RPI-Speed3 said:
How exactly was dread slinging mud? He clearly stated the XEDE doesn't control throttle (which is true right? that would not constitute slinging mud correct?). He then says he will wait for Cobb or CP-E. Clearly at this point it is more likely that Cobb or CP-E will be able to control throttle than XEDE since the XEDE is already out and these products are still in development. Dread saying he will wait just means he (and myself and many others for that matter) want something that will control throttle. How is that slinging mud? I know you sell XEDE and the others are competitors, but lets not squash good informative conversation about all products in an effort to educate.
ok let me clarify then. when i said "slinging mud", i meant more in reference to the remarks Cashmere made that the XEDE offers drivability that is not as good, that it is not reliable, that it is not as capable and it is not user friendly. those remarks aren't even subjective, they're baseless at best. if the system wasn't user friendly, made the car drive like s*** and couldn't hold itself together i wouldn't sell it and wouldn't recommend anyone spending a grand on it. i was not so much referring to dread's remarks. i do disagree based on my own tuning experience with these engines that "throttle is all over the place" though.
CP-E posted on another forum now that the system is out that PnP is not going to happen and throttle plate can only be monitored at this point. If any of that's changed I haven't read it. I have nothing against Cobb and have dealt with thier stuff in the past on Subarus for a few of my buddies who own WRXs and STis. I deal with a few companies that sell parts to Cobb and have accounts with warehouses that sell Cobb. if the product proves itself then I'm setup to market it. my doubts with that particular system lie in the fact that they promised a miata system and it never materialized for one reason or another, and that the mazda ECU has been historically difficult (read: impossible) to crack. if anyone can crack it, it will be Cobb i know it. until its out and i know it works, i won't list it on my website and give anyone false hopes.
i'm not trying to squash competitive discussion, i'm trying to clear up the fallacies and supposition being tossed about. if defending a product i sell and know works well against criticisms that aren't true qualifies as "squashing" then so be it. i'll offer and stand behind any system i believe in regardless of who makes it.
now i'll try and be impartial in the respect of education;
yes, there will be certain advantages each system posesses. CP-E's will likely at some point control throttle. XEDE will be plug and play. Cobb's will flash the stock ECU. Let's not forget that if you want to be able to tune an Accessport on your own, the price jumps to a point close to XEDE. In my mind, ideally, the perfect system for this community would be a plug and play unit that controls throttle and still retains a low price tag. The CP-E system alters fuel pressure whereas the XEDE intercepts and alters MAF signals to control fuel. If you go strictly by feature set and function side by side, the XEDE shows itself to be a more capable unit than the Cobb. However, what that may mean to the end user is entirely something else.
There is no holy grail and I am not trying nor putting myself into a position to say there is one. What irks me is this - this thread was started to see who would be interested in getting a PnP XEDE. honestly that helps me because if there is no interest then i know not to waste my time or money. but what irks me is that you have people going out of thier way to jump in the thread with snide remarks. i don't go into threads about other forms of engine management and poo poo anyone else's work even if i feel have criticisms founded in fact or experience. besides, if i did do that, it would only invite people to call me biased
if you don't want the system, thats cool, i could care less. the XEDE will sell itself or fail based on its own merits. i can remind people all day long that the system put a stock turbo mazdaspeed6 with a crush bent homemade catback exhaust, stock throttle plate control and stock emissions gear into the 12s with over 300lb/ft of torque while retaining stock and smooth drivability and there will still be naysayers, i know thats reality on the 'net. i'm installing and tuning customer's CP-E system in a week or so on his mazdaspeed6 and am looking forward to it.