worth getting AP (only cobb sri + inlet)

[twelveinch]

Its called economics dumbass. If a company can save money on materials by using the thinnest rods possible then they will, especially now. This isn't like it was back in the day where everything was over engineered, now everything is calculated to the thousandths of an inch. So yea the car is designed to put out what it does outa the factory with a slim safety margin. Once we exceed the design specs its only a matter of time...it just happens to be that we are almost at the limit out of the box. And comparing 2 completely different cars is just stupid. See you on the blown forums real soon. And if you did know what the **** you were talking about. The first thing you woulda done if going for big power was sleeve the block and shove the beefiest internals you could into it.

Well, no s***. There's a s*** load of mazda forums out there and I don't know how many you're apart of but I hear a lot of people b**** about blowing their engine and call it a piece of s*** when they operate beyond as you put its "safety margin"

Now and days and I'm pretty sure you know this smart ass it's all about money. Produce a ******* car that will generate revenue at the cheapest most cost effective level.

See me on the blown forums? Ouch. Yeah yea yeah... you're assuming I'm not even build. Who says I'm not. You don't (nor anyone else for that matter) knows how much I'm really pushing. I could be over the 400WHP or be doing 350WHP on stock internals but everyone would assume I'm BS because I won't post my mod list or proof.

Look man to each his own. I don't like to BS or argue with people on the forums. I have no problem with you or anyone else for that matter. Perhaps I came off wrong and you miss-understood me. If we talked in person this would have been a whole different discussion.

 

[amilliems6]

Look, I understand where you're coming from and I'm not trying to be a dick. However, understand my perspective/opinion on this.


If you're comparing this engine to an EVO's engine who's able to produce so much power on stock internals- then, yes, by all means the engine is weak.

However, you can run well over 300WHP on this engine and it will hold up if you know what you're doing and maintain it.

But like I said in one of my earlier posts... obviously, not all engines are build the same which means not all of them will have the same tolerances to supports x amount of HP beyond factory specs.

Just because this engine is only able to go up to 350WHP (if you make it there without blowing) doesn't make it weak in its own right. Christ, it's like comparing apples to bananas. If you consider this engine to be weak because it won't go over 400WHP on stock internals.... sure.

If I wanted a "strong" engine that is able to go well over 400WHP on stock internals I would bought myself an EVO.... but where the fun in that...

In my opinion, this engine "as an overall" is a solid engine. Majority of engines run into issues once you start to operate them beyond their factory specs. Some last longer then others and unfortunately the MS3's doesn't.

This whole engine is a challenge especially if you want to bring it well over 400 WHP. A few have already done it but once you're there- it's a good feeling.

yes you are correc they have done it.. BUT.. not on stock internals.

fully rebuilt with new rods and head and so on.

not stock

 

[twelveinch]

yes you are correc they have done it.. BUT.. not on stock internals.

fully rebuilt with new rods and head and so on.

not stock

Yes, of course.

 

[onelsono]

see attached dynos, ive since been retuned and put down 250whp/275wtq on a mustang dyno. the AMR tune put down 230/260 on the same mustang. so ive got a bit more power now. Jesus Rocks!

I am on the east coast and have 93 octane too, so that may be whats holding you cali guys back. that and those retarted CARB laws.

ehh u c that spike in tourque at 3500,, thats wut kills are rods and blows are motors. big motor + small turbo = noo good.

 

[8.5MS3]

Thank you. Now that we are behaving like adults I will agree with you. I am a member of several forums and have a good idea to which one you are referring to. Yes I agree its completely rediculous for anyone to b**** about a car that blows because they doubled the power output. But not everyone sees it that way. Some do blow at low levels of modding and 90% of the time its driver error but no one will admit it.

Simple fact is that this platform is unable to be modified to high horsepower levels without requiring a major overhaul. This is a new type of engine for both mazda and the aftermarket. The power will come in time and I will wait until then. Hell on this thread with my stage 1 setup I was getting flamed, so if you are built and running strong, I hope it lasts, but the sad reality is that its doubtful it will.

Internet turns everyone into assholes.

 

[8.5MS3]

Onelsono, which tune are you referring to? I'm on a blackberry and quoting and looking at pics is a PITA. If its the amr tune which is 265hp on a dyno dynamics, that tune was crap and yes I was well on my way to blowing. I know the akuma tune, tq peaks around 4k.

 

[twelveinch]

Thank you. Now that we are behaving like adults I will agree with you. I am a member of several forums and have a good idea to which one you are referring to. Yes I agree its completely rediculous for anyone to b**** about a car that blows because they doubled the power output. But not everyone sees it that way. Some do blow at low levels of modding and 90% of the time its driver error but no one will admit it.

Simple fact is that this platform is unable to be modified to high horsepower levels without requiring a major overhaul. This is a new type of engine for both mazda and the aftermarket. The power will come in time and I will wait until then. Hell on this thread with my stage 1 setup I was getting flamed, so if you are built and running strong, I hope it lasts, but the sad reality is that its doubtful it will.

Internet turns everyone into assholes.

Ahh, perfectly said and I agree 100%.

Like you said and that's what I'm telling people locally that this is a brand new platform in which the earliest MS3 model is an 07. Where as EVO's and WRX/STI's have been around for quite a while.

Yes, a lot have blown at half throttle or low amount of mods and they won't admit to doing something stupid because they don't want to look stupid on the forums.

Regardless, I have a s*** load of plans for the car. I don't post my mod list nor do I hardly say what my plans are. I'm not doing so to be an asshole it's because it just isn't me. If I reach my goal then I'll post something about it- I guess. If my engine does decide to blow, hey, I'm not going to cry about it or freak out. I'll just go get a new one. Until then, the car runs fabulously.

 

[onelsono]

Onelsono, which tune are you referring to? I'm on a blackberry and quoting and looking at pics is a PITA. If its the amr tune which is 265hp on a dyno dynamics, that tune was crap and yes I was well on my way to blowing. I know the akuma tune, tq peaks around 4k.

it doesnt really matter on your tune, ive herd people blowing bone stock, supposobly the reason why their blowing is b/c when your in a high gear and at low rpms, u give it gas and automatcally the boost spikes so much so early in the rpms. creating a huge spike in tourque very early. ppl say that the pressur that this causes is whet wears away the rods and eventually makes them crack or bend and shoot out the block. Thats what other threads have said. more or less the car is built more like a diesel truk than a car.

 

[onelsono]

ahh, perfectly said and i agree 100%.

Like you said and that's what i'm telling people locally that this is a brand new platform in which the earliest ms3 model is an 07. Where as evo's and wrx/sti's have been around for quite a while.

Yes, a lot have blown at half throttle or low amount of mods and they won't admit to doing something stupid because they don't want to look stupid on the forums.

Regardless, i have a s*** load of plans for the car. I don't post my mod list nor do i hardly say what my plans are. I'm not doing so to be an asshole it's because it just isn't me. If i reach my goal then i'll post something about it- i guess. If my engine does decide to blow, hey, i'm not going to cry about it or freak out. I'll just go get a new one. Until then, the car runs fabulously.

+1

 

[onelsono]

not bashing man, just sounds really inflated. one b/c it looks like you said you achieved these numbers on different dynos.

50hp doesnt sound possible with an intake and tune.

its very possible, the ms3 comes extremely conservative out the box, once you give it air and reflash it, it really opens it up, my car made 305whp with a turbo back, intake, and a stage2 map. then i got a prof. tune with 2-step and wot shifting =].. any1 else get that set up from cobb yet??

 

[8.5MS3]

I've got lc and ffs with my setup although I only use lc when autocrossing since its bad for the cats. FFS is detrimental to the clutch. As for the tq spike, yes I have seen the threads regarding how the car makes power but your missing the point. Your not supposed to give the car a ton of gas at low revs in a high gear, your supposed to downshift. Automatics make this idiot proof, as do manumatics. A true manual won't. Running 15psi at 2000rpm is bad, especially when the motor can't rev into a safe part of the rpm band because the car is in too high a gear. This concept is hard for some people to grasp and that is why people are blowing.

 

[onelsono]

I've got lc and ffs with my setup although I only use lc when autocrossing since its bad for the cats. FFS is detrimental to the clutch. As for the tq spike, yes I have seen the threads regarding how the car makes power but your missing the point. Your not supposed to give the car a ton of gas at low revs in a high gear, your supposed to downshift. Automatics make this idiot proof, as do manumatics. A true manual won't. Running 15psi at 2000rpm is bad, especially when the motor can't rev into a safe part of the rpm band because the car is in too high a gear. This concept is hard for some people to grasp and that is why people are blowing.

yea thats very true, but downsifting everytime you want to speed up a little bit doesnt come natural. Like if im doing 60 on an expressway in 6th id have to rev match it in 4th just to pass some1. that doesnt come natural to me atleast, id just give it some gas let it spool and pass the guy. ya know?

 

[240ka]

yea thats very true, but downsifting everytime you want to speed up a little bit doesnt come natural. Like if im doing 60 on an expressway in 6th id have to rev match it in 4th just to pass some1. that doesnt come natural to me atleast, id just give it some gas let it spool and pass the guy. ya know?

which is how you put too much load on the motor and risk popping...dont be lazy, downshift into the right gear and save the stress on your motor

 

[mr_mazda329]

which is how you put too much load on the motor and risk popping...dont be lazy, downshift into the right gear and save the stress on your motor

QFT. dont be lazy. You got a MT, not an auto. FWIW, I only go into 6th when i get over 75mph.

 

[onelsono]

yea u guys are right, but im not really worried about popping. When i daily drive i actually never even hit boost, i granny shift it all day. I only hit boost if im racing or if im just showing sum1 what it can do.

 

[8.5MS3]

yea in easy daily driving its not really necessary. if im driving at 70 in 6th and just need to pass someone, not really in a hurry, i just feather the throttle slightly, staying out of boost. its when some idiot decides to floor it at 70 in 6th that causes rods to bend

 

[onelsono]

yea in easy daily driving its not really necessary. if im driving at 70 in 6th and just need to pass someone, not really in a hurry, i just feather the throttle slightly, staying out of boost. its when some idiot decides to floor it at 70 in 6th that causes rods to bend

yup yup

 

[SaTeef]

worth getting AP only cobb sri inlet

hello i have seen that cobb offers a turbo inlet pipe for a few other brands i was wondering if they are coming out for one for the wrx

 

[ms6acton]

hello i have seen that cobb offers a turbo inlet pipe for a few other brands i was wondering if they are coming out for one for the wrx

cobbs website, or maybe the subaru forums.... since this is a mazda forum

 

[Wehrmacht]

which is how you put too much load on the motor and risk popping...dont be lazy, downshift into the right gear and save the stress on your motor

Good information here.