US Diesel's big splash introduction

FWIW...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/09/still-dont-know-mazda-cx-5-diesel-will-arrive-america/

The potential for success is limited, but Mazda nevertheless announced in Los Angeles in November 2016 that the revamped 2017 Mazda CX-5 would be available with a 2.2-liter diesel torque monster.

Diesel? 2017? The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal that broke in late 2015 ended diesel’s run at Volkswagen of America and eventually ended with the withdrawal of diesel engines in Mercedes-Benz USA’s lineup, as well.

Yet diesel persists. General Motors, for example, is selling diesel variants of the Chevrolet Cruze and Equinox and the Equinox’s GMC Terrain sibling. And with Mazda’s decision to sell a 310-lb-ft diesel CX-5, compact crossover shoppers would have three choices.

Mazda said last year that “it will offer the Skyactiv-D 2.2 clean diesel engine in the all-new Mazda CX-5 for North America from the second half of 2017.”

Only half of the second half remains, and MazdaUSA.com still lists the 2017 CX-5 Diesel as a future vehicle. So where’s the 2017 Mazda CX-5 Diesel we were promised?

It’s not at Mazda dealers, that’s for sure. And it’s not on the way to Mazda dealers, certainly not at this moment.

Car And Driver asked a similar question after spotting a diesel-badged CX-5 roaming Michigan roads, apparently undergoing testing by Bosch. We decided to ask Mazda about the CX-5’s diesel timing, as well, curious if Mazda still planned to live up to its promise to sell a CX-5 in 2017, paticularly as Mazda’s consumer website continues to call the CX-5 diesel a 2017 model.

“We are working with the EPA and CARB and will have more information in the future,” a Mazda spokesperson told TTAC yesterday.

Seeking clarification, we asked if it’s safe to say the CX-5 is, for sure and for certain, still destined for U.S. sale.

The response was the same. Timing is a total unknown.

Seeking further clarification, we reached out to Mazda Canada. The response is similar: “We continue to work with EPA and CARB on final certification, and will have further information about on-sale dates as soon as certification is complete,” Mazda Canada’s spokesperson says. But in this case, there is an apparently greater level of certainty. “Mazda remains committed to bringing a Skyactiv-D diesel engine to the North American market in the Mazda CX-5.”

Beyond our journalistic skepticism, Mazda’s history leads us to doubt. Upon revealing the current Mazda 6 in Los Angeles in November 2012, Mazda said the new midsize sedan would be sold from January 2013 with a gas-powered 2.5-liter four-cylinder. “The Skyactiv-D-equipped version will follow suit in the second half of the year [2013],” Mazda said at the time, “making Mazda the first Asian manufacturer to offer a modern-technology clean-diesel engine in a non-commercial vehicle.”

The Mazda 6 diesel, promised four years ago, never materialized. By the second-half of 2014, TTAC was covering the diesel’s absence, a delay caused by an apparent need for more after-treatment.

Fast forward to 2017 and we’re still waiting on Mazda’s Equinox competitor with no anticipated on-sale date. Diesel-powered versions of the Equinox, meanwhile, are beginning to trickle into dealers — Cars.com lists nearly 300 in its inventory.

Mazda had anticipated that 10 percent of CX-5 buyers would choose the 2.2-liter diesel. It appears increasingly unlikely that Mazda needs a diesel engine in order to boost CX-5 demand. At a brand where non-CX-5 sales are down 9 percent, the CX-5 is up 10 percent, tracking toward a fifth consecutive year of growth thanks to year-over-year growth in seven of the last eight months. Easily the brand’s best seller, the CX-5 earns four out of every ten U.S. Mazda sales.

Thought I'd fuel all of your panic with further reactionary media stories (rlaugh)
 
Its the emissions tune defeat button. Allows it to pass EPA test, then revert to performance mode. Oh, wait ... another company already thought of that and ruined it for everyone.
 
the button says "stop" next to it.
Probably a kill switch for the engine.

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This is wild speculation but I wonder if the CX-5 is a diesel or could it be a CX-5 with the new HCCI engine? The car a driver article suggested it was diesel but had no proof.

As the CX-5 is the only Mazda with increasing sales in the USA, making this a priority might not be a bad idea.
 
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This is wild speculation but I wonder if the CX-5 is a diesel or could it be a CX-5 with the new HCCI engine? The car a driver article suggested it was diesel but had no proof.

As the CX-5 is the only Mazda with increasing sales in the USA, making this a priority might not be a bad idea.

Could be a HCCI mule but could be way too early for that. There are other Mazda models that will get this engine before the CX-5 (3,6)
 
Could be a HCCI mule but could be way too early for that. There are other Mazda models that will get this engine before the CX-5 (3,6)

So they say, but the CX-5 is the money maker for Mazda in the USA. The Mazda 3 is on track to sell only 81K units in the USA, which is a 15% drop from last year and the lowest since 2004! Car sales in the USA are dropping like a rock.
 
So they say, but the CX-5 is the money maker for Mazda in the USA. The Mazda 3 is on track to sell only 81K units in the USA, which is a 15% drop from last year and the lowest since 2004! Car sales in the USA are dropping like a rock.
Yes but in terms of model refreshment, the 3 is older. Hence it is due 1st. Sales wise, the 3 sells more than the CX-5 here
 
Yes but in terms of model refreshment, the 3 is older. Hence it is due 1st. Sales wise, the 3 sells more than the CX-5 here


Yeah, and I think they need to do something to drive sales. A faster 3 with better gas mileage could sway people from a corolla or civic.
 
I'm currently here at a local carwash. I had them inspect the undercarriage of my diesel because I plan to have them apply undercoat for additional sound insulation and protection. Here are the pictures.

There's this black gray felt like texture that is covering some parts and very thin aluminum panels for heatsink.
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Sounds dubious. What kind of material are they supposed to apply that would deaden sound? What do they apply it to and to protect against what?
 
Sounds dubious. What kind of material are they supposed to apply that would deaden sound? What do they apply it to and to protect against what?
I'm the dubious one because it was my plan. [emoji1]

Basically the undercoat was initially for lessening road noise. However it sold better when marketed as "rust proof". [emoji16] They only have 3M brand. Additional layer of protection against moist and rust.

3M is rubberized. I'm looking for bitumen based as they are "stickier".
 
I'm the dubious one because it was my plan. [emoji1]

Basically the undercoat was initially for lessening road noise. However it sold better when marketed as "rust proof". [emoji16] They only have 3M brand. Additional layer of protection against moist and rust.

3M is rubberized. I'm looking for bitumen based as they are "stickier".

Are you still getting decent levels of road noise for you to even consider this (uhm)
 
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