Wanting more power

[kickerMSP]

Ok, ive read alot of threads on here telling you not to boost your MSP over 10psi without having a built bottomend, turbo upgrade and what not. I dont have the money for all this s***.

I was wondering if i just upgraded the rods and pistons if i would still have trouble with the motor blowing up over 10psi?

Also, why is it that when people run the T3/T4 turbos on the MSP's they are slow as s*** but boosting like 15psi. But the guys with the t28's are getting way more horsepower. i dont get it because t3/t4's should be pushing waaaay more horse.

 

[mspHtown]

Ok, ive read alot of threads on here telling you not to boost your MSP over 10psi without having a built bottomend, turbo upgrade and what not. I dont have the money for all this s***.

I was wondering if i just upgraded the rods and pistons if i would still have trouble with the motor blowing up over 10psi?

Also, why is it that when people run the T3/T4 turbos on the MSP's they are slow as s*** but boosting like 15psi. But the guys with the t28's are getting way more horsepower. i dont get it because t3/t4's should be pushing waaaay more horse.

you wouldnt need a turbo upgrade to be able to handle 10psi. the stock turbo is good for about 15 psi i believe. i dont understand your logic. after putting new rods and pistons into a built block, you will be down about 2500-3000 dollars. if you dont have alot of money then you shouldnt even think about an engine build. if you get a cheap engine build hten it will most likely fail and you will end up buying another block and wasting more money. you need to get an upgraded intercooler, open up the exhaust (get a test pipe), boost controller, and engine management (have a conservative tune). Put it at 9 psi and you wont have a bomb.

 

[kickerMSP]

Yes, i understand but what i wanted to know is the problem with the rods breaking. If i put in new pistons and rods will i stil have this problem?? thats pretty much it. So then i WONT have to BUY a built block.

you wouldnt need a turbo upgrade to be able to handle 10psi. the stock turbo is good for about 15 psi i believe. i dont understand your logic. after putting new rods and pistons into a built block, you will be down about 2500-3000 dollars. if you dont have alot of money then you shouldnt even think about an engine build. if you get a cheap engine build hten it will most likely fail and you will end up buying another block and wasting more money. you need to get an upgraded intercooler, open up the exhaust (get a test pipe), boost controller, and engine management (have a conservative tune). Put it at 9 psi and you wont have a bomb.

 

[Blackrose]

Yes, i understand but what i wanted to know is the problem with the rods breaking. If i put in new pistons and rods will i stil have this problem?? thats pretty much it. So then i WONT have to BUY a built block.

No you wouldnt have to buy a block that is built. But you would still have to have some machine work done plus the cost of the rods and pistons. It will still be expensive. Even then you are not going to get too much power just by raiseing the boost 2-3 psi. Start off with the smaller bolt-ons. Exhaust, Intake, Piggyback FMIC and MBC and you will notice a HUGE difference.

 

[kicker22705]

you can make plenty enough power to beat a heavily modded GTI's, RSX's, 350Zs, and lightly modded SRT4s, Evo's, and STi's on a stock block.

if thats good enough for you, don't bother w/ forged and mod and tune your car correctly. You'll be suprised how fast the MSP is w/ just 250whp.

 

[benben84]

Just putting rods and pistons in is basically a built block without the machining work. But it is not recommended and I doubt a shop will jsut put these in without the machine work. Also, just buying the rods and pistons would be a large chunk of money and if you were to spend that then you might as well do it right.

Like others have said: FMIC, turboback 3in exhaust(maybe not cat), CAI, some kind of tuning which is all up to you(do a search), and a boost controller. You will be amazed at the power you can get from bolt-ons even without turning up the boost. Since you said you don't have a lot of money I wouldn't even mess with turning up the boost until you have some cash for emergencies just in case you do break something.

 

[nvmsp]

Yea, and thats not even considering your clutch,LSD, trans., and the list goes on, breaking.

 

[kickerMSP]

damn well thanks guys. Ill probably work on the FMIC. I did have a Hiboost FMIC and a UC but i had to sell them cuz of bills. Ill check with some machine shops around here too. Why does s*** break so easy in MSP's. I guess mazda didnt think of that when they built the MSP. just took a protege and slapped some stuff on it.

 

[vinnie mack]

you are exactly right about them just slappign stuff on. To my knowledge the block was only meant to see small amounts of boost..

http://www.sunbeltperformance.com/

they built the engine's for Tindol Motorsports' Proteges in the Speed World Challenge. They ran n/a on the 1.8 motor (same block no boost) with 250hp.