who likes GUNS!?!?!??

[kc5zom]

Maybe I will take some pics of the Mini14 I have. Stainless steel with a 30 shot and 40 shot clip. I keep it loaded with hollowpoints unless I'm shooting targets (don't want the high velocity .223 rounds going too far if I need to use it). I bought it from a coworker who didn't use it anymore. I also used to have a .410 derringer, but I sold that a long time ago. Two shotguns and a .22 round off what I have now, I also own a 7mm rifle, but I'm not sure who manufactured it and it has been sitting at my grandmother's house since I inherited it. I've never even shot the damn thing.

But frankly, I guess I'm a little different from you guys. I think it is total bulls*** that anyone, including myself, be able to legally purchase that much firepower so easily. Especially since it has no legitimate use other than preparing to kill people (target practice), and killing people. I feel sorry for the police having to worry about running into someone better equipped than they are all the time. And I would gladly turn the Mini over, assuming I received something of equal value in return, if the government decided I shouldn't have one.

 

[Stealth5]

anyone know what that rifle is no one can even handle?

 

[therizzzo]

My stable:

SKS w/30rd banana and 10rd box - for sale BTW
Ruger 1022 .22 rifle
Ruger Mark II .22 pistol
Remington 870 12 gauge
Colt Anaconda .357 Mag w/6in barrel - this thing is AWESOME
J. Stevens double barrel 12 gauge - it's an antique, looks like what Jed Clampett was packing

The 357 is kept handy but out of sight in the casa loaded with Black Talons (my gun freak uncle loaded 20rds of these special for me, and they cause MASSIVE damage). Here's a pic of some http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=12446818

....pretty evil lookin, huh?

I'm not paranoid or anything and have no enemies. You just never know when your gonna need a gun. You gotta protect yourself, because the law is not there when you need em. One of these years, I'm gonna get my concealed license.

 

[loj68]

And I would gladly turn the Mini over, assuming I received something of equal value in return, if the government decided I shouldn't have one.

Yeah, I don't want "the government" to decide a mother ******' thing for me. Cops don't have to worry about gun owners at all see......they have to worry about criminals. If the government decided to take back guns, only law abiding citizens (who don't commit crimes) would abide by the law.....criminals would still be all set to go with their guns......leaving us law abiding citizens utterly defenseless. Just ask people in Australia and the UK who have had up to 30% rises in violent crime since they disarmed their law abiding citizens.

 

[shinzen]

Man, I don't even agree with gun registration- that is the way that nazi germany started out- very mild, oh, and now that we know what you have, let's go take it all away- b.s.... The reason we have a right to keep and bear arms is for defense of our country and ideals- BTW I am pretty mild compared to some of you- just a SKS w/3 30 rounders and a colt combat commander..

 

[kc5zom]

Yeah, I don't want "the government" to decide a mother ******' thing for me. Cops don't have to worry about gun owners at all see......they have to worry about criminals. If the government decided to take back guns, only law abiding citizens (who don't commit crimes) would abide by the law.....criminals would still be all set to go with their guns......leaving us law abiding citizens utterly defenseless. Just ask people in Australia and the UK who have had up to 30% rises in violent crime since they disarmed their law abiding citizens.

Have you ever read the BCS? That is the "British Crime Survey". If you had you would notice that in Britian violent crime fell by 19% from 1999-2000 and crime in general has been in general decline after a rising trend which ended right about the same time as they outlawed personal ownership of handguns. Pretty much same thing goes for Australia. The NRA bases their trends on actual reported incidents to the police, which recording methods have been significantly altered over the last few years, and a significantly higher number of crimes are being recorded than were in the past (oh yeah, firearms involved air weapons as well, and replicas when used to commit crimes are considered a major part of those statistics).

Not to mention numerous surveys indicating that as per capita firearms ownership increases that violent crime increases.

Other fun studies (Kellerson in both the New England Journal of Medicine, and another peer reviewed periodical):

For every time someone is shot in the United States in a legally justified manner, there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide related incidents.

The likelihood of a homicide in the home is 3 times higher if you own a firearm.

Suicide risk is increased 5 times.

 

[Togan]

I love my weapons. I've got 5 handguns and 2 rifles.

u mean real or BB gun?

this is my fav http://www.project-x.org.uk/images/mini02.jpg

 

[mazdadan]

u mean real or BB gun?

this is my fav http://www.project-x.org.uk/images/mini02.jpg

Real...

Handguns...
SIG P225 9mm
Kahr MK9 Stainless 9mm
CZ 50 - .32auto
CZ 40 - .40S&W
CZ 97B - .45ACP

Rifles...
Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine with bayonet - 7.62x54R
Mosin Nagant 1891/30 - 7.62x54R

 

[pr5owner]

holy s***.. was the 3rd clip that he threw on loaded with slugs?

 

[shinzen]

kc5, I won't disagree with your stats at all, especially considering that the UK is one of the most heavily surveiled populace in the world, that may make a bit of a difference as well. My big point is that by sacrificing a freedom here and there, it will lead to complete disregard of the bill of rights and the constitution. I am a big advocate that if people don't want to have guns that is their right. It is also my right to own one, and I am aware of the risks- proper safety as with anything is the key. Did you know that someone with a car is 100% more likely to have a fatal car wreck than one without?

 

[brokemp3]

we used to call the black talons cop killers. they go right through kevlar. we used to have a couple of cases when they first came out we used to cut down trees with them

 

[hawaiiannights]

Who like guns you ask? Americans do!...............Watch Bowling for Columbine...a fantastic documentary

That was a great movie! I bought the DVD, even though I myself am a gun owner and love guns myself. The laws over here in Hawaii are too strict though! Just like everything else here.

 

[hawaiiannights]

Well, I'm against keeping a gun around the house, but I think I do see the allure of having this much firepower in your hands

http://www.geekswithguns.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=9

and these guys are just silly

http://www.geekswithguns.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=13
http://www.geekswithguns.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=14
http://www.geekswithguns.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=18

if you military guys have any vids of you operating a piece of firearm post it here!

Thats some cool s***! That first gun is definately not legal...I want one!! Hahah..... What is the other gun that everyone is shooting and falling on their asses?

 

[kc5zom]

Did you know that someone with a car is 100% more likely to have a fatal car wreck than one without?

You should have probably thought that through before you typed it out.

And the 2nd amendments purpose was explicitly to establish "a well regulated militia". The need for a militia has not existed since the early 1800's with the prominence of the United States military. I'm fine with people owning rifles and shotguns for hunting (something I enjoy myself sometimes), but there is no practical need for semi-automatic rifles and for that matter handguns (except for the military and purposes of law enforcement). But the NRA will continue to fight any attempt at reasonable gun control measures in this country, with belligerence and misinformation. I used to get a pamphlet in the mail every other month or so saying that the government is going to take away every gun I own, and the NRA was the only thing preventing it. Think about it, I have to get a license to drive a car and prove at least some measure of skill in using it, I have to register that car, but I can purchase a weapon capable of killing a person (and many with no practical purposes otherwise, unless you are one of those sick bastards that uses semi-autos for varmint hunting) without even telling the government I have it.

 

[shinzen]

I think we are going to disagree on this point forever- I'll start with handguns on two fronts. The first is hunting- have you ever seen someone hit an elk, enough to drop it, but it is still suffering- perfect use for a handgun to end it's misery. Second- pardon me if I don't want to defend my house from a burglar or someone threatening my family with a single shot hunting rifle, or perhaps I should just wait for the police to get out here in the rural parts I live in, after all, it usually only takes them about 30 minutes to respond- give me a break. Now, let's take a hypothetical situation, the government starts to overtax it's populace without representation, oppresses free speach, and constantly performs searches and seizures without due cause- sound very familiar? It should, our country was created by rebellion against an oppressive government, and what should we have fought back with? Bows and arrows? That would be the equivilent of what you are suggesting- I love my country, I love our rights (and driving is no where listed as a right of any kind- so licensing and registration is just fine- By the way, have you ever just gone out to the target range with a semi-auto? It's a lot of fun which is just another reason to have them.

 

[kc5zom]

You saw what happened to the Iraqi military didn't you? Do you honestly think you have a prayer against the United States military in an open rebellion? Anyway, good luck to you, hope you don't have kids with a handgun in the house.

 

[therizzzo]

You saw what happened to the Iraqi military didn't you? Do you honestly think you have a prayer against the United States military in an open rebellion? Anyway, good luck to you, hope you don't have kids with a handgun in the house.

I think his point is, that armed oppression of the populace by "the man" would not happen against an armed population, the risks are far too great. Even just disarming the people peacefully would be a VERY risky undertaking. Once you choose to edit the Bill of Rights and take out the 2nd, what's next? Probably the 1st, then 4th, 6th, and 5th. (I think everyone should read the BOR again...http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html)

Another point, the US military would never fight law-adiding citizens on our soil. I know that the large body of US military personnel are benevolent and moral, and would refuse such actions.


"...from my cold dead hands"(getsome)

 

[AndrewF150]

hey rizzo...

Hey rizzo i am gonna pm ya too but what you wanting for the sks?

Also about the original topic of this post. I love guns, I do hunt, and I also shoot for sport. I must say that my favorite gun is the Browning .338 Remington Ultra Mag. Such a nice gun, sad thing is Browning stopped making it, people just weren't buying them cause of the size.

 

[loj68]

Have you ever read the BCS? That is the "British Crime Survey". If you had you would notice that in Britian violent crime fell by 19% from 1999-2000 and crime in general has been in general decline after a rising trend which ended right about the same time as they outlawed personal ownership of handguns. Pretty much same thing goes for Australia. The NRA bases their trends on actual reported incidents to the police, which recording methods have been significantly altered over the last few years, and a significantly higher number of crimes are being recorded than were in the past (oh yeah, firearms involved air weapons as well, and replicas when used to commit crimes are considered a major part of those statistics).

Not to mention numerous surveys indicating that as per capita firearms ownership increases that violent crime increases.

Other fun studies (Kellerson in both the New England Journal of Medicine, and another peer reviewed periodical):

For every time someone is shot in the United States in a legally justified manner, there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide related incidents.

The likelihood of a homicide in the home is 3 times higher if you own a firearm.

Suicide risk is increased 5 times.

I'll be glad to dispute that......BBC article linked below shows rise in gun crime and violent crime.......similar info can be found for Australia following the disarming of their citizens. And great examples of how disarming the public doesn't work can be found right here in the U.S.........Washington D.C......yep, consistently tops in gun murders in the U.S. and guns are illegal there.

Like I said........what needs to happen is concentration on stopping criminals......legal gun owners are not a problem. They are our protectors. Wanna know how many planes would have crashed on 9/11 if law abiding citizens would have been allowed to pack? My bet is "0".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2069400.stm

edited: forgot the link

 

[ZoomZoomH]

err, less dissertation on gun ownership, and more pics of guns or videos of guns in action (not shooting at people that is)!!!!!!