Why buy new when upgraded will do?

Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I talked to my local dealer and he said that mazda would possibly offer the parts upgrade from the mp3 to the mazdaspeed and still retain my factory warrenty. I don't know if he is full of it but it doesn't sound to far out there. Anything that can get me free repairs as long as possible.:D
 
JustinEssig said:
Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I talked to my local dealer and he said that mazda would possibly offer the parts upgrade from the mp3 to the mazdaspeed and still retain my factory warrenty. I don't know if he is full of it but it doesn't sound to far out there. Anything that can get me free repairs as long as possible.:D
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oh sure....and I am sure they will be more than happy to install it for you to, to make sure the warrantee is intact.....of course did they mention the cost of labor? something to the tune of $50/ hour or more? hmmmmm I bet they will be real proud of the kit to do the upgrade too!
 
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Sir Nuke said:

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oh sure....and I am sure they will be more than happy to install it for you to, to make sure the warrantee is intact.....of course did they mention the cost of labor? something to the tune of $50/ hour or more? hmmmmm I bet they will be real proud of the kit to do the upgrade too!

Not everyone is able of installing aftermarket parts themselves. I think if dealers are willing to do this, it can only be a good thing.

Jay
 
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neuromancer said:


Not everyone is able of installing aftermarket parts themselves. I think if dealers are willing to do this, it can only be a good thing.

Jay

I am sure this is true....I am not so sure I would even want to take on a turbo install....not alone anyway....I have never done one...its about the only thing I haven't done...and would like some guidence myself.

HOWEVER....I guess for those of us that have DEEP wallets....cause you and I both know, not only are dealers, as well as most shops, very proud of their labor, they are EQUALLY proud of the prices that they charge for parts. But then again...I can see where a little peace of mind is worth it to some. There is just no way I could EVER justify $4000 or so for 40 hp and the rights to say, "i got a turbo".
 
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Sir Nuke said:


I am sure this is true....I am not so sure I would even want to take on a turbo install....not alone anyway....I have never done one...its about the only thing I haven't done...and would like some guidence myself.

HOWEVER....I guess for those of us that have DEEP wallets....cause you and I both know, not only are dealers, as well as most shops, very proud of their labor, they are EQUALLY proud of the prices that they charge for parts. But then again...I can see where a little peace of mind is worth it to some. There is just no way I could EVER justify $4000 or so for 40 hp and the rights to say, "i got a turbo".

Well, if you get a boost controller you can make it a little more than 40hp. And if you were to opt for some engine managment you can get some more.
 
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APEXistud said:


Well, if you get a boost controller you can make it a little more than 40hp. And if you were to opt for some engine managment you can get some more.

True...but I was strickly speaking of ONLY adding the factory turbo like the mazdaspeed is going to have...as that is what JustinEssig is talking about doing.
 
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Sir Nuke said:

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oh sure....and I am sure they will be more than happy to install it for you to, to make sure the warrantee is intact.....of course did they mention the cost of labor? something to the tune of $50/ hour or more? hmmmmm I bet they will be real proud of the kit to do the upgrade too!

You touched on it, but didn't come right out and say it....if you want the warranty on the LSD or the turbo(if they offer the warranty at all that is), then it must be installed by Mazda....is that about right?
 
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BigBlue said:


You touched on it, but didn't come right out and say it....if you want the warranty on the LSD or the turbo(if they offer the warranty at all that is), then it must be installed by Mazda....is that about right?

I think that is probably what a dealer would tell you....if THEY install it its ALL covered...but if you just baught the parts...well I am sure if there was a material failure they would HAVE to cover it, just like anything else.....but if it damaged anything else in the process...oh well.

There is something to be said for a full warrantee.....it just seemed to me it would be a bit expensive of a mod for no more than you would be getting out of it, HP wise.
 
yes labor is a lot...actually i think sir nuke your estimate might have even been in the low end...one dealer i know of charges $78/hour for mechanical stuff and $50/hour for cosmetic...labor is way expensive...so install it yourself if you can...and if you can't you should even try talking to some people who can...

i've installed a couple of turbos myself they are generally easy to install but the hard part is tuning them...this is not to say that just anybody can go out and install a turbo but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to install it...tuning the turbo is probably 65% of the battle...one of my friends spent like 4 weeks tweeking the turbo til he finally got it running smoothly and how he wanted it...
 
JustinEssig said:
Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I talked to my local dealer and he said that mazda would possibly offer the parts upgrade from the mp3 to the mazdaspeed and still retain my factory warrenty. I don't know if he is full of it but it doesn't sound to far out there. Anything that can get me free repairs as long as possible.:D
 
For those of you arguing about the price of labor to have the mazdaspeed uogrades installed: even after paying for both parts and labor, you would still have spent less money than you would have if you bought the mazdaspeed and traded in your mp3. there is a thing called depreciation, and hate to say, but but our cars are not so good in that area, the money you will have to add on top of the price of the mazdaspeed because of negative equity will make up for more than the labor costs you guys are so quick to point out. The fact that Mazda has offered this to us, is great news.
 
TXMP3 said:
For those of you arguing about the price of labor to have the mazdaspeed uogrades installed: even after paying for both parts and labor, you would still have spent less money than you would have if you bought the mazdaspeed and traded in your mp3. there is a thing called depreciation, and hate to say, but but our cars are not so good in that area, the money you will have to add on top of the price of the mazdaspeed because of negative equity will make up for more than the labor costs you guys are so quick to point out. The fact that Mazda has offered this to us, is great news.

we AREN'T argueing about the cost of labor....in fact we aren't arguing at all.

just pointing out that it would cost a BUNDLE to buy the factory set up...even in a kit...we all know how expensive FACTORY parts are from a dealer...AND to have a dealer install it....BIG BUCKS...and for what? 40 HP....and a warrantee.....big deal....I could spend the same money....and have a lot hotter set up....

however.....the POINT that Justin, the originator of this thread, is that he heard that the kit was going to be available...and he could retain his warrantee by having a dealer install it... WE were just commenting on how WE don't think its worth it.
 
sundevilMP5 said:
yeah i was gonna say i don't remembering arguing with sir nuke...but oh well...sorry nuke for fake arguing with you...lol

yeah me too...sorry for FAKE arguing too...

*walks up to sundevil and shakes hands* :{D
 
This is copied and pasted directly off of the website for
Merriam -Webster's Dictionary

definition of "argue":

1 : to give reasons for or against something : REASON
2 : to contend or disagree in words : DISPUTE
transitive senses
1 : to give evidence of : INDICATE
2 : to consider the pros and cons of : DISCUSS
3 : to prove or try to prove by giving reasons : MAINTAIN
4 : to persuade by giving reasons : INDUCE
synonym see DISCUSS

When I used the word argue, I did not mean it in the sense #2 DISPUTING, as you took it. i meant it in the sense of #1 giving reasons for or against, REASONING, or #1 in the transitive sense to give evidence of or to INDICATE. you say that you were "just pointing out", well that is exactly what "to argue" is. Therefore, you were arguing, just not in the petty sense that you thought I meant. and BTW my post was not in any way directed at either of you. it was directed at any one who has an MP3 and was considering trading it in and buying a Mazdaspeed. Isn't the title of this thread "Why buy new when upgraded will do?" Those who would "argue" that you should buy new bacuase of the labor costs to install the upgrades are not considering the depreciation value of a trade in. THAT was my point. To be honest, I didnt even read your posts. So, sorry if I did not make it clear to you guys that my post was not in reference to your view on paying for dealer warrantied upgrades that yield less performance gains vs. paying for or installing for yourself non-dealer warrantied upgrades that offer greater performance gains. I guess i should be more clear next time. Sorry, I didn't know I was the one off the subject.
:D ;) :rolleyes:
 
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Hey Tex....we were just bustin your chops....it was all in fun....WE thought you would see that in our posts...how we were jokin with one another....guess WE also missed the mark....

HOWEVER>...I have to admit.....I typically DO think of arguing more in the sence of two on opposite sides and getting a bit LOUD.....where I more described what we were doing is discussing the finer points of labor costs... :{D

its all cool... :D

and BTW thanks for the "webesters" lesson!
 
any time. :D :D
i'm cool too. BTW, i wish i could mod my mp3 outside of what the dealer will offer, but with it being my primary transportation, and me having a wife and kids, i NEED that warranty. :rolleyes:
 
I don't argue I discuss. I don't have time to read websters dictionary. I have to use my car for everyday transportation also.
 
JustinEssig said:
I don't argue I discuss. I don't have time to read websters dictionary. I have to use my car for everyday transportation also.

well as far as websters goes....that is why I have spell check on my computer! lol

and as far as modding your car...you can mildly mod your car and not sacrifice any reliablility or your warrantee.
 
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