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What cars can the MS3 run with?
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Karma_hunden
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Knowledge, I dont think you can hit 12s with your mods quite honestly. Its harder than you think. I say you are probably going to hit 13.6-13.9...13.5 at most. IF you wanna flatshift...probably 13.4.
Now, Im just guessing. Lets see what you got! you're one of the few MS3 with full bolt ons and you HAVENT even gone to the track yet. Shame on you dude!
Becareful with SRT4s, they are so old most of them are at stage 2 by now.
Now, Im just guessing. Lets see what you got! you're one of the few MS3 with full bolt ons and you HAVENT even gone to the track yet. Shame on you dude!
Becareful with SRT4s, they are so old most of them are at stage 2 by now.
knowledge007
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I know, I need to get to the track. Goerge, my friend that I showed up with at the meet, will be getting his turbo back on saturday. And hopefully we will have time to hit up "Fynetune" for some dyno runs. So hopefully both of us will have some numbers come Monday.
Hit up an srt4 yesterday. He was pulling out of w/e that rim shop is on bird and 90 or something like that by frankies pizza. Coming up on me fast, hit third hugged him and pulled away. Hit the 87av light and he asked wtf I had done to the car that I was the first to just walk away from him like that....lmao...i love this car..
Hit up an srt4 yesterday. He was pulling out of w/e that rim shop is on bird and 90 or something like that by frankies pizza. Coming up on me fast, hit third hugged him and pulled away. Hit the 87av light and he asked wtf I had done to the car that I was the first to just walk away from him like that....lmao...i love this car..
What does it take to hit 12s? Thats my main goal with this ride. Just gimme a nice consistent 12. Thats supercar material and worthy of the MS3. I haven't been to the track either. Once I get these last few mods (this weekend) I will dyno and hopefully get to a track.
I've raced several GTOs.... and lost but showed good spirit... they were modded...
Add bmw 540s to the list, older dude probably with a chip though as we got to low 100s pretty quick and it was his idea to race...so he had to have something.
All of the srt-4's around here are going slow and not taking the time... Once my mods are in I will press the issue with some of them.
I've raced several GTOs.... and lost but showed good spirit... they were modded...
Add bmw 540s to the list, older dude probably with a chip though as we got to low 100s pretty quick and it was his idea to race...so he had to have something.
All of the srt-4's around here are going slow and not taking the time... Once my mods are in I will press the issue with some of them.
knowledge007
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I figure once I get the ets tmic, strut bar, that should pretty much get me there within 12's... I hope. After that before I get the tuning solution, I need upgrade brakes and pads...
jtom said:The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.
The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.
Sorry guy but you can compare the two. What it boils down to is a difference in opinion and what the buyer is looking for. The interior on the VW is only better if you opt for the leather seats. VW's leather is a better quality leather and that's it. If you opt for standard cloth interior the MS3 seats are equal to the VW. In reference to the exterior, the MS3 and Gti are equal in quality and fitment but the MS3 walks on the Gti for appearance. They are very comparable cars minus the performance. That's like saying "well you cannot compare the Gti with the MS3 because everyone knows VW's have a but load of electrical problems, so VW's are junk." Come on, they are both nice cars and it's all about what your looking for. I can tell you, I have owned a handfull of VW's in my days and this is my first Mazda and I'm very impressed with the entire car not just from a performance mindset either.
Your "logic" is astounding. I think you need to take a step back and put your bias aside. Without question, the MS3 is by far the best overall choice in this price category. So you can rest assured that you made a great purchase. But to say that the quality of interior between the VW and MS3 is purely subjective and a matter of oppinion is false.
Whether the styling of a car agrees with someone is subjective. Afterall, my 2nd car is an Element. I personally like the boxy, utilitarian look. By-in-large, most people find it ugly. This is, of course, subjective.
Whether something is of high quality of, more specifically, higher quality is NOT subjective however. I think it's fair to say you haven't actually sat in a new GTI. (at least, I hope for your sake you haven't.) If you had... and STILL think the MS3's interior is on par, well... you need your eyes (or bias) checked. There are certain tangible things you can actually scientifically measure in order to determine the "quality" of an interior. Again, whether it agrees with you from a looks standpoint is completely irrelevant when we're talking about quality.
So, assuming you haven't actually sat in a new GTI, I'd either not through your .02 into the conversation or... waltz over to your local dealership and sit in one. Once in, you'll (hopefully) notice the absence of "hard plastic" that seems to adourn most cars (including your beloved MS3) these days. Instead, you'll find a nice soft-touch material that is commonly found in cars priced twice that of the GTI. Next you'll (hopefully) notice the fit & finish. While the MS3's F&F is great.... right up there with the next tier, it's just not on the same level. Everything is extremely tight... something that pays off when you're driving. I've test-driven 2 MS3s and each of them had their share of minor rattles. Nothing that would have held me back or anything but definitely proved to remind me that I wasn't in a lexus. or... in this case.. a GTI. Nothing like that transpired. in fact, for me, the GTi was almost too quiet... too perfect.
So that's the quality of the interior.... If you think I'm full of $hit, look up any of the reviews and you'll find they echoe the same sentiment. this is just one of the many factors in deciding which car one should buy. While the GTI clearly has an edge in this dept... the MS3 has an equal edge in the performance category.
Lastly... and again, this is completely subjective but I must take umbridge with what you said about the MS3 "walking" on the GTI in the looks dept. Sorry dude... no way in hell! lol A white GTI with those 18" wheels looks hot as hell.... Even in Red, the MS3 just doesn't "do it" for me (which is why I passed on the car) Maybe it's the wheels... easily the fugliest wheels I've seen since the MS6 or maybe it's the station wagon body... All I know is, give the GTI an extra 60hp (which isn't too hard really) and you've got yourself a car that not only looks better (imo) and clearly has the better interior but is also just as quick.... then again, it would end up costing about 10k more than the MS3 so screw that!
Oh and... yeah, those plaid seats on the VW are just plain hideous. The equivalent of the MS3 wheels really... I realize they're paying tribute to the originals but.... come on man, somet things just need to die. One of the biggest complaints (or reasons people aren't buying the car) is the fact that it's so damn expensive. Since everyone (that I know at least) feels the same about those seats, they were sort of force dinto the leather option... which jacks the price up a couple grand. If VW was smart, they'd put in some nice cloth seats that appeal to the mainstream....
Whether the styling of a car agrees with someone is subjective. Afterall, my 2nd car is an Element. I personally like the boxy, utilitarian look. By-in-large, most people find it ugly. This is, of course, subjective.
Whether something is of high quality of, more specifically, higher quality is NOT subjective however. I think it's fair to say you haven't actually sat in a new GTI. (at least, I hope for your sake you haven't.) If you had... and STILL think the MS3's interior is on par, well... you need your eyes (or bias) checked. There are certain tangible things you can actually scientifically measure in order to determine the "quality" of an interior. Again, whether it agrees with you from a looks standpoint is completely irrelevant when we're talking about quality.
So, assuming you haven't actually sat in a new GTI, I'd either not through your .02 into the conversation or... waltz over to your local dealership and sit in one. Once in, you'll (hopefully) notice the absence of "hard plastic" that seems to adourn most cars (including your beloved MS3) these days. Instead, you'll find a nice soft-touch material that is commonly found in cars priced twice that of the GTI. Next you'll (hopefully) notice the fit & finish. While the MS3's F&F is great.... right up there with the next tier, it's just not on the same level. Everything is extremely tight... something that pays off when you're driving. I've test-driven 2 MS3s and each of them had their share of minor rattles. Nothing that would have held me back or anything but definitely proved to remind me that I wasn't in a lexus. or... in this case.. a GTI. Nothing like that transpired. in fact, for me, the GTi was almost too quiet... too perfect.
So that's the quality of the interior.... If you think I'm full of $hit, look up any of the reviews and you'll find they echoe the same sentiment. this is just one of the many factors in deciding which car one should buy. While the GTI clearly has an edge in this dept... the MS3 has an equal edge in the performance category.
Lastly... and again, this is completely subjective but I must take umbridge with what you said about the MS3 "walking" on the GTI in the looks dept. Sorry dude... no way in hell! lol A white GTI with those 18" wheels looks hot as hell.... Even in Red, the MS3 just doesn't "do it" for me (which is why I passed on the car) Maybe it's the wheels... easily the fugliest wheels I've seen since the MS6 or maybe it's the station wagon body... All I know is, give the GTI an extra 60hp (which isn't too hard really) and you've got yourself a car that not only looks better (imo) and clearly has the better interior but is also just as quick.... then again, it would end up costing about 10k more than the MS3 so screw that!
Oh and... yeah, those plaid seats on the VW are just plain hideous. The equivalent of the MS3 wheels really... I realize they're paying tribute to the originals but.... come on man, somet things just need to die. One of the biggest complaints (or reasons people aren't buying the car) is the fact that it's so damn expensive. Since everyone (that I know at least) feels the same about those seats, they were sort of force dinto the leather option... which jacks the price up a couple grand. If VW was smart, they'd put in some nice cloth seats that appeal to the mainstream....
Karma_hunden
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Knowledge007, I was refering to stock Speeds lol. You should do just fine with the srt-4s as you showed.
Clos561, what happened to your car?
Clos561, what happened to your car?
something is wrong with my second gear....it will drive fine and then sometimes when i shift into second and engage clutch and give it gas the gear pops out....its really geee and im driving a nissan sentra 2.0 for now.....29city/36hwy thumbs up for the current gas savings but its bad knowing my car is ******...and i just ordered the MS cai...i have no idea what it could be..my dad thinks something with the arm that guides the gear in....its not my clutch cuz all the other gears go in and stay fine...its jsut second...maybe some teeth broke off the gear? duno...(boom05)
CHICO2003 said:Your "logic" is astounding. I think you need to take a step back and put your bias aside. Without question, the MS3 is by far the best overall choice in this price category. So you can rest assured that you made a great purchase. But to say that the quality of interior between the VW and MS3 is purely subjective and a matter of oppinion is false.
Set my bias aside? Can you show me or tell me where I said the Gti was a bad car? NO! As far as the interior, like I originally said, IT"S A MATTER OF OPINION. Did I not say that? Ummm, yes I did. Also, did I say the Gti had better quality seats in leather trim? Ummm, why yes I did. It is a matter of opinion, well wait no I take that back because Chico2003 said so and he's the GOD of know all. Who are you to say, yup VW is the best. It's your opionion just likes it's my opinion, PERIOD!
Whether the styling of a car agrees with someone is subjective. Afterall, my 2nd car is an Element. I personally like the boxy, utilitarian look. By-in-large, most people find it ugly. This is, of course, subjective.
Guess what guy, that's right! It's in your opionion that the Element is cool. Some say yes, some say no, but if I were to say it was junk, you would attempt to further educate me I'm sure.
Whether something is of high quality of, more specifically, higher quality is NOT subjective however. I think it's fair to say you haven't actually sat in a new GTI. (at least, I hope for your sake you haven't.) If you had... and STILL think the MS3's interior is on par, well... you need your eyes (or bias) checked. There are certain tangible things you can actually scientifically measure in order to determine the "quality" of an interior. Again, whether it agrees with you from a looks standpoint is completely irrelevant when we're talking about quality.
Actually, I test drove the 07 Gti. So let me guess my sensory motor skills lied to me when they said, it's ok. Well again that's my opinion. What you look for in a seat and the next guy looks for in a seat, can be different. That is what we call personal opinion. Did I say the new Gti seats were uncomfortable? NO! Again, did I not say the leather quality was better? Yes! Just thought I would mention that again since maybe you didn't get it the first time. So really who is bias? YOU! I actually was standing up for the Gti saying they are both nice cars and oh boy,once again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION!
So, assuming you haven't actually sat in a new GTI, I'd either not through your .02 into the conversation or... waltz over to your local dealership and sit in one. Once in, you'll (hopefully) notice the absence of "hard plastic" that seems to adourn most cars (including your beloved MS3) these days. Instead, you'll find a nice soft-touch material that is commonly found in cars priced twice that of the GTI. Next you'll (hopefully) notice the fit & finish. While the MS3's F&F is great.... right up there with the next tier, it's just not on the same level. Everything is extremely tight... something that pays off when you're driving. I've test-driven 2 MS3s and each of them had their share of minor rattles. Nothing that would have held me back or anything but definitely proved to remind me that I wasn't in a lexus. or... in this case.. a GTI. Nothing like that transpired. in fact, for me, the GTi was almost too quiet... too perfect.
Well horray for you that you test drove two MS3's. I have a MS3 GT with ZERO yes ZERO rattles. Most are finding the rattles are the loose wires from not having navigation. I have navigation and in no way is that an excuse because all MS3's should be equal. That is off topic, but again your opinion is you like the interior better than the MS3. Sure if I opted for the Gti with leather and equally equipped it with my current MS3 GT, I wouldn't have paid what I paid for my MS3 thats for sure. In case you did not read that, someone else already mentioned that for you as well. Oh boy not again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION.
So that's the quality of the interior.... If you think I'm full of $hit, look up any of the reviews and you'll find they echoe the same sentiment. this is just one of the many factors in deciding which car one should buy. While the GTI clearly has an edge in this dept... the MS3 has an equal edge in the performance category.
Did I say the quality of the VW interior was better or worse than the MS3? I SAID THE VW WAS BETTER! Maybe you should go back and read my nice and polite post before you attempt to bash someone. You seem to be the type of person who reads only what he wants to read.
Lastly... and again, this is completely subjective but I must take umbridge with what you said about the MS3 "walking" on the GTI in the looks dept. Sorry dude... no way in hell! lol A white GTI with those 18" wheels looks hot as hell.... Even in Red, the MS3 just doesn't "do it" for me (which is why I passed on the car) Maybe it's the wheels... easily the fugliest wheels I've seen since the MS6 or maybe it's the station wagon body... All I know is, give the GTI an extra 60hp (which isn't too hard really) and you've got yourself a car that not only looks better (imo) and clearly has the better interior but is also just as quick.... then again, it would end up costing about 10k more than the MS3 so screw that!
Yes, In my opinion, let me say it again, in my opinion the MS3 does walk on the Gti in appearance. I, me, my opinion thinks the new Gti looks like a pinched off turd. The entire front clip is off, IN MY OPINION. Who cares what color Gti or what wheels, I was speaking in general terms of body lines etc. The fugliest wheels you have seen...HA and of course in YOUR OPINION right. The Gti wheels look like a button that fell off a late 50 or 60's silk shirt; now they are ugly as hell! Oh wait, in my opinion of course. The MS3 wheels are average but they sure aren't bad. If you want bad, you'll find that on the standard Gti wheels of course; they are awful! Oh wait, In my opinion.
Oh and... yeah, those plaid seats on the VW are just plain hideous. The equivalent of the MS3 wheels really... I realize they're paying tribute to the originals but.... come on man, somet things just need to die. One of the biggest complaints (or reasons people aren't buying the car) is the fact that it's so damn expensive. Since everyone (that I know at least) feels the same about those seats, they were sort of force dinto the leather option... which jacks the price up a couple grand. If VW was smart, they'd put in some nice cloth seats that appeal to the mainstream....
We'll I happen to like the plaid seats! It reminds me of my 84 Gti I owned some twenty plus years ago. So see, THATS YOUR OPINION.
Also let me tell you something Mr. Chico2003, this is the second time you have attempted to bash me without obviously reading my entire post. The first time you told me to get my head checked on information about the WRX's in a prior post and now I should get my eyes checked. I, in no way fashion or form bashed you or the VW Gti. I actually complimented it and simply said it's a matter of opinion because both cars are nice. Can you please show me where I said the VW is junk? Of course not. That is fact! Bashing me on what I wrote, then attempting to save yourself by troughing in your fancy "subjective" word amazes me. If you think your little charismatic way of speaking is a great way of saving face, find a different way because, it's not working. There are many well educated folk on this website, so be careful... People like you just get off on starting crap, so before you attempt to reply to any of my posts in the future, think twice before you do or really find out what your learning style is because it's certainly not visual. Then again maybe it is (eekfu)
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Karma_hunden
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fight! fight! fight! fight! fight!...
clos561 said:something is wrong with my second gear....it will drive fine and then sometimes when i shift into second and engage clutch and give it gas the gear pops out....its really geee and im driving a nissan sentra 2.0 for now.....29city/36hwy thumbs up for the current gas savings but its bad knowing my car is ******...and i just ordered the MS cai...i have no idea what it could be..my dad thinks something with the arm that guides the gear in....its not my clutch cuz all the other gears go in and stay fine...its jsut second...maybe some teeth broke off the gear? duno...(boom05)
take it to the dealer my car was having the same problem, they fixed it all!
M3_Zoom said:
Set my bias aside? Can you show me or tell me where I said the Gti was a bad car? NO! As far as the interior, like I originally said, IT"S A MATTER OF OPINION. Did I not say that? Ummm, yes I did. Also, did I say the Gti had better quality seats in leather trim? Ummm, why yes I did. It is a matter of opinion, well wait no I take that back because Chico2003 said so and he's the GOD of know all. Who are you to say, yup VW is the best. It's your opionion just likes it's my opinion, PERIOD!
So let me get this straight. According to you, my implying that you were a bit blinded by bias means that you also think the GTI is a bad car. I guess my bias (and I am) towards the MSP means I must think every other car is a POS. LOL What a bad way to start a debate. Dude... I never said you thought the GTI was a "bad car" so get over it. I merely said that I believe your post exuded bias and that you needed to take a step back.
As far as the rest of your verbal diarrhea is concerned... It's almost as if you didn't read my post. Hopefully, for your sake, you didn't. If you did and STILL don't understand that the quality of one's interior is NOT subjective (while the styling is) then you apparently need more help than I originally thought. To be clear, quality is not a subjective thing. The fit & finish of a product (whether it's a car's interior or... a couch) can all be measured quantitatively in a way that leaves no doubt.
Guess what guy, that's right! It's in your opionion that the Element is cool. Some say yes, some say no, but if I were to say it was junk, you would attempt to further educate me I'm sure.
What's with the "guy" s***? LOL Anyway... My referencing the fact that a car like the Element is generally looked upon to be unattractive was my way of making an example on how LOOKS can be and are subjective. The fact that you cannot delineate the difference between looks and quality is rather disturbing.
Actually, I test drove the 07 Gti. So let me guess my sensory motor skills lied to me when they said, it's ok. Well again that's my opinion. What you look for in a seat and the next guy looks for in a seat, can be different. That is what we call personal opinion. Did I say the new Gti seats were uncomfortable? NO! Again, did I not say the leather quality was better? Yes! Just thought I would mention that again since maybe you didn't get it the first time. So really who is bias? YOU! I actually was standing up for the Gti saying they are both nice cars and oh boy,once again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION!
I feel like I'm arguing with a child. So your "motor skills" (do you even know what those are?) said the GTI was "ok" huh? LOL Alrighty then!! You keep brining up the seats as if that's the ONLY thing that factors into a "which interior is best?" debate. I'm not even sure where their respective level of comfort entered the equation. Clearly anyone who has read this post up until this point (anyone but you I imagine) would realize that THAT would ALSO be subjective. There are simply too many factors involved. As an example, I (along with most of the target market) found the SRT-4 seats to be comfortable. A lot of older types would disagree. Does that have anything at all to do with their quality? Of course not. So why are we talking about it then???
Well horray for you that you test drove two MS3's. I have a MS3 GT with ZERO yes ZERO rattles. Most are finding the rattles are the loose wires from not having navigation. I have navigation and in no way is that an excuse because all MS3's should be equal. That is off topic, but again your opinion is you like the interior better than the MS3. Sure if I opted for the Gti with leather and equally equipped it with my current MS3 GT, I wouldn't have paid what I paid for my MS3 thats for sure. In case you did not read that, someone else already mentioned that for you as well. Oh boy not again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION.
WTF?!! I feel like I'm trapped in a the land of Stupid. Remind me again how my hearing rattles in one car and not hearing them in another is a matter of oppinion? Granted, it's not the most scientific method to determine how "tight" a car is but, combined with the various other things I read, definitely helped me formulate my final oppinion on the two cars. Everything else you wrote above has no bearing on what we're talking about so I'm not even going to address it.
Did I say the quality of the VW interior was better or worse than the MS3? I SAID THE VW WAS BETTER! Maybe you should go back and read my nice and polite post before you attempt to bash someone. You seem to be the type of person who reads only what he wants to read.
Since I'm in the middle of responding to your rubbish, I'll have to go back and do that later. Hopefully you didn't weasel out and edit your post or anything. That would be so weak.
Yes, In my opinion, let me say it again, in my opinion the MS3 does walk on the Gti in appearance. I, me, my opinion thinks the new Gti looks like a pinched off turd. The entire front clip is off, IN MY OPINION. Who cares what color Gti or what wheels, I was speaking in general terms of body lines etc. The fugliest wheels you have seen...HA and of course in YOUR OPINION right. The Gti wheels look like a button that fell off a late 50 or 60's silk shirt; now they are ugly as hell! Oh wait, in my opinion of course. The MS3 wheels are average but they sure aren't bad. If you want bad, you'll find that on the standard Gti wheels of course; they are awful! Oh wait, In my opinion.
We'll I happen to like the plaid seats! It reminds me of my 84 Gti I owned some twenty plus years ago. So see, THATS YOUR OPINION.
No s*** all of that is my opinion. I stated that it was from the start so get off your high horse already. All of those things were examples of how a car's looks are subjective and a matter of opinion. While it's not likely, there could be someone out there who thinks the wheels on the MS3 look hot. Who am I to argue with that person? As I made clear, that's their opinion. LOL You really aren't getting this are you?
Also let me tell you something Mr. Chico2003, this is the second time you have attempted to bash me without obviously reading my entire post. The first time you told me to get my head checked on information about the WRX's in a prior post and now I should get my eyes checked. I, in no way fashion or form bashed you or the VW Gti. I actually complimented it and simply said it's a matter of opinion because both cars are nice. Can you please show me where I said the VW is junk? Of course not. That is fact! Bashing me on what I wrote, then attempting to save yourself by troughing in your fancy "subjective" word amazes me. If you think your little charismatic way of speaking is a great way of saving face, find a different way because, it's not working. There are many well educated folk on this website, so be careful... People like you just get off on starting crap, so before you attempt to reply to any of my posts in the future, think twice before you do or really find out what your learning style is because it's certainly not visual. Then again maybe it is(eekfu)
Oh man.... this was definitely the cherry on the sundae. Thanks.. you made my day! haha charismatic way of speaking??? umm.... what? As far as this being the second time I've tried to bash you blah blah blah... sorry, I don't recall what happened. I'm sorry that it clearly had such a negative impact on your life that you're still upset about it though. I'll send you a Whitman Sampler... will that make you feel better? haha j/k
Alright... time to put this to bed. It's pretty clear to me now what the problem is. You're a defensive person who generally takes things far too personally. After skimming through my post and thinking I was putting you (or your precious car) down in some way, you took it upon yourself to berate me and attempt to poke holes in my argument. Ironically enough, despite the fact that you clearly invested a good deal of time into writing this diatribe, you didn't bother to respond to what started this in the first place. Quite sad really.
This 'debate' was never about whose car looks better... which car is faster... who has more comfortable seats...who has better looking wheels... or any of that BS you tried to make it into. I merely disagreed with your point that there wasn't any discernable differences between the GTI & MS3's interior quality. Does that automatically mean that I think the MS3's interior is crap? LOL In your mixed up reality it does.... but in the real world, comparing the cars is like comparing a lamborghini & a ferrari. (relatively speaking of course) Both are great cars and are better (and worse) in certain areas. Tha'ts all we have here. Just like the Lambo/Ferrari comparison.... some will like the looks of one car better than the other. In the end, however, certain facts are undisputable. Which car is faster? Well, that's easy! Just put them through a series of tests to figure it out. What car handles better? Easy as well... same sort of thing. Which car has a higher quality interior? Hmm... Alright, maybe we can't run em on a 1/4 mile track or skidpad but there are still plenty of tests that can be run to determine (hands down) which car is the winner here.
Sorry "guy" but your attempt to pump my argument full of lead only left you with a.... umm... lead foot. haha Which, I suppose, is fitting since you've got yourself a pretty sweet ride.
In closing... I'm going to ignore your personal insults and basically chalk them up to your being frustrated with the fact that you were outmatched. Since I've (basically) said everything I have to say.... I'll continue my pissing contest in the woods rather than on your... haha j/k
Originally Posted by jtom
The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.
The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.
JTom said the interior of the GTI is of higher quality than the MS3 and you disagreed. I merely backed up his point.
The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.
The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.
M3_Zoom said:Sorry guy but you can compare the two. What it boils down to is a difference in opinion and what the buyer is looking for. The interior on the VW is only better if you opt for the leather seats. VW's leather is a better quality leather and that's it. If you opt for standard cloth interior the MS3 seats are equal to the VW. In reference to the exterior, the MS3 and Gti are equal in quality and fitment but the MS3 walks on the Gti for appearance. They are very comparable cars minus the performance. That's like saying "well you cannot compare the Gti with the MS3 because everyone knows VW's have a but load of electrical problems, so VW's are junk." Come on, they are both nice cars and it's all about what your looking for. I can tell you, I have owned a handfull of VW's in my days and this is my first Mazda and I'm very impressed with the entire car not just from a performance mindset either.
JTom said the interior of the GTI is of higher quality than the MS3 and you disagreed. I merely backed up his point.
yea man i took it to the dealer day after it started...driving around this rental sentra is good ftm, good mpg and no miles on my car (sept for the ***** driving my car at the dealer)MS6mike said:take it to the dealer my car was having the same problem, they fixed it all!
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