winter tires for the 17"

[crossbow]

3Wheeler,

You can't have both an awesome "ultra high performance" summer tire and winter tire in the same package. Thats technically impossible.

The main reason for this is the type of compounds used for each tire type. Winter tires generally use a compound which grips best when temperatures drop below a set degree, usually around 45F or lower. Summer tires do the opposite, they grip best in the upper temperature range and generally have a higher heat ceiling then general or all-season tires.

All-seasons tend to try to both be the same type of tire at the same time, sacrificing grip in both situations for increased ride comfort and noise levels.

I am not debating that your winter tire selection isn't good...by all reports its an excellent tire. I am just pointing out it in no way shape or form compares to a dedicated summer tire. It at closest aproximation matches a decent all-season in lateral stability and dry grip. And by reviews, does outperform the MX4 mich's...but then of course, so does half the tire market .

 

[3Wheeler]

Hi Crossbow,

I don't mean any disrespect, and certainly know nothing about tire technology, but consider these:

1. In my experience, the Yoki AVS Winters are far better to drive than the stock Goodyears or the Kumho ASX All Seasons. They stick like glue when it's hot and dry (flew through some nice twisties last week on them). I'm not the only one to feel that they perform like summers; I saw several people expressing that thought when researching the tires, but can only locate one at the moment: Cecil's quote here http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews.asp?manufacturer=Yokohama&model=AVS+Winter+V901
2. What's "technically impossible" yesterday may be possible today or tomorrow (recall Bill Gate's early comments on computers). Here's what Yoki itself says about the AVS Winters: "[O]ur high performance AVS Winter radial is in a class of its own! In fact, this signals a definitive advance in winter tire technology, a revolutionary new radial tire thats part of our ultra-high performance AVS line but is designed expressly for winter! Thanks to the remarkably similar construction shared with the AVS summer radial, our new AVS Winter combines the advantages of high performance with the added benefit of superior winter traction. In fact, it offers the best of both worlds: superior traction on wet or snowy surfaces and the handling of a high performance summer tire on dry pavement." Quote taken from here:http://www.yokohamatire.ca/en/tireselector/pcw.htm#avswinter

I suspect that the Yokis will outpeform some but not all high performance summers. When I go to buy my summers, I'll be trying to find ones that the Yoki AVS Winters will not outperform. Maybe more Yokis, or Toyos.

 

[crossbow]

3wheeler,

Read your own post. They outperform some all-seasons...not summer tires. And one of your comparitive sites...is the Yoki site itself . Thats slightly biased . I can definitely agree that they might outperform some all-seasons on dry payment, but not a summer tire.

The worst summer tire available, is still better then the best all season. And I'm almost certain the yoki winter tires can't match something like a Proxy4 in dry grip and lateral stability.

When I did a search on your tires they had many favorable reviews...but many of the people owning them had a second set of summer tires, which indicates their grip isn't good enough for year round use...and that they excel in what their designed for...grip in temps below 45F.

Basically if you drove on winter tires, on hot summer alphalt, they'd tear themselves to pieces, and you'd be left with chunked up, useless winter tires. Trust me on this one. Its due to the material used in the tire, not the tread or design.

 

[Bluesv]

hey, Mike444, if u are getting those tires get them where I gat it for, which is here http://www.tirerack.com the list price is only 93$ plus shiping campered to yours 133, I hope u will get this message before u buy, also this tire gets my thumps up, since I am happy with it

 

[goldwing2000]

hey, Mike444, if u are getting those tires get them where I gat it for, which is here http://www.tirerack.com the list price is only 93$ plus shiping campered to yours 133, I hope u will get this message before u buy, also this tire gets my thumps up, since I am happy with it

He's in Canada. If you do the exchange rate, it comes out about the same.

 

[Bluesv]

ok, plus cheaper shipping, so hes better off buying from the other place ,and now I know where to shop for tires in Canada, cool