: I am not saying I dont speed everywhere I go but I do every now and then.
 
There is the speed limit and there is safe driving.
The number one thing my instructor so many years ago pounded into my head as a safe driving rule was "don't make waves!"
This means that you travel at the same speed the bulk of the traffic is doing.
Not faster, and not slower.
A rock in the middle of an otherwise smooth flowing stream isn't moving, but it makes waves when the water has to go around it.
You people who get on your high horses about the speed limit need a reality check. If the OP was really doing the flow of traffic and the cop singled him out because of what he was driving, that cop needs to be disciplined for doing the exact opposite of his job, which is to make the roads safe. He pulled someone over for driving correctly under the conditions at the time, disrupting the flow of traffic, creating a gawkers situation that could easily lead to an accident. My old man was a decorated cop (also a bodyguard for the Charlestown mob, but what the hell, nobody's perfect). He would certainly have something to say about this cop and the first word would be "idiot" or something stronger.
 
There is the speed limit and there is safe driving.
The number one thing my instructor so many years ago pounded into my head as a safe driving rule was "don't make waves!"
This means that you travel at the same speed the bulk of the traffic is doing.
Not faster, and not slower.
A rock in the middle of an otherwise smooth flowing stream isn't moving, but it makes waves when the water has to go around it.
You people who get on your high horses about the speed limit need a reality check. If the OP was really doing the flow of traffic and the cop singled him out because of what he was driving, that cop needs to be disciplined for doing the exact opposite of his job, which is to make the roads safe. He pulled someone over for driving correctly under the conditions at the time, disrupting the flow of traffic, creating a gawkers situation that could easily lead to an accident. My old man was a decorated cop (also a bodyguard for the Charlestown mob, but what the hell, nobody's perfect). He would certainly have something to say about this cop and the first word would be "idiot" or something stronger.

What you don't know is how many other people the cops were pulling over that day for the same offense. They can't pull everyone over all at once. So, if the police force is working to get speed under control on a particular stretch of road, they have to start ticketing people. The "singling out" may have just been perchance.

Get my drift?
 
When I moved to Pittsburgh, I got nailed twice for speeding in two years (but hadn't been nailed for many years before that). What I did was to get a court date and pleasantly ask the judge to reduce the offense to 5 mph over, that way I still pay a fine (good for the courts), but more importantly it doesn't show up on my insurance in PA (good for me!). Since I had been nice to the officers that pulled me over (and they remembered, I think they take notes), the officers also agreed to have the ticket lowered so that I wouldn't take an insurance hit. So everyone wins.

So my advice to you is to get a court date and try your best to lower the ticket so that your insurance won't be hit. And don't be argumentative in court.
 
Ok,
Enough with the "man up and pay". I'm not trying to shrug responsibility here. What I'm really aiming to do is keep the points off my liscense. I called the insurance company, and asked how much my rates would change and it wasn't pretty. I work too damn hard for my money to just hand it over. I have gotten tickets overturned when I truely wasn't at fault, or made a legitement mistake before. I know people who have had them over turned when they were completel at fault. I'm not talking reduced, I mean completely thrown out. Is it the norm? Probably not but its damn well worth a shot!

And I should clarify... the real reason I think it was bs was because I was told I was entering "one of the most dangerous roads in MA". Upon entering said road I was probably the only one actually going the speed limit. Everyone else was going faster, police included. Furthermore they don't call them Massholes for nothing. The other end of Rt 2, east of Devens, people FLY (70-80 easy) and its still marked at 55mph. I'm sure its not much different where I was. It just seems like a bum deal to me.

What you don't know is how many other people the cops were pulling over that day for the same offense. They can't pull everyone over all at once. So, if the police force is working to get speed under control on a particular stretch of road, they have to start ticketing people. The "singling out" may have just been perchance.

Get my drift?

I do, but I have seen police officers pull over a string of cars on the highway before. 6 more cruisers spotted in the 30 minutes it took me to get across the VT boarder... and no one eles pulled over. With the number of people who passed me, and the number of cops on the road at that hour, I would have expected to see more people pulled over.

-Pete
 

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