warranty voided by mazda rep

A lil off topic but i was reading the thread and i have to say if you have the opprotunity DO NOT!! DO NOT!! EVER GO TO GALPIN FORD EVER. They will try and screw you when ever possible. whether it be financing and puting on hidden charges right before you sign, or whether it is taking your car back on a simple warranty issue. If Galpin can screw you in anyway, make no mistake they will. I HIGHLY recommend going to another dealer prior to getting a car.

phil and I are locals. I was actually about to buy his car back in May before he changed his mind, so I bought another MS3 instead. But I have helped with some installs on his car n all. He had been telling me that Galpin was fine because Navar was ok with mods. But he said Navar left and some lady was handling the situation. The whole thing makes me also not to want to go to Galpin for anything.

I went to EZ Lube Wednesday for an oil change because last thing I want is to have to remove my mods to go to the Galpin dealership for anything
 
And to phillyb they didn't void your entire warranty just powertrain coverage. So any interior or exterior electrical problems or part failures are still covered. For example say you airbag light came on that is covered, say your window motor took a crap that's covered as well.

thanks.
 
A lil off topic but i was reading the thread and i have to say if you have the opprotunity DO NOT!! DO NOT!! EVER GO TO GALPIN FORD EVER. They will try and screw you when ever possible. whether it be financing and puting on hidden charges right before you sign, or whether it is taking your car back on a simple warranty issue. If Galpin can screw you in anyway, make no mistake they will. I HIGHLY recommend going to another dealer prior to getting a car.

I heard bad things about them also. They make car buying experiences bad for consumers, even though it should be a good experience. Jesus christ buying a new car should be fun, but the people at these stealerships try to bend you over and **** you in your ass without vasoline. **** em.
 
My close friend also got screwed at Galpin. He needed a co-signer to complete the transaction, and they drove back to his father's house with the car salesman (guess the salesman was desperate). Anyways the father looked at the paperwork and said no to the agreement.

Two days later my friend got a call from the salesman saying that he wanted to take him to small claims court for violating their verbal agreement at the dealership. I guess cars salesman make about 200-250 for every car they sell. Instead of going to court with his father, my friend just ended up paying the 250 to the salesman. The salesman's name is Julio btw... **** those guys!
 
My close friend also got screwed at Galpin. He needed a co-signer to complete the transaction, and they drove back to his father's house with the car salesman (guess the salesman was desperate). Anyways the father looked at the paperwork and said no to the agreement.

Two days later my friend got a call from the salesman saying that he wanted to take him to small claims court for violating their verbal agreement at the dealership. I guess cars salesman make about 200-250 for every car they sell. Instead of going to court with his father, my friend just ended up paying the 250 to the salesman. The salesman's name is Julio btw... **** those guys!

Wow, what a scumbag salesperson.....

He deserves a kick in the sack for that. It would be fun getting to see the judge laugh his ass off at the salesman's expense. NEVER pay a salesperson trying to extort money out of you.
 
My close friend also got screwed at Galpin. He needed a co-signer to complete the transaction, and they drove back to his father's house with the car salesman (guess the salesman was desperate). Anyways the father looked at the paperwork and said no to the agreement.

Two days later my friend got a call from the salesman saying that he wanted to take him to small claims court for violating their verbal agreement at the dealership. I guess cars salesman make about 200-250 for every car they sell. Instead of going to court with his father, my friend just ended up paying the 250 to the salesman. The salesman's name is Julio btw... **** those guys!

wow. the salesperson doesn't even have an argument. your friend could have let him take him.her to small claims court. a verbal agreement between that person and the salesperson has no bearing on what the co-signer says. WOW. what an ass...i'm also assuming that dad was going on line 1, and if he is...he has every right to walk away from the deal.
 
Most states have a Statute of Frauds which provides that any agreement over $500 has to be in writing to be enforceable.
 
Most states have a Statute of Frauds which provides that any agreement over $500 has to be in writing to be enforceable.

straight from the lawyers mouth...you're a lawyer, right?

i also just want to say that salespeople can make anywhere from 50-~1400 on each sale. there are tons of variables
 
Enough already!

This is the law! Read it!

Can an automotive dealership void your warranty?
Understanding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975.

Nearly everyone has heard about someone who has taken a vehicle that has been modified with aftermarket parts to a dealer for warranty service, only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states that because of the aftermarket parts the warranty is void, without even attempting to determine whether the aftermarket part caused the problem.

This is illegal.

Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. To better understand this problem it is best to know the differences between the two types of new car warranties and the two types of emission warranties.

When a vehicle is purchased new and the owner is protected against the faults that may occur by an expressed warranty - an offer by the manufacturer to assume the responsibility for problems with predetermined parts during a stated period of time. Beyond the expressed warranty, the vehicle manufacturer is often held responsible for further implied warranties. These state that a manufactured product should meet certain standards. However, in both cases, the mere presence of aftermarket parts doesn't void the warranty.

There are also two emission warranties (defect and performance) required under the clean air act. The defect warranty requires the manufacturer to produce a vehicle which, at the time of sale, is free of defects that would cause it to not meet the required emission levels for it's useful life as defined in the law. The performance warranty implies a vehicle must maintain certain levels of emission performance over it's useful life. If the vehicle fails to meet the performance warranty requirements, the manufacturer must make repairs at no cost to the owner, even if an aftermarket part is directly responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer cannot void the performance warranty. This protection is the result of a parts self - certification program developed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA).

In cases where such a failed aftermarket part is responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer must arrange a settlement with the consumer, but by law the new - vehicle warranty is not voided.

Overall, the laws governing warranties are very clear. The only time a new vehicle warranty can be voided is if an aftermarket part has been installed and it can be proven that it is responsible for an emission warranty claim. However, a vehicle manufacturer or dealership cannot void a warranty simply because an an aftermarket equipment has been installed on a vehicle.

If a dealership denies a warranty claim and you think the claim falls under the rules explained above concerning the clean air act (such as an emission part failure), obtain a written explanation of the dealers refusal. Then follow the steps outlined in the owners manual. However, if this fails, then phone your complaint in to the EPA at (202) 233-9040 or (202) 326-9100.

If a dealer denies a warranty claim involving an implied or expressed new car warranty and you would like help, you can contact the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint, you can call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357), or use the online complaint form. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide.

Click the link below to learn more about the law. What you do with this information is now up to you.....

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
 
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I heard the same crap from my dealership when asking them about replacement of the rear motor mount. Keep in mind that Mazda is building the best $25K car they can, not a $100K car. Cost is an issue when designing and building these cars. Many after market parts will make this car much better than the one Mazda sells.

Question - What kind of warranties do the manufacturers of some of these mods offer? If it is determined that the Mod caused the problem, shouldn't there be some recourse with them?

Absolutely none. Manufacturers most often will warranty their own part, but rarely will they warranty the effect on the car. Some companies do this, Lingenfelter comes to mind. You pay for the peace of mind though, as a cam, engine rebuild, and a tune will cost you over $10k there.

There are plenty of avenues to pursue if a dealer has illegally voided your warranty. Unfortunately none will result in satisfaction. Let's face it, most of us are not rich (yet! right guys?) and our MS3 is our daily driver. If something breaks, we need it fixed asap and at a reasonable cost. If the dealership tells you to pound sand, what is your recourse? Ultimately it's to get a lawyer, pay him a ton of money, wait several months, hope the judgment is handed in your favor, wait a few more months, and then hope that it's carried out to your satisfaction.

I've seen many cases where people pay more money in lawyers fees than the money they were trying to get back. Nobody here has got the time or the resources to risk just to get your money back while your car sits broken for half a year.

A lot of guys I talked to at meets loved to talk hard about how they'd get all uppity in the service managers face, humiliating him, and forcing him to fix their broken modded car for free... all with a little knowledge of the law. This doesn't happen. If they void your warranty, 99% of the time you're ******, regardless if you're legally correct.

And you know what? Your mod may actually have contributed. There was a time when untuned subarus modded with an intake were blowing up left and right...
 
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Hyper, you are now notified that you hyperpasta are now on retainer to advise and counsel all forum members at no cost to yourself. Thanks. and agreed, Mc. very nice and yes stick it!
 
You can't hold a dealer responsible for verbal agreements. Let that POS salesman sue me for a "verbal agreement". Maybe the salesman should be charged with extortion.
 
as long as you are willing to pay for the repair they have to service your car..you are a paying customer (i used to work at mazda) service department
 
I think I'm gonna stick to stock with this car no matter how crap some of it is. I came from a 130 bhp Ford Contour and 130 bhp Protege5. The stock MS3 feels like a damn rocket in comparison.

i'm trying to do that with my si but man there is a throttle body spacer that adds 4 whp thats only 76 bucks, i might buy and see if the dealership can install it
 
i'm trying to do that with my si but man there is a throttle body spacer that adds 4 whp thats only 76 bucks, i might buy and see if the dealership can install it

4 hp...76 bucks?
shouldn't you and your si be concerned with torque, being that the ms3 has twice the amount of foot pounds you do
 
4 hp...76 bucks?
shouldn't you and your si be concerned with torque, being that the ms3 has twice the amount of foot pounds you do

ive seen info on TB spacers online, apparently they are supposed to work. I considered buying one for my cavalier years ago but someone installed one on his and told me it did absolutely nothing for a gain and was a waste of money
 

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