Who wants dibs on the XEDE PnP System?
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SharkDiver
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- Speed3
MeMeMeMeMe(direct)
speed3shon
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- 2007 Mazdaspeed3
3-4 months makes me sad 
i guess its ok, because i still dont pick up the car til next monday...
*EDIT* that means add me to the list, unless other options come out within that time frame...
i guess its ok, because i still dont pick up the car til next monday...
*EDIT* that means add me to the list, unless other options come out within that time frame...
speed3shon
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- 2007 Mazdaspeed3
uhhh, whats the timeline on the cobb ap?
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
CaSHMeRe said:
yeah a PnP XEDE is so difficult to install and tune and makes the car undrivable! (bicker)
if you drive a speed3 or speed6 with the XEDE on it and take a look at the software, you'll find that reliability is there, drivability is definetely there and user friendlieness is not a problem either. Cobb is user friendly in the manner that out of the box you can't do your own tuning, unless you drop a few more dollars ($200) into it.
dread said:
not to rain on your parade, but CP-E has not had success controlling the throttle, only monitoring it. Cobb has not said they can control the throttle plate either according to my last chat with them.
this thread was started to see who would be interested in a PnP XEDE. i don't mind people bringing up other systems, but making unqualified or incorrect statements without any expertise to back it up is just slinging mud.
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JimmyMac said:
hey good to hear from you
once they are in we/BEGi will have the harnesses available to upgrade for prior customers. and i will say this now since i have already been asked - we will not be selling the harnesses on thier own sans XEDE.RPI-Speed3
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Captain KRM P5 said:
How exactly was dread slinging mud? He clearly stated the XEDE doesn't control throttle (which is true right? that would not constitute slinging mud correct?). He then says he will wait for Cobb or CP-E. Clearly at this point it is more likely that Cobb or CP-E will be able to control throttle than XEDE since the XEDE is already out and these products are still in development. Dread saying he will wait just means he (and myself and many others for that matter) want something that will control throttle. How is that slinging mud? I know you sell XEDE and the others are competitors, but lets not squash good informative conversation about all products in an effort to educate.
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RPI-Speed3 said:
ok let me clarify then. when i said "slinging mud", i meant more in reference to the remarks Cashmere made that the XEDE offers drivability that is not as good, that it is not reliable, that it is not as capable and it is not user friendly. those remarks aren't even subjective, they're baseless at best. if the system wasn't user friendly, made the car drive like s*** and couldn't hold itself together i wouldn't sell it and wouldn't recommend anyone spending a grand on it. i was not so much referring to dread's remarks. i do disagree based on my own tuning experience with these engines that "throttle is all over the place" though.
CP-E posted on another forum now that the system is out that PnP is not going to happen and throttle plate can only be monitored at this point. If any of that's changed I haven't read it. I have nothing against Cobb and have dealt with thier stuff in the past on Subarus for a few of my buddies who own WRXs and STis. I deal with a few companies that sell parts to Cobb and have accounts with warehouses that sell Cobb. if the product proves itself then I'm setup to market it. my doubts with that particular system lie in the fact that they promised a miata system and it never materialized for one reason or another, and that the mazda ECU has been historically difficult (read: impossible) to crack. if anyone can crack it, it will be Cobb i know it. until its out and i know it works, i won't list it on my website and give anyone false hopes.
i'm not trying to squash competitive discussion, i'm trying to clear up the fallacies and supposition being tossed about. if defending a product i sell and know works well against criticisms that aren't true qualifies as "squashing" then so be it. i'll offer and stand behind any system i believe in regardless of who makes it.
now i'll try and be impartial in the respect of education;
yes, there will be certain advantages each system posesses. CP-E's will likely at some point control throttle. XEDE will be plug and play. Cobb's will flash the stock ECU. Let's not forget that if you want to be able to tune an Accessport on your own, the price jumps to a point close to XEDE. In my mind, ideally, the perfect system for this community would be a plug and play unit that controls throttle and still retains a low price tag. The CP-E system alters fuel pressure whereas the XEDE intercepts and alters MAF signals to control fuel. If you go strictly by feature set and function side by side, the XEDE shows itself to be a more capable unit than the Cobb. However, what that may mean to the end user is entirely something else.
There is no holy grail and I am not trying nor putting myself into a position to say there is one. What irks me is this - this thread was started to see who would be interested in getting a PnP XEDE. honestly that helps me because if there is no interest then i know not to waste my time or money. but what irks me is that you have people going out of thier way to jump in the thread with snide remarks. i don't go into threads about other forms of engine management and poo poo anyone else's work even if i feel have criticisms founded in fact or experience. besides, if i did do that, it would only invite people to call me biased
if you don't want the system, thats cool, i could care less. the XEDE will sell itself or fail based on its own merits. i can remind people all day long that the system put a stock turbo mazdaspeed6 with a crush bent homemade catback exhaust, stock throttle plate control and stock emissions gear into the 12s with over 300lb/ft of torque while retaining stock and smooth drivability and there will still be naysayers, i know thats reality on the 'net. i'm installing and tuning customer's CP-E system in a week or so on his mazdaspeed6 and am looking forward to it.
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Im in on Xede, assuming PnP is finished while Im still young. Ive been so close to ordering this thing without the harnesses, but at this point I'll just wait.
BTW, I think the ability to keep the ECU upgrade stealth, is absolutely the most important factor for a car still under warranty. As the warranty becomes less of a factor in the years to come, then maybe other more powerful ECU options become more in play.... along with turbo upgrades and all the other stuff that the dealers for now would not allow.
I will say this. If you put Cobbs ECU in, assuming its ever actually released.... along with all the other crap they are gonna sell for their "stages", and then try to drive that sucker into a dealership for warranty work, you will be SCREWED. Mark it.
Compare that to MS CAI, CBE, and a Xede interceptor PNP.... and the dealer knows NOTHING. And with that you're looking at over 300.... safe, driveable, hp... to the freaking wheels, in a car you can drive straight into the dealership for the first 30-40K miles UNDER WARRANTY...... AS IS.
BTW, I think the ability to keep the ECU upgrade stealth, is absolutely the most important factor for a car still under warranty. As the warranty becomes less of a factor in the years to come, then maybe other more powerful ECU options become more in play.... along with turbo upgrades and all the other stuff that the dealers for now would not allow.
I will say this. If you put Cobbs ECU in, assuming its ever actually released.... along with all the other crap they are gonna sell for their "stages", and then try to drive that sucker into a dealership for warranty work, you will be SCREWED. Mark it.
Compare that to MS CAI, CBE, and a Xede interceptor PNP.... and the dealer knows NOTHING. And with that you're looking at over 300.... safe, driveable, hp... to the freaking wheels, in a car you can drive straight into the dealership for the first 30-40K miles UNDER WARRANTY...... AS IS.
Captain, this is a public forum and people are stating their opinions whether you agree with them or not. I have a lot of respect for what you do for this community, but I don't agree with how you are pushing the XEDE. The bottom line is the XEDE was out first because the hardware is generic and limited in what it can do. That is why the unit is being updated in the near future. Furthermore, you make it sound like CPE won't control the throttle and won't be plug and play. The reason why we don't have the standback yet is because CPE is putting a lot of effort into developing a product specifically for the MS3. As for cobb they have already cracked the ECU, which was reported on their forum and they are beginning to tune the MS3. I will not buy an XEDE when it becomes plug and play because I don't like the way its being marketed. The defensive comments and putting down of other products is an indication to me that the XEDE is inferior and vendors are trying to push it as fast as possible before something better comes out. Just because the thread title says XEDE doesn't mean that we can't mention another product.
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CP-E posted themselves elsewhere that they are likely not doing plug and play, i'm not making that up. i have no reason to do something like that. i'm not putting down other products in any way. i can post side by side comparisons of each hardware's ability in an impartial fashion, i've already done that in another thread. i've never insulted another system, but i've heard plenty of insults - most of them baseless, some in this thread - about this one. so if i don't stand up for the product i sell, and stand up for it on its own merits, then i am doing myself a disservice and allowing misperceptions to continue. if i do stand up for the system based on its own merits then i am accused of bias. damned if you do and damned if you don't.dread said:
like i said, i don't care if someone likes the system or not. however when someone starts a GI thread or GB thread and the fanboys/haters jump in to go out of thier way to piss in the cereal, thats tactless. if there were XEDE mouthpieces going into CP-E or Cobb threads - and mind you there are not - you would cry foul and get defensive about the system you support. i would expect you to if someone did that.
and yes, there are actually rules about going off topic or promoting another product in a specific thread, like it or not. i LIKE competition, i WANT competition, and i WANT constructive discussion. i've been doing that this entire thread. if you don't think i have, then i'm sorry. as for stating opinions, i agree. but stating an opinion is different from, honestly, making s*** up when one has limited or zero experience with any of the product at hand. you have stated your opinion, and i have stated mine. you make it seem like its ok for you state a negative opinion, but its not okay that i state a conflicting opinion or bring up fact? seems a little one sided to me, but perhaps i am reading things out of context.
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I welcome all opinions, and all products for the ms3. All I was saying in my original comment is that the XEDE wasn't for me and I am waiting to see what other manufacturers can come up with. You said that you don't think that the throttle is an issue, but I thought AMS showed that its all over the place. I thought the XEDE was being updated to include this feature among others and when it is, it will be a more attractive option for me, especially if it is plug and play. Like I said, I have great respect for you and the products you make available to our community for great prices and I hope you don't take my comments as an attack on you. I think the XEDE will sell well once its plug and play, especially if its true what you say the cpe's standback is not going to be plug and play. Each system has its strong points, like you point out, but there is no way to tell what the advantages of each product are until they are released. I think its amazing that three companies are going to offer tuning options for the ms3, a limited production car. Its exciting time for the ms3 community, I just want to see how it all works out.
