Vanimaniac
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Yeah, I watched Brian's runs this weekend. I wouldn't say he was outdriven by the other drivers. Unfortunately he may have been outcarred!
Van
Van
Wide Auto-x Tires - 245/4X/17
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Sorry if I caused any confusion!!! I posted that you were on a 45 offset which is obviously wrong. I recalled you guys saying that you could be 5mm off legally and that was all you had done. I always assumed/knew the MSP's to be a 48/50mm offset so I assumed you were at 45... didn't know any of our cars came at a 55 offset. Regardless, all that was important to me was that it was possible to get a 245 width race slick on these cars without serious fender alteration.
And yeah... these guys had to race against some serious competition. Our region is known for a lot of very good drivers and DS is actually one of the classes we have some good ones in. Bob Clark in the 325i is known to be a good driver and also very good at setting up his car and so forth. So these guys were running against some very tough cars and drivers... I also believe that they had times within 2 seconds of my car if not even less and that I think further proves two things... 1) I have a lot more to learn and drive better and 2) Macs and his codriver can definitely drive.
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1 194 Bartek Borowski 2001 Acura Integra Hoosier Chicago Reg 65.393(2) 60.583 62.495(1) 122.000
[94] Elmwood Park, IL CN
62.041 62.060 61.417
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2 23 JT Letkeman 2002 Audi TT Quattro Hoosier Badlands Re 60.872 61.080 61.132 122.645
Steinbach, MB JMS Design Fusion/Pevac America CN
64.300(1) 62.008 61.773 (0.645)
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3 94 Hubert Borowski 2001 Acura Integra Hoosier Chicago Reg 63.415(1) 61.838 61.124 123.516
[194] Elmwood Park, IL CN
62.595 62.493 62.392 (0.871)
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4 1 Bob Clark 2002 BMW 330ci Hoosier Milwaukee R 62.095 63.374 61.914 124.255
Milwaukee, WI Fastenation CN
63.062 62.828 62.341 (0.739)
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5 25 Todd A. Moore 2001 BMW 325Ci Kumho Milwaukee R 61.870 61.836 DNF 124.843
Waukesha, WI CN
63.007 65.526(1) 63.484 (0.588)
6 192 Adam Ansorge 2000 Acura Integra Hankook Des Moines V62.871 63.814(1) 62.424 125.494
[92] Austin, MN MAC Attack MW
63.726 63.151 63.070 (0.651)
7 69 Ken J Stefancic 2005 Dodge SRT-4 ACR Kumho Milwaukee R 62.731 DNF 62.268 125.849
Franklin, WI Hakuna Matata Motorsports CN
64.947 63.605 63.581 (0.355)
8 2 Steve Baumbach 2005 Dodge SRT4 ACR Kumho Detroit Regi 64.444(1) 63.393 62.695 126.183
Jackson, MI GL
63.488 63.727 64.922(1) (0.334)
9 76 Greg Meier 2002 Lexus IS300 Kumho Chicago Reg 62.505 63.239 64.318(1) 126.291
[176] Downers Grove, IL Solowerks CN
66.092(1) 63.786 63.891 (0.108)
10 21 Michael Brausen 2001 BMW 330i Hoosier Land O' Lak 67.764(2) 62.810 67.002(2) 126.489
[121] Bloomington, MN Jeff The Alignment Guy CN
70.096(3) 63.679 66.251(1) (0.198)
11 121 Matt Murphy 2001 BMW 330i Hoosier Land O' Lak 65.976(1) 66.065(1) 63.630 127.277
[21] Minneapolis, MN CN
65.551 DNF 63.647 (0.788)
12 176 Donnie Bartalone 2002 Lexus IS300 Kumho Chicago Reg 67.285(2) 65.260(1) 63.110 127.705
[76] Schaumburg, IL CN
64.595 66.983(1) 65.454 (0.428)
13 133 Brian McNamara 2003 Mazda Mazdaspeed P Hoosier Detroit Regi 63.713 65.096(1) 63.128 127.764
[33] Pontiac, MI GL
72.650(4) 66.358(1) 64.636 (0.059)
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3-Run Results
2007 Milwaukee Tour July 7-8, 2007
Po Nbr Driver's name, Town Car, Sponsor Tire Mfg Rgn,Div Course 1, Course 2 Score
14 33 Brandon Hagaman 03 Mazda Speed Protege Hoosier 64.492 63.448 63.330 127.775
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66.229(1) 65.017 64.445 (0.011)
15 92 Chris DeLay 2000 Acura Integra Type R Kumho Land O' Lak 64.221 63.707 DSQ 128.617
[192] Hudson, WI CN 66.708(1) 66.014(1) 64.910 (0.842)I also believe the Barowski's have trophied at nationals several times... fast guys.
Here are the SM results as well.... You can definitely see my bad day on Sunday...
1 97 Allen Kugler 1988 Honda Herman Hoosier Susquehann 58.883 57.363 57.500 115.546
[197] Springtown, PA Fast Brakes/Redshift Motorsports NE
DNF 59.247 58.183
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2 178 Andrew Lieber 2006 Mitsubishi EVO IX R Hoosier Saginaw Va 58.084 57.346 58.939(1) 115.598
[78] Bay City, MI Showcase Mitsubishi GL
59.154 58.499 58.252 (0.052)
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3 197 Christopher Janusz 1988 Honda Civic Hoosier Northeaster 59.295 58.542 57.976 117.005
[97] Hunlock Creek, PA RedShift Motorsports / Fast Brakes NE
59.971 59.029 59.038 (1.407)
4 78 Jarrod Hoops 2006 Mitsubishi EVO IX R Hoosier Saginaw Va 58.296 57.610 59.489(1) 117.762
[178] Midland, MI Showcase Mitsubishi GL
DNF 61.490(1) 60.152(1) (0.757)
5 98 John Fessler 1994 Honda Civic Kumho 69.445(1) 63.070(1) 62.591(1) 123.595
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66.895(2) 74.206(1) 61.004 (5.833)
6 2 Steve Nackers 2001 Mazda MP3 Kumho Milwaukee R 65.604(1) 62.341 61.777 125.983
Madison, WI NSN Motorsports CN
64.206 DNF 66.537(1) (2.388)
7 39 Pete Papageorge 2005 Toyota Tacoma X-Run BFGoodrich Milwaukee R 65.714 64.861 64.029 129.590
Stevens Point, WI Mark Toyota CN 69.559(1) 65.561 65.609 (3.607)
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xelderx said:
Andy Lieber and Jared Hoops are other good drivers in a fast car that are tough to compete against.
As for DS, this was the closest I could get to the Nationals pack without going to Nationals. I don't think I'll ever get the MSP into the top three or four spots but I could get a lot closer than I was in Milwaukee. John Tak and I did better in Peru, and that had to do with a better set up. I tried different brake pads for Milwaukee to try and reduce the "Ice Mode" issue but I made it worse. Not only did the I have "Ice Mode" but I couldn't stop either. I almost tossed in the towel and gave up on the car for good until someone said I can't drive. It pissed me off and made me realize I can't quit now. Now I just need to figure out where to get another $3K to finish the car (wet build and Kosie K1TS wheels).
Yeah... I knew that i had a batch of some of the best in my class and that Evo and Civic were well prepped cars. That's why I do the national tour events because it gives me a good chance to gauge myself against good drivers. I had hoped to be within about 3 seconds of them and on the first day I was close... if I had been within 1 second of them I would have s*** a brick as that would have shown that I'm getting close on setup and driving. I wasn't so I know I have more work to do. I think I can get the MP3 to be surprisingly competitive and do well locally and divisionally, but don't have much allusion for nationals. My plan is to probably go to SS in 3-4 years and buy and build the car specifically for that class and that class alone (I'll consider AS or BS though as well, but I like fast 
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And considering my car is not on the right size rims and tires, not corner weighted, not lightened, and running only the MSP LSD and not a Quaife yet... there is lots and lots of progress to be made with it.
).And considering my car is not on the right size rims and tires, not corner weighted, not lightened, and running only the MSP LSD and not a Quaife yet... there is lots and lots of progress to be made with it.
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Vanimaniac
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Steve, your car seemed to have a bit more body roll than the top SM guys, at least in my corner of the course.
At least you beat the Tacoma!! (first)
Van
At least you beat the Tacoma!! (first)
Van
I need to get the CG a bit lower, I'm running more clearance than I need really. I also have the stock sway bars on the car right now which I think is sufficient. I'm reading some suspension books to figure out the best routes to go. I may pre-load the springs to a higher level or put in a stiffer spring in order to reduce some of that roll, but yeah, I know the car rolls a bit and it lifts the rear tire sometimes as well during hard cornering.
Alrighty... so I took a bunch of measurements tonight and did some fit checks with my current rims etc. It looks like I'll have to go with the 8" rims with the 42mm offset. I'll likely pick up some 1/8" spacers (4mm) and use those as well and switch to a slightly longer ARP wheel stud if I can. It looks like the ideal offset on my setup would be about 35 or 37mm but the rims that I checked out that are low weight don't have that. I feel reasonably comfortable with using such a thin spacer. Basically the 28mm would give me the extra room I need/want but will run in to the outer fenders it appears. My current 7.5" rims at a 45mm offset at -3 in the front and -2 in the rear gives both front and rear about a 4-5mm clearance to the struts and about 1" to the fender in the front and about 3/4" to the fender in the rear. I think I may also grab some 1/4" spacers to allow for some different configuration attempts... otherwise I'm going to try to keep an eye out for some rims that would fit my needs... but 20 lb rims nearly at the right offset for 136 a pop shipped is worth the extra hassle I think.
Definitely going to need to do some fender rolling though...
Definitely going to need to do some fender rolling though...
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What'd you do for rust proofing? I was hoping to also be able to actually bend that final flange out a little bit as wel to gain just a few more millimeters as well... so may cut it and then also use a roller on it to try to gain a little more if I need it.
