why is there a street racing section?

[jersey_emt]

To those who are adamantly opposed to having the street racing subforum of racing & motorsports, would making the section a subforum of Off-Topic, wher posts don't and to your post count and which auto-deletes every 30 days like the DUMPSTER, be an acceptable compromise? A 61%/39% vote clearly shows that a majority thinks the forum should stay, but 39% is a number too high to completely ignore.

*This is just a suggestion and may not be approved. Just wondering what your thoughts would be on it. *

 

[Antoine]

How about a sub forum of the DUMPSTER?

 

[RaiderMS3]

How about a sub forum of the DUMPSTER?

I think that is a perfect place, so it is not even close to the legit racing section, and is still on the forum. It will at least convey the message that the forum does not recognize it as real racing, either (in my silly 31 year old mind). I am for that as a compromise.

 

[jred321]

sounds ok to me

 

[jersey_emt]

Yes...I think we have something here. Putting it in the DUMPSTER solves both sides of the argument. There is a place in the forum for street racing stories. And putting it in the DUMPSTER which is regularly cleaned out shows the public that the forums do not condone or endorse street racing.

My vote is to make the Street Battles & Kills subforum moved to be a subforum of the DUMPSTER, renamed to Street Racing Stories.

 

[MSP032879]

I say get rid of it. Street racing is too dangerous, not just to the guys racing but to everyone on the road and even people sitting in their homes where they ought to be safe. A while ago I read an article about a couple that died in their beds when a car crashed into there bed room, granted street racing was not a factor ice was. But the thing is that its possible that someone with a fast car and no experience can do the same thing and have the same results. These street racers get more then enough provocation from movies and video games like need for speed underground so if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

 

[jred321]

My vote is to make the Street Battles & Kills subforum moved to be a subforum of the DUMPSTER, renamed to Street Racing Stories.

i like "Tall Tales of Ricers" for a name better

 

[slug420]

Yes...I think we have something here. Putting it in the DUMPSTER solves both sides of the argument. There is a place in the forum for street racing stories. And putting it in the DUMPSTER which is regularly cleaned out shows the public that the forums do not condone or endorse street racing.

My vote is to make the Street Battles & Kills subforum moved to be a subforum of the DUMPSTER, renamed to Street Racing Stories.

make sure you keep it on the main forum list though so it still serves the purpose of keeping the street racing crap threads out of the real motorsports forum,

I would almost give it the same properties as the dumpster without but leave it separate, and just add to the end of the existing forum description "emptied regularly"

 

[RaiderMS3]

I agree 100%, but if we go by votes alone, it will jsut stay there. Putting it in the dumpster is cool with me. Perhaps with an updated sticky, saying they are stupid and putting people's lives at risk, and that it will be emptied (and do empty it) regularly, that would be cool.

I say get rid of it. Street racing is too dangerous, not just to the guys racing but to everyone on the road and even people sitting in their homes where they ought to be safe. A while ago I read an article about a couple that died in their beds when a car crashed into there bed room, granted street racing was not a factor ice was. But the thing is that its possible that someone with a fast car and no experience can do the same thing and have the same results. These street racers get more then enough provocation from movies and video games like need for speed underground so if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

 

[MSP032879]

I agree 100%, but if we go by votes alone, it will jsut stay there. Putting it in the dumpster is cool with me. Perhaps with an updated sticky, saying they are stupid and putting people's lives at risk, and that it will be emptied (and do empty it) regularly, that would be cool.

what erver works

 

[dmitrik4]

"tall tales of ricers"...i like that.

i'd rather see it gone completely, but i suppose being a part of the dumpster is better than having it where it is now.

there won't be a problem with those threads in the racing/motorsports forum if people don't put up w/ them. it's up to the regular users of that forum to keep it on topic.

It's better to have it in the open and have an honest conversation about it.

i agree with you, except that--let's be honest--that doesn't happen. whenever someone posts something negative about it in that forum, they get flamed and shouted down. so "honest conversation" isn't happening.

 

[ThrillRide]

Yes...I think we have something here. Putting it in the DUMPSTER solves both sides of the argument. There is a place in the forum for street racing stories. And putting it in the DUMPSTER which is regularly cleaned out shows the public that the forums do not condone or endorse street racing.

My vote is to make the Street Battles & Kills subforum moved to be a subforum of the DUMPSTER, renamed to Street Racing Stories.

It doesn't really fix both sides. At least not according to Dmitrik. His "logic" says that if it exists on the forum at all it is an acceptance of it. It should stay as is or go all together.

A) the forum is meant to legitimize street racing and people who don't agree should stay out, or

B) it's basically another version of the dumpster, and people should be free to criticize all they want (esp since they're just voicing the official policy of the board).

perosnally, i think the reality is A), and either it needs to go, or mazdaforums needs to be honest with itelf and others regarding its stance on street racing

I disagree with you because this is considered a community. Right? so if thats the case then there should be no problem with setting aside a section for people to talk about there experiences. And obviously bases on the vote counts the section should stay. Now if the forum admin wants to denounce street racing and completely remove it then thats fine. But in which case this in not a community forum. It is a dictatorship.

As for adding it as a sub to the dumpster is only going to, as you said, allow people to share their negativity about street racing. I don't think that is a fair compromise. Just as with any other forum topic I wouldn't want, nor would you want, people coming in to a section you are interested and bashing you for your views. If a person keeps coming in to each kill story and spouting their issues with it I think they should be banned.....kinda like ceej. It is very simple....if you don't like it stay out. I don't go into the audio forum and complain about how loud the base is when people drive by my house at 2am and rattle my windows. Get it?

 

[Velocifero]

I have been following this thread for a bit now and once caught up, it is a doosey.
I am not voting either way, why? because I know street racing is a bad idea, but I would be a hipocrite to say that I don't speed or even launch against a friend every now and then and those are both equally a form of street racing in my eyes. so I cant stand here and say that all those people are idiots without calling every person on this forum an idiot, myself included.
I dont go into the street racing section because I could care less about the show boating and it is a bragging section in the extreme along with all the e-ego flaring that goes along with it. With that said I don't want those threads ending up in the true racing sections. It can exist without me reading it and thats fine with me.
I know the argument is whether mazda forums should display the fact that they don't disown street racing, even though there is a disclaimer, if the section is there then we don't disown it. But there are other forums that don't tolerate it and there are forums that are based on it, we are neither of those right now. we cover all grounds, what ever people wish to talk about can be talked about in some way shape or form. Not saying it might look bad for the individual bringing up some really bad topics, but we have all seen it done.
I think the dumpster sub section is a logical solution, its still here and it is at least closer to disowning the whole idea of street racing. But if we want it to be effective it has to be easily accessible, the motorsports section would need to be watched and any threads posted by people that dont read too well need to be moved in an appropriate amount of time, and the originator of thread needs to be notified of where and why these actions have been done. If the problem persists from the same characters than action is taken, because you know the will be some asshat that will post in the wrong section just to ruffle feathers, unfortunately.

 

[Snacks McGee]

Yes...I think we have something here. Putting it in the DUMPSTER solves both sides of the argument. There is a place in the forum for street racing stories. And putting it in the DUMPSTER which is regularly cleaned out shows the public that the forums do not condone or endorse street racing.

My vote is to make the Street Battles & Kills subforum moved to be a subforum of the DUMPSTER, renamed to Street Racing Stories.

I vote YAY on this idea. That's really where those stories belong.

 

[jred321]

As for adding it as a sub to the dumpster is only going to, as you said, allow people to share their negativity about street racing. I don't think that is a fair compromise. Just as with any other forum topic I wouldn't want, nor would you want, people coming in to a section you are interested and bashing you for your views. If a person keeps coming in to each kill story and spouting their issues with it I think they should be banned.....kinda like ceej. It is very simple....if you don't like it stay out. I don't go into the audio forum and complain about how loud the base is when people drive by my house at 2am and rattle my windows. Get it?

i honestly doubt that is going to happen, and if it does it's the moderator of that section's job to keep it from happening. the people who don't care about or go to that section now still won't care about it and won't spend any time there regardless of where it is located. it'll be the same fantastic section it is now, just in a different place and get cleaned out every once in a while

 

[ThrillRide]

i honestly doubt that is going to happen, and if it does it's the moderator of that section's job to keep it from happening. the people who don't care about or go to that section now still won't care about it and won't spend any time there regardless of where it is located. it'll be the same fantastic section it is now, just in a different place and get cleaned out every once in a while

perhaps. but there have already been a couple on here say that they think it should be ok to come in and link news and stories about how someone died in a street race. and in general share their disgust with street racing.

 

[LI Redline Mp5]

just accept it majority doesnt want it removed. if u want to change where it is n if it should be emptied every month why not start a new poll? this poll was about it being removed not changed

 

[ThrillRide]

just accept it majority doesnt want it removed. if u want to change where it is n if it should be emptied every month why not start a new poll? this poll was about it being removed not changed

good point. and the numbers will probably be the same.

 

[dmitrik4]

perhaps. but there have already been a couple on here say that they think it should be ok to come in and link news and stories about how someone died in a street race. and in general share their disgust with street racing.

why is that NOT ok?

if i posted a thread about how i loved to key people's cars in the parking lot, would you defend me if others posted about how they think i should stop doing it? would you say, "no...don't tell him he's wrong. hey, that's what he likes to do, and don't be a hypocrite."

and not that this would be the first thread of its kind, but what if i started posting about how i get hammered at the bar on fridays and how every week, i set a new personal best time on my drive home?

would you stick up for my "right" to talk about that, and keep people from flaming me?

i REALLY doubt it. so i don't see what's different.

street racing = immature, illegal, and (most importantly) dangerous to others.
loud bass = annoying and immature

not even the same ballpark.



edit: consistency and honesty aside, there is another reason for mazdaforums to distance itself from street racing.

disclaimers notwithstanding, any competent plaintiff's lawyer representing someone injured/killed in a street race involving someone linked to this board is going to have a field day with that section. while the lack of money to be had will likely keep the owners safe, it wouldn't be too surprising if a grieving plaintiff sought to have the board (or at least that section) shut down. and THAT would be wonderful publicity for this community. just sayin'.

 

[Witchdoktor]

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