Who wants dibs on the XEDE PnP System?

[Captain KRM P5]

just to make sure i had all my ducks in a row, i called josh at CP-E and spoke with him for the last few minutes. since we are installing and tuning one of thier Beta standbacks, he wanted my assurance i would not trash the unit or allow the "XEDE entourage" to attack it. i told him and i will give my public word right here, right now - even if the system blows up in my face, and i know it won't, i will not say one lick of ill against thier system. not a word of bad.

as for PnP, he said it was still a continual work in progress with more prototyping and parts to arrive/to be done around an August timeframe/closer to the end of the year.

one remark i failed to comment on; the one that XEDE was first to market because it was inferior or rushed. XEDE was first to market because the system has been around for years before the car even hit the streets and they (vishnu/begi) were wiring it into speed3 before the car even hit the dealer lots. this goes back to having your facts straight before a comment like that is made, no offense.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I welcome all opinions, and all products for the ms3. All I was saying in my original comment is that the XEDE wasn't for me and I am waiting to see what other manufacturers can come up with. You said that you don't think that the throttle is an issue, but I thought AMS showed that its all over the place. I thought the XEDE was being updated to include this feature among others and when it is, it will be a more attractive option for me, especially if it is plug and play. Like I said, I have great respect for you and the products you make available to our community for great prices and I hope you don't take my comments as an attack on you. I think the XEDE will sell well once its plug and play, especially if its true what you say the cpe's standback is not going to be plug and play. Each system has its strong points, like you point out, but there is no way to tell what the advantages of each product are until they are released. I think its amazing that three companies are going to offer tuning options for the ms3, a limited production car. Its exciting time for the ms3 community, I just want to see how it all works out.

i agree with you, i think its awesome. we NEVER had this kind of support in the mazda community before. it was pretty much DIY engine management of the radio shack variety. ok, not that bad, but still it was nothing like this is now. you guys are very lucky. i just hope it doesn't become like the other car crowds now that mazda is becoming more mainstream.

i know you aren't attacking me, just like i am not attacking anyone else. part of the reason i gave josh a call to get more or new information. he gave me some pointers on tuning thier standback and his thoughts on the limitations of the car itself. that kind of information sharing helps everyone.

 

[dread]

I realize the xede was around and don't think its inferior because its out first, in fact you could argue that it would be more reliable because its worked on so many cars.
Mazda makes it as hard as they can to tune these cars. I am just glad there are people out there willing to take a risk on our relatively small community. I can't believe how much these forums have blown up since the ms3 was released. I never imagined such an impact from a limited production car that is not even advertised. Mazda hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

[palerider]

Im Jonesing for the Xede, and I had an idea.

If I hire a damn electrician to install this, is there anyway to make the box in and out in under 30 seconds.

Basically cut the wires but hook up the smallest connectors possible. Make it look professional, and make it easier to hide from my dealership. Basically do a DIY PnP.

The biggest issue for me has been cutting existing wires, and I havent heard enough discussion on what the actual long term ramifications for cutting it up are. Anyway....

I want to buy this thing tonight. lol. I got the bug.

 

[SAVAGE70]

Hey Palerider I like your idea. I am all so for the XEDE PnP. It has to me proven it will be worth the wait and money. If Im not mistaken it is the only engine management system for our cars that has actual numbers, hp and torque gains that we can see. And it has actually been installed in the MS3, unlike CPE and COBB.

 

[palerider]

Hey Dread I like your idea. I am all so for the XEDE PnP. It has to me proven it will be worth the wait and money. If Im not mistaken it is the only engine management system for our cars that has actual numbers, hp and torque gains that we can see. And it has actually been installed in the MS3, unlike CPE and COBB.

What was Dreads idea? Do you mean mine, about the electrician? hopefully?

Anyway. So far, I find it hard to believe, that for the mods currently available, that the Xede wont be more than enough. With some simple boltons and a Xede, we can achieve ~300hp.

And I have searched these boards and I have not found a SINGLE, not one, UNsatisfied customer. All the negative revolves around the wirecutting PnP issues, and the Cobb homers who want to knock this product because of the Subaru. Well we aint driving rexs, and I aint getting any younger either.

 

[DeepBlue]

I'll be interested in the XEDE PnP when it becomes available.

 

[ZoomRedZoomGT]

Put me on the list for one as soon as PNP comes along.

 

[meha11]

As soon as pnp is available i'll be buying one but not before.
It is the only other speed enhancing mod i'm interested in, my money is in a safe place waiting to be spent.

 

[Grodzman]

Cobb is user friendly in the manner that out of the box you can't do your own tuning, unless you drop a few more dollars ($200) into it.

So umm...how much does the Cobb AP cost after you drop $200 bucks on the StreetTUNER software?

Oh yeah...still $100 less than the XEDE. (braindead

 

[Captain KRM P5]

So umm...how much does the Cobb AP cost after you drop $200 bucks on the StreetTUNER software?

Oh yeah...still $100 less than the XEDE. (braindead

and we're working to make the base XEDE cheaper than Cobb as a wire in unit with tunability out of the box and as cheap with PnP. new developments are in the works on that. as was stated long ago, XEDE has just a few more features over Cobb box regardless of what trim you were to buy it in. i know you're an accessport fanboy, you've made that clear to me in every thread you can i've already broken down why the XEDE is feature for feature a more capable system. CP-E's for the record is also a more capable system. you have your own opinion and i am aware that you and i will always disagree on some things. the only thing that can be complained about now - which i too complain about with XEDE - is price. and thats hopefully going to be a non issue very very soon.

oh yeah and there is really no sign of Cobb's system (just like thier miata system, protege system, etc) which was promised what, next month? (drinks)

 

[voiceKoil]

oh yeah and there is really no sign of Cobb's system (just like thier miata system, protege system, etc) which was promised what, next month? (drinks)

lol, pnp will be a great thing! Im getting impatient

 

[voiceKoil]

Im Jonesing for the Xede, and I had an idea.

If I hire a damn electrician to install this, is there anyway to make the box in and out in under 30 seconds.

Basically cut the wires but hook up the smallest connectors possible. Make it look professional, and make it easier to hide from my dealership. Basically do a DIY PnP.

The biggest issue for me has been cutting existing wires, and I havent heard enough discussion on what the actual long term ramifications for cutting it up are. Anyway....

I want to buy this thing tonight. lol. I got the bug.

I was also thinking of doing something like this, a DIY PNP as you call it, I was figuring I could buy some pin connectors/ adapters, something to wire this into the plugs without actually cutting them. Im not cutting anything, I want to just make it connect somehow, I think it would be possible. (2thumbs)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I was also thinking of doing something like this, a DIY PNP as you call it, I was figuring I could buy some pin connectors/ adapters, something to wire this into the plugs without actually cutting them. Im not cutting anything, I want to just make it connect somehow, I think it would be possible. (2thumbs)

BEGi threw this idea around but it more or less still amounts to the customer cutting wires to put in some connectors. it can be more or less hidden from dealer view but its still not true PnP so i know most people won't go for it for that reason alone. if a dealer were to look for the homemade PnP harness and find it, there could be a warranty concern. if you knew someone who was good with wiring and creative, it could be done. we've been given a timetable of two months until PnP is retail release ready, and the price should drop - significantly we hope - before that time as well.

 

[Grodzman]

An AP fanboy I'm not...and the StreetTUNER software is pretty poopy as far as I'm concerned. The last STi I tried to tune with StreetTUNER has a dead spot in the power band because the increments aren't small enough to make a fine enough adjustment in timing.

I still can't seem to remember how a piggyback is better than a full ECU flash.

I'm a fan boy of EcuEDIT & EcuFlash. OpenECU all the way.

So first and foremost, the BEGi XEDE is the first to release a reliable solution for our market -- *cheers*

...what fun is it if I can't be the devil's advocate? I'm fighting for the cheapest most reliable solution for our application. I think I speak for everyone in the Mazda community when I say I would like all that and a bag of potato chips.

P.S. I would have to by a hypocrite to hate BEGi, Maximum Boost by Corky Bell is sitting on my night-stand as I write.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I still can't seem to remember how a piggyback is better than a full ECU flash.

well it depends on the particular piggyback being compared to the particular flash. goods and bads among both categories.

 

[Equinox]

Xede is a great unit, and the Transam WS6 I beat with it, will agree. I'm not sure upgrading to the PNP system will be needed for me, I mean, installed is installed.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

i was wondering when i was going to hear some feedback from you on it

 

[maestro]

and we're working to make the base XEDE cheaper than Cobb as a wire in unit with tunability out of the box and as cheap with PnP. new developments are in the works on that. as was stated long ago, XEDE has just a few more features over Cobb box regardless of what trim you were to buy it in. i know you're an accessport fanboy, you've made that clear to me in every thread you can i've already broken down why the XEDE is feature for feature a more capable system. CP-E's for the record is also a more capable system. you have your own opinion and i am aware that you and i will always disagree on some things. the only thing that can be complained about now - which i too complain about with XEDE - is price. and thats hopefully going to be a non issue very very soon.

So I'm just starting to check out the tuning guide from BEGIs' site, a little bit of a read. I thought I read somewhere that there are several maps for the MS3 but I only saw Miata on the BEGI site. Do I need my glasses?
I willl have a local shop (Corksport) tune the unit but it costs me less in tuning time if I can get a base map for current mods, 80mm TBE and MS CAI.

The Xede unit is still on my hotlist of parts for this summer and a lower price is that much nicer, thank you!

 

[Champloo]

Count me in for an XEDE PNP! A mod that increases HP and torque AND fuel efficiency?!? That's awesome! It's worth the wait for me to get all that and keep my warranty. And it's going to come out at a lower price? This just keeps getting better and better!