Yeah, a fast P5 is expensive, but when you think about it....

[vindication]

soo, minus the wheel, how much is this gonna set you back. For 300whp the MAM shortblock is way overpriced. You can get a longblock from Nick at like half the cost or do most of the things yourself. Looks like a fun project and I too hope to do this but only when I get another daily driver so I can mak the protege my project/weekend car.

 

[importcrazy]

gentleman, gentleman, when you have an auto trans make the best of it. no you prolly wont run auto cross but auto trans make hell of a drag car.

-quiker shifts
-no missed shifts
-no loss of boost between shifts

so what your not gunna get that pppppppppppssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttt!!!! sound it only lets people know what your workin with

although it is the coolest sound in the entire world, it makes me...

 

[scorch70]

If you think about it, it is a great value.

I see a lot of people wondering if a turbo set up is worth it on a P5? I know that it is.

You guys know how the P5 drives and handles. It is great, just incredibly slow.

For those of you who are weary of jumping head-first into modding your daily driver, this will help you decide.

In the coming weeks you will see a build up of my P5. The famous Beau from MAM and I are putting together an incredible daily driver with all around performance in mind. It will not be a dyno queen either, it will be a real street car, and my daily driver.

- We will have the pics of the install and prices, REAL prices.
- We will post performance specs. I personally would like to do a Motor Trend type test - 0-60, 0-100, 1/4, 120 feet @70mph -0, 0-100-0, and slalom speed (I have to research that one).
- We will post numbers of comprable cars and cars that we beat (there will be some good names on that list, no doubt)
- The car will be street legal.
- We will have gas mileage tabs.
- We will, of course, have real dyno numbers with true boost numbers.

PARTS GOING ON THE P5
MAM sleeper turbo kit
MAM built engine
Head work
Guages
Engine Management
Full exahust
K Sport Coilovers
Brake Upgrade
Suspension upgrades
Fuel upgrades
Tranny upgrades
LSD
Rota Wheels

Should be fun. (naughty) Stay tuned.

Screw the sleeper kit. With all of that engine work, THUMPER is the only way to go.

 

[65racecoupe]

My car is a Yellow P5, manual tranny of course

OK, here goes...

Anarchistchiken, first of all, your name is hard to spell. (hippy) (hippy) (hippy)
You do bring up some good points.

Here is the deal. We are making an EXTREME daily driver. Yes, it is more than others want to spend, which is cool. My car will just show what a P5 can do, and STILL be able to drive daily. Rest assured, the car will have traffic manners.

It will be able to pass emissions, so that is why I am not going with the Thumper Kit and a Stand Alone EM. 325 Wheel horses is about the limit, according to Beau, on a Piggy back system and extra injector set.

If you want 400 horses at the wheels (325 will be damn fast btw), you WILL need a stand alone system. With that, you can't pass emissions and the check engine light will always be on. I am not sure how driveable 400 hp is on a FWD car. Not saying it isn't, I have never been in one.

I don't concider it a true daily driver if I have to mod anything to pass emissions.

Also, we are keeping a full interior. This will be basically the P5 that Mazda should have made (if they were on drugs).

Scorch - I have to have a built engine to run 300 + wheel horses anyway. With the headwork, we can get good hp numbers with less boost.

I live in Phoenix and I just got home from crappy I-10 traffic, so that will not be an issue. The car will be tuned and be fine in traffic with the AC on.

 

[65racecoupe]

Also, I have been in Pats MP3, so I do know that a Turbo P3 or P5 is really worth it. It is not even the same car. That is when it was way conservatively tuned, prior to Beau putting it on the dyno.

edit - I mean FI is worth it. I am not trying to put down the WOMP, or HiBoost's turbo kits in any way, I just say TURBO because that is what I am doing with my project.

I will have a seperate post(s) on this. They will be easy to read and follow.

I don't think Beau's engine is overpriced. He built my 331 (302) in my 65 stang, so I really trust his ability. Like I said, I will have prices. They are more accurate when the project is finished. There will be a complete price list, not counting SHIPPING.

AUTO - I would not put that kind of power in an automatic P5. It is not like it is a muscle car with an automatic. Correct me if I am wrong, but it would break with much less power than 300 to the wheels.

Performance - I am not totally sure of the final numbers. Anyone can say "I am going to run 11s and kill Vettes all day".

Here is what I will do. I will post the numbers on the test of the final version of the finished P5, and compare them to the tests in Motor Trend. This will let you know that I spent X ammount of dollars and I am better than vehicles AB and C, which cost Y ammount of money. I will do the test as accurately as I can. It will take a good day to do all of that, but I will try.

 

[Mike R]

I guess it must be the previous cars I've owned, but I really never thought the P5 was terribly slow. If I had the money to do what you are planning, I'd start with a better engine and a different car. But that's me. I could build a better daily driver that would walk all over a turbo P5-except when it comes to handling. And carry alot more stuff-for what you're paying in mods I could buy the car and modify it. Again, that's what I would do.

 

[fkmp5]

subscrizzle

 

[65racecoupe]

I guess it must be the previous cars I've owned, but I really never thought the P5 was terribly slow. If I had the money to do what you are planning, I'd start with a better engine and a different car. But that's me. I could build a better daily driver that would walk all over a turbo P5-except when it comes to handling. And carry alot more stuff-for what you're paying in mods I could buy the car and modify it. Again, that's what I would do.

Exactly, "except for handling".

I could drive a Mustang everyday and have it run 11s, but remember what I posted?

I am making the P5 the best of everything...

EDIT - Just out of curiosity, what car would you pick?

Other than a P5, I could go with a Focus, Civic, or another car. I just happen to really like the P5.

Performance
Driveability
Handling
Affordability (compared to other vehicles it can run with, and gas mileage)

 

[Mike R]

Ugh, I hate mustangs. I'd build a crown vic. It'd handle damn close, but you can't get all the weight to move around as agile as a 5. It'd be a great daily driver. I'm weird that way. I love my 5, but my true dream car is a Crown Vic. I used to have a 14 second very mildly built vic. It got 24 mpg, automatic trans, could fit a civic in the trunk, and was a incredible sleeper.

 

[65racecoupe]

not even close.

You won't get a crown vic to beat my car in acceleration, handling or braking, or in gas mileage - 24mpg would be generous too.

I am not sure what other car, but a P5 is a great car to build a daily driver beast with.

 

[Lord_Zath]

You won't be getting 24mpg if you're hitting boost all the time.

IMO, what's the point of turbo'ing a daily driver if you are concerned about gas prices? Going FI means premium gas. It also means if you want good MPG, you gotta stay below 3k rpm's. So you'll rarely be hitting boost.

My car's an automatic, but with a header, pulley, and catback exhaust, it feels so much better than stock, and yet still takes regular gas and gets good mileage because I don't feel like I have to go into the higher RPM's to make decent power.

Don't get me wrong, I've always had a big smile on my face when I've gone for rides in turbo p5's and msp's. But I used to own a Trans Am, and I know what that kind of power is like as a daily driver. Great to have, but I fully used its 310 hp about 5% of the time I drove it. The difference is that the Trans Am makes that power stock from the factory. I've seen lots of threads about people screwing up their cars because of the turbo. I do see you're being smart and taking precautions, though!

But the point I think a lot of people have been making is that it looks like you're sinking just under 10k into your car. The car itself is probably worth 10k. People have tried selling their modified cars for more, arguing that modification = more value. For most people, it doesn't.

You might wanna consider upgrading the brakes as well - going faster means you'll be using the brakes more in traffic, too...

Anyways, good luck with the car. I'll be keeping an eye on your progress as well as the others.

 

[65racecoupe]

The brakes are coming. I am not sure if we are going to mock up a kit or just order one. I am a huge fan of great performing and looking brakes. My Rotas will look so much nicer with some big rotors behind them.

As far as the value goes, I would be able to sell the car to someone for a good price to someone who wants it specifically, otherwise, YES, you are totally correct.

As far as gas mileage goes, I do think it is important. The gas mileage will improve on the freeway at cruising speed. I can explain it, but Beau would do a much better job. You can have a fast car and not get 15 miles per gallon. The reason I mention gas mileage is that there will be a BIG difference between my mileage and a comprably fast car.

This car doesn't have to hit a lot of boost to be a much better car all around. I mean, hell, I probably make close to 100 hp to the wheels, if not less. Cruising around town is a lot nicer with some power.

PRECAUTIONS
I wouldn't call them precautions. I call that building for a turbo. Depending on the timing of the pistons arriving (they are custom CPs), we may be installing the turbo on the stock engine.

That is 8 or 9 PSI max. We will only do that so we can install the exhaust, wideband, etc. The built engine is a total necessity if you want to go REALLY fast.

 

[Antoine]

Looking forward to see this project unfold...Subscribed and ready to rock...

 

[65racecoupe]

Looking forward to see this project unfold...Subscribed and ready to rock...

Thanks.

I will post a thread with pics for each major install instead of one big one.

It will take a while for the car to be finished, so I figure that this is the best way. INTERCOOLER, ENGINE DROP, TURBO INSTALL, DYNO TUNING, etc.

 

[slkt]

Cool~!! My friends always say tuning a P5 is wasting money, but I love the car, I want it fast. I'm planning to boost my P5 soon~!!! Good luck

 

[JCell]

i have a couple of go mods, it's enough for me for now, cams and that will do it for me, i love boost but that will wait until my next car (g35/skyline)

 

[65racecoupe]

i have a couple of go mods, it's enough for me for now, cams and that will do it for me, i love boost but that will wait until my next car (g35/skyline)

I hope you have some money for one of those. A boosted G35 would be so sweet.

I may sell my 65 to build a Skyline or a Turbo Mustang someday.

 

[Mental Addiction]

soo, minus the wheel, how much is this gonna set you back. For 300whp the MAM shortblock is way overpriced. You can get a longblock from Nick at like half the cost or do most of the things yourself. Looks like a fun project and I too hope to do this but only when I get another daily driver so I can mak the protege my project/weekend car.

To say it's overpriced,tell me why it is..Since you are comparing motors, lets look at the parts used
I use ARP main and head studs, MPI comes with stock TQ to yield main bolts and no head studs
I use Toga high performance tri metal bearings, MPI uses stock
We both use Oliver rods and CP pistons.
I line hone, squaredeck,bore,hone,plateau,balance,Nitrate, micro polish the crank,machine in thrust washer,full race debur,chaffer oil gallay's,etc.We do not just do a basic motor build.Our motors are a Nascar grade build.
Our products are not taylored for the guy on a budget.We are a highend all out shop that only does the lastest and greatest.We are always looking to improve and make only the highest quality parts.You get what you pay for.If you can build an engine that is exactly like mine for less, I'll buy them from you.

 

[Mental Addiction]

No offense man, but how can you posibly "know that it is,"? That statement just bothers me because you havn't ever owned a turbo protege.





I hear what you're saying, but your car is going to be much more impressive than someone's who is not commited to modding it when they buy it. Most people who would want a basic turbo kit for a daily driven car are not going to sink $15,000 into their vehicle with top of the line suspension, expensive head work, upgraded EVERYTHING! It's just not realistic for you to claim to be testing a normal daily driven protege but spending more on mods than the car cost when you bought it!





That should be very interesting, but tests like that will have no bearing on what the car acts like in traffic. It's really hard to test the drivability of a car in measured amounts that you can post on the internet, ya know?



Slick




Built engine, head work, brake, suspension (beyond the coilovers, mind you), fuel, and tranny upgrades, plus an LSD! There's no doubt this car is gonna kick ass, but it's just gonna be rediculously expensive to tout as an "everymans daily driver"

I'm not trying to be an asshole, just making sure you think about what you're saying.

He knows what a boosted P5 feels like because I have let him drive ours. I have alot of customers that spend more on their car than what they paid.It's their car and they enjoy it. So they improve on what they feel needs attention.He will have a fully built car for roughly $15,000.This includes rims,tires,coilovers,motor,turbo kit,engine managment,brakes,etc..This is HIS daily driver.

 

[Padre]

Wow. Another monster rising from Mental Addiction. (thumb)