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why is there a street racing section?
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dmitrik4 said:
sorry i just can't argue with your logic.
have you ever raced on the street? have you ever broken any traffic laws?
don't feel bad, TR. i have an engineering degree and (in May) a law degree. logic is what i do. 
btw, that was meant as a joke. if you have a response, then by all means state it. i'm listening.
but to answer your questions:
1. yes, as i've stated elsewhere, i have street raced in the past. i once was clocked at 125 in a 55, racing an ITR in my RSX-S, and narrowly avoided getting pulled over. it was at that point i realized it was dangerous and immature, and i stopped doing it, even though i had only ever done it "when it was safe."
when i was a teenager, i drove like an asshole, even though i had a slow, 3-spd auto corolla. do i regret that? of course. will i try to dissuade others from that behavior? yep...i was lucky; someone else might not be.
2. no, i'm not a little old lady driver, except in residential areas. i drive with traffic; since traffic is usually moving over the limit, so am i. i try not to drive markedly faster or slower than traffic around me.
that said, i have no problem telling others not to street race. i don't feel the least bit bad or hypocritical about it, either. if i still raced, THAT would be hypocritical. look, i understand the appeal of it, but that doesn't lessen the danger and immaturity. even so, you don't see me in that forum preaching to people...and i've never said "don't speed." just don't be a jackass about it. and racing is a whle different game than just speeding.
and in any case, all of that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. the question was asked: should we have that forum? i voiced my opinion, and the reasoning behind it, and i'm enjoying the discussion. that's all. if someone voices a compelling counterargument, i'm willing to be persuaded.
btw, that was meant as a joke. if you have a response, then by all means state it. i'm listening.
but to answer your questions:
1. yes, as i've stated elsewhere, i have street raced in the past. i once was clocked at 125 in a 55, racing an ITR in my RSX-S, and narrowly avoided getting pulled over. it was at that point i realized it was dangerous and immature, and i stopped doing it, even though i had only ever done it "when it was safe."
when i was a teenager, i drove like an asshole, even though i had a slow, 3-spd auto corolla. do i regret that? of course. will i try to dissuade others from that behavior? yep...i was lucky; someone else might not be.
2. no, i'm not a little old lady driver, except in residential areas. i drive with traffic; since traffic is usually moving over the limit, so am i. i try not to drive markedly faster or slower than traffic around me.
that said, i have no problem telling others not to street race. i don't feel the least bit bad or hypocritical about it, either. if i still raced, THAT would be hypocritical. look, i understand the appeal of it, but that doesn't lessen the danger and immaturity. even so, you don't see me in that forum preaching to people...and i've never said "don't speed." just don't be a jackass about it. and racing is a whle different game than just speeding.
and in any case, all of that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. the question was asked: should we have that forum? i voiced my opinion, and the reasoning behind it, and i'm enjoying the discussion. that's all. if someone voices a compelling counterargument, i'm willing to be persuaded.
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I say keep it in but change it up
1. leave it where it is even though its illegal its been done like this ever since moonshine runners suped up there cars to get the beer to the bar in the south and running from the police since there cars couldn't keep up. (muscle car history)
2. have it get dumped every 30days the last time i look the stories are of poor quality anyway and they add up taking up room
3. put up a disclaimer saying that this place doesnt condom it but has it for the young kids in age or mind to post up what they did and not take up room in the other sections.
4. make a thread in there that states why you shouldn't do street racing and post a s*** load of picture with blood and crashes to let the Extra young people understand this is not a movie and s*** can go very wrong. (hell call that thread street kills)
5. hell if you want put up pointers so if they do do it in back roads even though it may not be right drop some knowledge on them so they can at the least organize it so the risk of stray cars getting hit will decrease.
6. change it up to rice battles, ego strokes, or street battles what ever you think to call it.
I have drag before mostly because i'm stupid and feel that my car is my hobby and if i put the money in it like i am i will do what makes me happy although i don't drag a lot because its really no fun even though amongst friends it can be in the right environment. I like track racing but i don't always have the opportunity to do that and tracks aren't free nor open every day 24/7. but just keep it, it isn't going to bother you and if you feel that strongly about drag racing go find the local drag spot and rat it out every time or just go into the section and post how you feel very time someone post a race, that way you can be a good parent. Either way I'd like to see how many poeple don't speed cause to me if your speeding your already in the wrong which i (don't know about you) but me, myself, & I already know i deserve a ticket when i'm pulled over if and when it does happen. Just my 2cents (rei)
1. leave it where it is even though its illegal its been done like this ever since moonshine runners suped up there cars to get the beer to the bar in the south and running from the police since there cars couldn't keep up. (muscle car history)
2. have it get dumped every 30days the last time i look the stories are of poor quality anyway and they add up taking up room
3. put up a disclaimer saying that this place doesnt condom it but has it for the young kids in age or mind to post up what they did and not take up room in the other sections.
4. make a thread in there that states why you shouldn't do street racing and post a s*** load of picture with blood and crashes to let the Extra young people understand this is not a movie and s*** can go very wrong. (hell call that thread street kills)
5. hell if you want put up pointers so if they do do it in back roads even though it may not be right drop some knowledge on them so they can at the least organize it so the risk of stray cars getting hit will decrease.
6. change it up to rice battles, ego strokes, or street battles what ever you think to call it.
I have drag before mostly because i'm stupid and feel that my car is my hobby and if i put the money in it like i am i will do what makes me happy although i don't drag a lot because its really no fun even though amongst friends it can be in the right environment. I like track racing but i don't always have the opportunity to do that and tracks aren't free nor open every day 24/7. but just keep it, it isn't going to bother you and if you feel that strongly about drag racing go find the local drag spot and rat it out every time or just go into the section and post how you feel very time someone post a race, that way you can be a good parent. Either way I'd like to see how many poeple don't speed cause to me if your speeding your already in the wrong which i (don't know about you) but me, myself, & I already know i deserve a ticket when i'm pulled over if and when it does happen. Just my 2cents (rei)
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Guys,
Logics, Opinion's, Explanations and all... this it turning out to be one of those drawn out Drama movie's that has an incoherent ending... (Not ment to insult anyone)
Basically... do we keep it or not? And/or if we keep it; does it stay as it is or what?
I'm running out of popcorn here and my soda has no ice...so let's just get to the point find a resolve (if any) and move on...
"A mind can not be molded to what it should be without failure to understand"
Logics, Opinion's, Explanations and all... this it turning out to be one of those drawn out Drama movie's that has an incoherent ending... (Not ment to insult anyone)
Basically... do we keep it or not? And/or if we keep it; does it stay as it is or what?
I'm running out of popcorn here and my soda has no ice...so let's just get to the point find a resolve (if any) and move on...
"A mind can not be molded to what it should be without failure to understand"
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first off: moving it to the dumpster is great imo because it shows a lack of acknowledgement from the forum for it and because most of the stories tend to be bulls*** anyways 
I voted to keep it.
reason being that people are generally stupid. regardless of whether or not there is a forum for it, people will do it. I do it when people are willing to 'challenge' me on an open road/highway. I've had the car almost a year and been in a grand total of 4 'races' because those were the only times the situation allowed for a generally "safe" venue to race. telling stories about it is crap imo, but some people need to have that ego moment where they tell the world of their 'accomplishments.'
as far as the argument goes that it promotes people to do something illegal and dangerous... modifying your exhaust with a product from an official forum-approved vendor (headers, mid-pipes) is illegal and potentially dangerous. (people install things wrong and they could fall off the car, etc)...
having an audio forum that shows people how to create distractions from the roadway that are both auditory and visual (headunits, in-dash screens for the visual). that's dangerous and illegal depeding on volume and in some jursidictions its illegal to install screens in the driver's view...
we have a suspension, wheel & tire forum that shows people how to modify their suspension components to an illegal level. the possibility that someone poorly installs suspension parts or has a problem with lugnuts, blown tires, etc is far more deadly than a majority of street racing...
yeah, generally, street racing is stupid; but this forum does not endorse it, nor does having a forum for it condone it. that is the member's job; to either endorse/condone/yell at the people that do it/etc... its a community standard that would show whether or not we condone it.
oh and for the legal argument, it does open the forum to a bit of unnecessary liability but it would be difficult for anyone to attempt to subpeona Antoine or a forum rep. as he is in Japan. just to serve him would cost a plaintiff's attorney almost $5k (I know as the firm I work for has served someone there before from overseas)... I think Antoine should take the exposure into consideration but the majority of that liability could be dealt away with in a disclaimer at the top of any page within the section (wherever it may end up). that combined with the deterrence of getting someone served should shore up any sort of liability.
p.s. also in law school. congrats on your upcoming graduation dmitrik4. good luck on the bar.
I voted to keep it.
reason being that people are generally stupid. regardless of whether or not there is a forum for it, people will do it. I do it when people are willing to 'challenge' me on an open road/highway. I've had the car almost a year and been in a grand total of 4 'races' because those were the only times the situation allowed for a generally "safe" venue to race. telling stories about it is crap imo, but some people need to have that ego moment where they tell the world of their 'accomplishments.'
as far as the argument goes that it promotes people to do something illegal and dangerous... modifying your exhaust with a product from an official forum-approved vendor (headers, mid-pipes) is illegal and potentially dangerous. (people install things wrong and they could fall off the car, etc)...
having an audio forum that shows people how to create distractions from the roadway that are both auditory and visual (headunits, in-dash screens for the visual). that's dangerous and illegal depeding on volume and in some jursidictions its illegal to install screens in the driver's view...
we have a suspension, wheel & tire forum that shows people how to modify their suspension components to an illegal level. the possibility that someone poorly installs suspension parts or has a problem with lugnuts, blown tires, etc is far more deadly than a majority of street racing...
yeah, generally, street racing is stupid; but this forum does not endorse it, nor does having a forum for it condone it. that is the member's job; to either endorse/condone/yell at the people that do it/etc... its a community standard that would show whether or not we condone it.
oh and for the legal argument, it does open the forum to a bit of unnecessary liability but it would be difficult for anyone to attempt to subpeona Antoine or a forum rep. as he is in Japan. just to serve him would cost a plaintiff's attorney almost $5k (I know as the firm I work for has served someone there before from overseas)... I think Antoine should take the exposure into consideration but the majority of that liability could be dealt away with in a disclaimer at the top of any page within the section (wherever it may end up). that combined with the deterrence of getting someone served should shore up any sort of liability.
p.s. also in law school. congrats on your upcoming graduation dmitrik4. good luck on the bar.
I feel that if the mods stepped up to the plate and started deleting the street racing posts that get posted elsewhere people will start to learn. Change the name of the "Racing/Motorsports" forum to just "Motorsports", give it a disclaimer at the top that it is for posting about sanctioned/insured events only and that will solve the problem there. Once again, the problem isn't that people street race...that is not part of the argument here. What we need to focus on is whether or not having a dedicated forum to brag about it is beneficial to the whole forum community. I don't believe it benifits us in anyway. Even to have a place just to voice disapproval is a skewed way to look at it. If we don't have to suffer through the posts to begin with we won't have to waste our time and tell people our position on it. It saves bandwidth regardless of how you look at it and if the mods stay on top of the situation the forum will be just the way it always is without all the bragging and in turn all the lectures. Everybody gets a little piece of thier life back that they may have spent otherwise defending or denouncing street racing. Everyone wins.
voting already ended and the majority voted for it to stay.... Antoine said end of day on the 10th would decide and there were more votes to keep it than to remove it, so this thread should be closed....
no more reason to debate, just time to move on to other things...
I don't mind the section having the same setup as the dumpster and emptying out at the end of every month, I forgot who suggested that, but I thought was a good idea... In addition, keep the section as it's own section so other sections don't get cluttered up because people have to dig for it if it was a sub-forum.... I think those suggestions are actually a combo of two seperate peoples suggestions here, but I think it would work...
no more reason to debate, just time to move on to other things...
I don't mind the section having the same setup as the dumpster and emptying out at the end of every month, I forgot who suggested that, but I thought was a good idea... In addition, keep the section as it's own section so other sections don't get cluttered up because people have to dig for it if it was a sub-forum.... I think those suggestions are actually a combo of two seperate peoples suggestions here, but I think it would work...
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