worth getting AP (only cobb sri + inlet)

[SomnoSpeed3]

Are you saying my AP ots tune for mscai is not specific enough even if it's my only mod? Not being a smart ass either, I'm being serious.

I am willing to get a Cobb custom tune but I don't think I can afford a full dyno and tune. I guess I would if it's the only thing that can save my engine.

 

[twelveinch]

Do some more reading. Stock MS3's have blown in the same manner as heavily modded cars. It's my belief that all these cars will eventually blow. They will not die of old age.

Yeah I did my reading. It surprises me that just recently you hear these stories of "stock engines" blowing up. I call BS. They either messed with something; put some after market parts on, had issues, and ended up going to stock after blowing and calling it a buff that the stock engine blew....

I could do the same s***. Slap an CAI, different spark plugs, fmic (**** something up without realizing- there's a lot of noob's modding their cars without having a clue as to what they are doing. So, then after slapping these bolt on they go beating the s*** out of their car not paying attention to a/f, timing, etc....the list goes on. Then the s*** goes BOOM. They feel stupid- put it back to stock come here on the forum claiming their car blew stock- as if there's some paranoia that the dealer will somehow monitor these forums, find out who they are, and void their warranty....lol

OR the car was kept stock... but never bothered doing regular maintenance on- probably used old oil.... lol on that one...

Was the car properly broken it? ETC, ETC...

Give me a brand new speed3 even the 2010 models for a couple of thousand miles (I'll keep it bone stock) and I'll make sure I'll make the engine go boom- because really it's not that hard to make it go BOOM, BOOM.

 

[8.5MS3]

Minor things like intakes don't require a tune, especially if you have the mazdaspeed intake which is covered by your warranty. You can use an ots map, but it may not be a "perfect fit".

Running an intake without a tune will not give you the maximum gain. An ots map will bring you closer but not all the way there. A custom map will maximize gains.

Yes there are horror stories of guys blowing at stock or slightly modified levels, but no one ever tells the whole story. Ego's play a big role. I know first hand of someone with all cobb parts that lost a cylinder and never beat on his car. There will always be someone like that. But the majority either beats the piss outa the car, mis shifts or can't drive a manual properly.

Run the ots map and monitor as cobb specifies. If everything falls within the requirements you're good to go. Otherwise give cobb a call and tell them what's going on. They're really helpful and can work with you using atr to help you build a custom map yourself

 

[twelveinch]

Are you saying my AP ots tune for mscai is not specific enough even if it's my only mod? Not being a smart ass either, I'm being serious.

I am willing to get a Cobb custom tune but I don't think I can afford a full dyno and tune. I guess I would if it's the only thing that can save my engine.

Honestly man, don't listen to the other when they tell you that it's good enough. It might be it might not be. It varies from car to car. I could slap on the same mods you have without any mods- beat the s*** out of the car and drive without blowing it. You can do the same and blow.

Not speaking this directly towards you but I don't see how it is so hard for some people to understand this.

I personally take care of my car, I know what it needs, what I want to give it, what not to do, etc.

Modification is a gamble- period. However, I personally think the per-loaded/tuned cobb maps are BS. In example, they make a map for their (COBB SRI; FMIC) but you have a cp-e FMIC and CPE CAI..... don't you see the problem here? Different dimensions and specs all together....

Some people are running lean as **** and don't even have a clue because they have nothing to monitor their a/f with.

 

[twelveinch]

Minor things like intakes don't require a tune, They're really helpful and can work with you using atr to help you build a custom map yourself

...and several miles down the road the engine goes BOOM, right?

I had a good time reading stories of "noobs' doing their custom maps..... then they come back to the forums and make threads about how their car is running poorly......and what they should do. 100 people give their input, one says do this the other says do that- and the rest is history.....

A few months later, the car blows, people get frustrated and start to make up some BS theories about how there's a design flow.... or that this car can't handle mods...

Wake up people, not all engines are build the same. Some will hold up better with mods then others. The Evo X engine stock will do wonders. A simple CAI, Exhaust and tune will yield you 350WHP....

Sorry, but I'm just tried of hearing people b**** about how weak this engine is because it's not.

 

[8.5MS3]

That's why I specifically said to call cobb. Calm the **** down your rant is becoming tiring. This topic has been beaten to death...welcome to last week. If people think they can tune themselves then let them. No skin off anyones back but theirs. The op asked a simple question and I gave a trutheful answer. Whose to say your custom tune won't make you blow? For all I know your tuner didn't know his ass from his elbow. But I don't rant about it and discourage others. There will always be risks when modding. Gotta pay to play

OP - as I said before run the ots map and monitor your engine with the ap. Do a few logs and shoot them over to cobb. They will help point you in the right direction if the tune needs tweaking

 

[twelveinch]

That's why I specifically said to call cobb. Calm the **** down your rant is becoming tiring. This topic has been beaten to death...welcome to last week. If people think they can tune themselves then let them. No skin off anyones back but theirs. The op asked a simple question and I gave a trutheful answer. Whose to say your custom tune won't make you blow? For all I know your tuner didn't know his ass from his elbow. But I don't rant about it and discourage others. There will always be risks when modding. Gotta pay to play

OP - as I said before run the ots map and monitor your engine with the ap. Do a few logs and shoot them over to cobb. They will help point you in the right direction if the tune needs tweaking

Calm the **** down. He asked a question and I answered him. I thought I get a little discussion going regarding the risks as well and yes went of on a little rant. If you don't want to read it or contribute to it stay out or shut your face. I never said custom tune won't make my engine or another persons blow. I'm not discouraging him from modding but just just stating the risks.

 

[08cosmic3]

Twelve, how come you don't have your mods listed? Your not scared it might blow and mazda will see your mods on this site and void your warranty are you? Would you be one of those people to revert back to stock before taking it to the dealer with a vented block. If your so sure it will be ok then e-mail Mazda your mod list.

 

[8.5MS3]

I have been contributing. And it has been a calm discussion until you came in and derailed the thread. Your only contribution was the first sentence in you first post. Everything beyond that was a lecture to either me or 08cosmic3. So just get the **** out and go rant somewhere else

 

[solidtrance]

As another option you could get your Cobb from MazdaManiac. He mostly works with 8's which is why I know about his service. I have it for my 8 and his tune seems a little better than the Cobb stage 1. I know you all are talking about the MS3. The last time I was on his site I noticed that he is offering his tuning service for MS3 and MS6. I don't know anything about his work with the 3 and 6, but this would be another option that you may want to research. I'm not going to get into detail, because I don't know enough about the topic to do anything more that offer another option. A google search should get you to his website.

 

[8.5MS3]

Lol...I'm not gonna get into a pissing match with a 2 year old. Got nuthin else to say but gotta have the last word...

 

[240ka]

whats going to save the motors is getting away from the stock tune...its way too aggressive. too much tq

 

[amilliems6]

thanks man, i dont understand why whenever someone gets good gains with this platform everyone's gotta knock it. Akuma is owned by John from Cobb/Precision, so yea its a good shop. suprised no one bashed the 100whp/tq increase at 6-6.5k

A lot of people are just used to FAIL with this car that’s why s*** is hard to believe

Yeah I did my reading. It surprises me that just recently you hear these stories of "stock engines" blowing up. I call BS. They either messed with something; put some after market parts on, had issues, and ended up going to stock after blowing and calling it a buff that the stock engine blew....

I could do the same s***. Slap an CAI, different spark plugs, fmic (**** something up without realizing- there's a lot of noob's modding their cars without having a clue as to what they are doing. So, then after slapping these bolt on they go beating the s*** out of their car not paying attention to a/f, timing, etc....the list goes on. Then the s*** goes BOOM. They feel stupid- put it back to stock come here on the forum claiming their car blew stock- as if there's some paranoia that the dealer will somehow monitor these forums, find out who they are, and void their warranty....lol

OR the car was kept stock... but never bothered doing regular maintenance on- probably used old oil.... lol on that one...

Was the car properly broken it? ETC, ETC...

Give me a brand new speed3 even the 2010 models for a couple of thousand miles (I'll keep it bone stock) and I'll make sure I'll make the engine go boom- because really it's not that hard to make it go BOOM, BOOM.

Lol you sure do assume a lot of s***. Im not trying to start anything with you but im pretty sure if you buy this car then you’re most likely not a retard and know what ur doing ( oil change and other s*** blah blah blah) some guys have actually blown their s*** stock and I don’t think you’ve been around that long to know every story on every platform.. why would some1 come on here bullshiting us that they blew stock when they were modded..
But hey that’s just my opinion just like you have urs.

and neither is there a proper or perfect way to break in ur engine either

 

[twelveinch]

Twelve, how come you don't have your mods listed? Your not scared it might blow and mazda will see your mods on this site and void your warranty are you? Would you be one of those people to revert back to stock before taking it to the dealer with a vented block. If your so sure it will be ok then e-mail Mazda your mod list.

Why should I post my mod list? I'm not trying to be a dick, but why should I? If you look at my "immobilizer" thread- when I had this s*** activated a few months back, I took the car to the dealer to have the ecu reprogrammed/re-flashed. The dealer didn't void my warranty and even if they did I wouldn't care. Why would I care about warranty if I'm modding my car?

I'm pushing this car to it's max. With all the mods I have done and everything this car went through- not once, since day one had I ever had a CEL, any sort of codes or any sort of other issues (drivetrain, etc).

If I push it further and it blows- oh well. I go and buy a new block.

I'm simply modifying this car for my own personal enjoyment/gains.

 

[amilliems6]

...and several miles down the road the engine goes BOOM, right?

I had a good time reading stories of "noobs' doing their custom maps..... then they come back to the forums and make threads about how their car is running poorly......and what they should do. 100 people give their input, one says do this the other says do that- and the rest is history.....

A few months later, the car blows, people get frustrated and start to make up some BS theories about how there's a design flow.... or that this car can't handle mods...

Wake up people, not all engines are build the same. Some will hold up better with mods then others. The Evo X engine stock will do wonders. A simple CAI, Exhaust and tune will yield you 350WHP....

Sorry, but I'm just tried of hearing people b**** about how weak this engine is because it's not.

actually the engine is weak.. thats why so many people blow it **********. thats why people have to rebuild the engine in order not to go boom boom. wow man where have you been for these past 6 months when you joined the community? i have a friend that ran a t73 turbo on his evo and ran over 700hp on c16 on a stock engine and didnt blow.. lol no1 has even gotten to that here now have they? yea fuels the problem but the engine is also weak.. even if someone found the solution to our fuel.. no way in hell this engine would handle 500hp

no offense man but do some research before you go posting some dumbass s*** like that on this thread sayin that our engine isnt weak

and like i said no offense man im not trying to start s***

 

[8.5MS3]

Its called economics ******. If a company can save money on materials by using the thinnest rods possible then they will, especially now. This isn't like it was back in the day where everything was over engineered, now everything is calculated to the thousandths of an inch. So yea the car is designed to put out what it does outa the factory with a slim safety margin. Once we exceed the design specs its only a matter of time...it just happens to be that we are almost at the limit out of the box. And comparing 2 completely different cars is just stupid. See you on the blown forums real soon. And if you did know what the **** you were talking about. The first thing you woulda done if going for big power was sleeve the block and shove the beefiest internals you could into it.

 

[amilliems6]

Its called economics dumbass. If a company can save money on materials by using the thinnest rods possible then they will, especially now. This isn't like it was back in the day where everything was over engineered, now everything is calculated to the thousandths of an inch. So yea the car is designed to put out what it does outa the factory with a slim safety margin. Once we exceed the design specs its only a matter of time...it just happens to be that we are almost at the limit out of the box. And comparing 2 completely different cars is just stupid. See you on the blown forums real soon. And if you did know what the **** you were talking about. The first thing you woulda done if going for big power was sleeve the block and shove the beefiest internals you could into it.

lol i hope that wasnt to me?

 

[8.5MS3]

Haha no. I'm only a dick to guys who like to stir up s***. Other than that I'm really a nice guy

 

[amilliems6]

Haha no. I'm only a dick to guys who like to stir up s***. Other than that I'm really a nice guy

oh ok lol.. just double checking cuz im on ur side

 

[twelveinch]

actually the engine is weak.. thats why so many people blow it you retard. thats why people have to rebuild the engine in order not to go boom boom. wow man where have you been for these past 6 months when you joined the community? i have a friend that ran a t73 turbo on his evo and ran over 700hp on c16 on a stock engine and didnt blow.. lol no1 has even gotten to that here now have they? yea fuels the problem but the engine is also weak.. even if someone found the solution to our fuel.. no way in hell this engine would handle 500hp

no offense man but do some research before you go posting some dumbass s*** like that on this thread sayin that our engine isnt weak

and like i said no offense man im not trying to start s***

Look, I understand where you're coming from and I'm not trying to be a dick. However, understand my perspective/opinion on this.


If you're comparing this engine to an EVO's engine who's able to produce so much power on stock internals- then, yes, by all means the engine is weak.

However, you can run well over 300WHP on this engine and it will hold up if you know what you're doing and maintain it.

But like I said in one of my earlier posts... obviously, not all engines are build the same which means not all of them will have the same tolerances to supports x amount of HP beyond factory specs.

Just because this engine is only able to go up to 350WHP (if you make it there without blowing) doesn't make it weak in its own right. Christ, it's like comparing apples to bananas. If you consider this engine to be weak because it won't go over 400WHP on stock internals.... sure.

If I wanted a "strong" engine that is able to go well over 400WHP on stock internals I would bought myself an EVO.... but where the fun in that...

In my opinion, this engine "as an overall" is a solid engine. Majority of engines run into issues once you start to operate them beyond their factory specs. Some last longer then others and unfortunately the MS3's doesn't.

This whole engine is a challenge especially if you want to bring it well over 400 WHP. A few have already done it but once you're there- it's a good feeling.