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Send lobbist over to fight the war.. They do a gob job to convince politicans, so I think they would do good in Iraq....
Vote for President now
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I think that if the entire history of the United States was different then we could have avoided going to war. I for one think that we did the right thing given the current situation. Therefore I am not trying to think of what should have been done differently to avoid a war.katsmp3 said:
I agree Gbourdon. Our entire history would have to be different. Our president made the best decision he could. No one complained after 9/11 when we bombed Afganistan.. I dont think we should have to wait until iraq has killed 3,000 of our people to approve going to war with them
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Rism said:
That was mostly because of the huge issues they had with the original baggage system.
They started with a huge completely automated baggae system, and peoples stuff ended up all over the place.
Some ramps were speeding luggage along so fats the luggage literally was thrown off. No one knew until people started complaining.
The little carts on tracks were going so fast soemtimes they would burn out the wheels and jam up the whole system.
The luggage system a lone was almost a million, and then the cost of replacing it completely was no small amount of money, not to mention having to pay people to do it while the automated system was torn out and redone...
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No, Iraq was no threat. There were only two camps actively training al Quaeda there days before Iraqi Freedom started.marashka said:
And only one of those camps was producing biological weapons.
And Iraq only supported a number of other terrorsit organizations outiside of Iraq that could very easily reach out and touch us.
No, that's not a threat at all.
Meanwhile, North Korea didn't have the capability to completle a missile in any timely manner. They still do not have a rocket strong enough to reach California, and in no way can really damage the US, like a terrorist organization supported by Iraq could have before Saddam was captured.
Nope, Iraq was not a threat...And neither was North Korea.
If you can't read soem of the sarcasm, then please add a little.
Get the facts staright before sayign Iraq was no threat at all. That is completely assinine. Not to mention, North Korea is a completely different entity and requires a different approach than Iraq.
Plus, UN unaimously agreed under Clinton (who they knew would never do anything about Iraq) that Iraq should not be doing what they were doing days before Iraqi Freedom started. But, because the head of the UN and France were raking in all kinds of illegal money from illegal food for oil programs they pushed their weight around to prevent the Security Counsel agreeing to what they already agreed to years ago.
Now, Russia was out some money as well, becuase they sold Iraq all kinds neato gadgets, such as GPS jammers (somethign they did not have in the first war) which were also illegal according to the UN imposed sanctions!
But, Iraq was no threat at all. WHATEVER!
i am not going to pull an oil card....we dont need iraq's oil ( although it would not hurt to have an extra supply, would it?) . what we do need however is another friendly country in the middle east. right now there is no one besides Saudi, who are getting fed up with us little by little as well. all i am saying is so far i see no reason to murder thousands iraqis and countless american and british etc troops for.......what? we did not accomplish anything. Iraq is more unstable and just as dangerous as it was 1 day before iraqi "freedom"katsmp3 said:
StuttersC , where did you get the information about bilogical weapons? from collin powells speach to UN? come on, you make me laugh. you probably watch CNN an believe what you see and hear.
I spent some time in Korea and been to some military briefings about the threat it posesses. its not the missles we are scared of but the technology and materials Korea posesses and what they can do with it. Iraq had no such technologies.
believe what you want to believe but this country is full of propaganda and you guys just belive anything they feed you.
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Marashka, I shouldn't have directed the oil thing at you. We have a bunch of people at my university that keep chalking "No War for Oil" everywhere on campus. And every time I we talk about the war, they pull the oil card. You sound like an interesting person, Where do you work that has permitted you to be at the military briefings and such.
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iraq sits atop the world's second oil reserve behind saudi arabia. the iraqi's ability to produce this oil has been hampered by saddam's greed, and then further by the sanctions placed upon the country after the first gulf war.
i don't deny that iraq posed a danger, but that danger is as tangible as that of syria or lybia, whose governments were founded on terrorist style tactics and whose leaders obviously condone and encourage "freedom fighters."
saddam was such a greedy bastard that i think he harbored whatever wealth was left from the first gulf war unto his circle of thuggish ruggish bones and left the majority of his people out to dry. there's no doubt that he had weapons, there's no doubt he had used them. there's also no doubt that he would have used them had he had the opportunity.
previous to the onset of the current iraq war, people tend to forget that iraq was under an almost daily barrage of military offensives and defensives. every time an american plane was locked on by anti-aircraft missiles or artillery, all hell broke loose in that area.
the way i see it, saddam hasn't really done anything since 91. his republican guard was a rag tag team of loudmouth "i'm going to fight till my death" cowards who, on the majority, surrendered without even firing a shot. i think if we got osama first, we would still have had time to go into iraq and do what we are doing with a little more support from the international community.
what i do know is that two close friends who are in the military do not want to be there the second time around. one went to iraq, fought, got sent to korea, and now he's heading back to iraq. another one is awaiting deployment any day now. their unit was told they could be called up any time within the next three months, this after spending a full year in country, first stationed in kuwait, then on the battlefields of iraq. they'll still go if called upon, but they are seeing the futility of this war.
its all good,...katsmp3 said:
i spent 4 years in Marines, got out recently, mainly because i did not agree with iraq war going on and did not want to put my life on the line for the reasons i did not see. afganistan was a different story and even though i did not get to go i kept on writing letters to my commanding officer to be sent there. that war i could not have agreed more with, and give Bush props for timely and swift operation.
but with Iraq i think Bush screwed up a little....
Things that have happened in Iraq since we got there. And this is as of April, so some accomplishments are not on here
* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored
there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from
ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time
ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before
the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35%
before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are
in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side
with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to
prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first
time in 30 years.
* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored
there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from
ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time
ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before
the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35%
before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are
in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side
with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to
prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first
time in 30 years.
does this worth 10.000 + people dead?katsmp3 said:
you dont have to answer that....
Edit: "Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first
time in 30 years."
He has to be in their text books.....he is a huge part of their history, regardless of him being a terrible dictator.....if he isn't then we truly didnt accomplish anything.....
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