US Diesel's big splash introduction

[Xeler8ing]

When has anyone got that from any car company? (rlaugh)

Never! (lol)

 

[Xeler8ing]

No way in hell thats a production exhaust..if so I won't buy it based on that alone..speaking of automotive abortions..tesla model x damn is that thing busted and i like big asses but...(puke)

We shall see.....

 

[Monterra]

So if we know that and we know that Mazda was likely given a loose 'fall' time frame for testing and we're seeing what appears to be a test mule in...wait for it... fall and we were told late fall for P.R. 'launch' and late 2017 / early 2018 for delivery.... why does everybody still seem to be panicking and complaining of 'delays' and 'hold ups'?

Seems to me, everything's on pretty much the schedule we've been told for a while now...

Because governments are known for sucking in terms of efficiency and timeliness and that's when they actually have a vested interest/sense of urgency..Mazdas diesel..probably not so much...

 

[xtrailman]

Talking about the exhaust, I've never seen the point of only one exhaust pipe going into a rear muffler, then splitting to two. ?

 

[Xeler8ing]

Talking about the exhaust, I've never seen the point of only one exhaust pipe going into a rear muffler, then splitting to two. ?

Saving space perhaps (scratch)

 

[Red MC]

Thanks for posting Kaps...^^this is exactly what I suspected and why should we not be encouraged by this Red? This by no means says its a lock but it does mean wheels (real ones with Yokohama tires) are turning! You could be right about this being a sky-x mule but I doubt it. However, I have zero doubt the fate and timing of our sky-d will and is at this point is in our government (and California's) hands. Screw California if you have to Mazda...please!

Well, the CX-5 diesel is in its 5th model year. It's not like we're talking about a new car here, or maybe we are?

When I see prototypes running around with one-off parts that usually means production is a long way off. If this is the diesel, what's with the custom exhaust? It's not like they don't have production mufflers and tailpipes for the CX-5 diesel. I wouldn't think they need a whole new exhaust to add a urea injector ahead of the cat. And even if they did, you would think they would have production-representative parts on it if they were at the stage where they were using this for EPA conformance. And that 5500 rpm redline, which is different from the 5100 rpm redline of the current 2.2D. That might suggest a significant change to the engine. So if this is a prototype for the North American diesel, it suggests we're getting a significantly revised diesel, and it's still a ways off.

Then again, it could be a test vehicle for some completely different purpose and we're getting worked up over nothing.

 

[Monterra]

5th model year, 20th model year I don't think that matters one bit in this instance. Its brand new as far as being available for sale in the US and emission regs are concerned...post dieselgate mind you.
I honestly don't know what to make of the exhaust but I figure its there because one of the testing agencies requested it or Mazda thought it could help their cause..here's all the 2.2D emissions concentrated in one place to more easily prove how clean it is...maybe. Mazda made no secret that it was tinkering with the engine- keep in mind the urea addition is a new feature (right?) so that probably allowed them to push performance some to better position it as the premium engine worthy of its added cost.

 

[geodug]

Well it looks like the pressure is up a notch. If you really want a CX-5 diesel (I do) there are alternatives with more coming. The 2018 Chev Equinox with diesel is now shown on cars.com as having 310 units available across the US.

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...levance&stkTypId=28880&yrId=35797618&zc=98230

I registered many moons ago with Mazda for news about the CX-5 diesel and have heard nothing. The next comparative model that will be very shortly released is the GMC Terrain diesel. Which will I buy first?

 

[finch204]

Well it looks like the pressure is up a notch. If you really want a CX-5 diesel (I do) there are alternatives with more coming. The 2018 Chev Equinox with diesel is now shown on cars.com as having 310 units available across the US.

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...levance&stkTypId=28880&yrId=35797618&zc=98230

I registered many moons ago with Mazda for news about the CX-5 diesel and have heard nothing. The next comparative model that will be very shortly released is the GMC Terrain diesel. Which will I buy first?

I would just get the 2017 CX-5 with the NA engine over a Chevy Equinox with the diesel.

 

[Red MC]

IMO, Chevy's 1.6L diesel is fine for the Cruze but inadequate for pushing around the Equinox. Fuel economy and range will be excellent, but performance is really going to suffer, especially passing power. It's also fairly expensive, $37k for the Premier trim. I could see paying that for a loaded CX-5 diesel, but it's harder to swallow that for an under-performing Chevy. The Terrain will be worse, $41k for a loaded diesel. I don't know what GMC is thinking with their sticker prices these days.

 

[banjos-n-beer]

I can't wrap my head around their Denali trim pricing. (braindead

 

[dyingquail]

Well it looks like the pressure is up a notch. If you really want a CX-5 diesel (I do) there are alternatives with more coming. The 2018 Chev Equinox with diesel is now shown on cars.com as having 310 units available across the US.

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...levance&stkTypId=28880&yrId=35797618&zc=98230

I registered many moons ago with Mazda for news about the CX-5 diesel and have heard nothing. The next comparative model that will be very shortly released is the GMC Terrain diesel. Which will I buy first?

Dude what about,

https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/bentayga/bentayga-diesel.html

 

[Kaps]

Dude what about,

https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/bentayga/bentayga-diesel.html

CO2 EPA Drivecycle
EPA not applicable - Bentayga Diesel not available in US

 

[J.R.]

Well, the CX-5 diesel is in its 5th model year. It's not like we're talking about a new car here, or maybe we are?

When I see prototypes running around with one-off parts that usually means production is a long way off. If this is the diesel, what's with the custom exhaust? It's not like they don't have production mufflers and tailpipes for the CX-5 diesel. I wouldn't think they need a whole new exhaust to add a urea injector ahead of the cat. And even if they did, you would think they would have production-representative parts on it if they were at the stage where they were using this for EPA conformance. And that 5500 rpm redline, which is different from the 5100 rpm redline of the current 2.2D. That might suggest a significant change to the engine. So if this is a prototype for the North American diesel, it suggests we're getting a significantly revised diesel, and it's still a ways off.

Then again, it could be a test vehicle for some completely different purpose and we're getting worked up over nothing.

There were reports that North America was getting a more powerful version FWIW.

IMO, Chevy's 1.6L diesel is fine for the Cruze but inadequate for pushing around the Equinox. Fuel economy and range will be excellent, but performance is really going to suffer, especially passing power. It's also fairly expensive, $37k for the Premier trim. I could see paying that for a loaded CX-5 diesel, but it's harder to swallow that for an under-performing Chevy. The Terrain will be worse, $41k for a loaded diesel. I don't know what GMC is thinking with their sticker prices these days.

Gott price 'em high initially so you can offer bigger discounts later! (rlaugh)

 

[Xeler8ing]

There were reports that North America was getting a more powerful version FWIW.

That is due to your stricter emission requirements

 

[Red MC]

I can't wrap my head around their Denali trim pricing. (braindead

I can't either. There are Terrain Denalis out there with window stickers up to $45k. There's no Denali trim for the diesel, but if there was, can you imagine upper 40s for a GMC compact CUV with 137 hp?

Gott price 'em high initially so you can offer bigger discounts later! (rlaugh)

Indeed. But even with the discounts it's a bit much. My wife test drove an Acadia Denali back in April. Stickered at $53k, OTD for $46k, but that's still too much. The Denali trim was nice, but CX-9 Signature was nicer and OTD for $5k less.
Ford Explorer Platinum was up there too, but the stonking engine and cushy interior helps to sooth the sticker shock a bit.

 

[dougal]

Whats Happening with the Mazda CX-5 Diesel?

When it comes to bringing a diesel engine to the United States, Mazda has talked the talk for a long while but has yet to walk the walk. Years ago, the company discussed bringing a Mazda 6 diesel to our shores, but when that fell through, the popular CX-5 crossover became the prime candidate for Mazdas 2.2-liter Skyactiv-D engine in the States. Mazda confirmed last year that a CX-5 diesel is happening, and we caught a prototype version of such a vehicle running around Michigan this weekend, suggesting that its official arrival may not be too far off. The CX-5 we spotted was devoid of any badging, but certain clues identified it as a diesel-powered model. Look closely and youll see an intercooler mounted behind the lower front grille, a tachometer that appears to redline at a low 5500 rpm, and a single exhaust pipe instead of the standard gasoline-powered CX-5s dual outlets.



Mazda has stated previously that the diesel engine will be offered on the 2017 CX-5 and that it will arrive in the second half of this year. At this point, however, Mazda has yet to share any more information about the CX-5 diesel, which brings that timing into question. A Mazda spokesperson told us that the company is currently working with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) toward final emissions certification on this powertrain but wouldnt share any more timing details. Mazda noted to us that preproduction models may be running around; this prototype has a Bosch sticker on its windshield, which could indicate the supplierknown for its fleet of diesel test vehicles in our area, southeastern Michigancould be conducting testing for Mazda.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/whats-happening-with-the-mazda-cx-5-diesel/

In those pics, there is a big red button in the middle of the dash. Anybody know what it is. The HCCI cars had it as well.

 

[Kaps]

In those pics, there is a big red button in the middle of the dash. Anybody know what it is. The HCCI cars had it as well.

Its a lipstick holder since 80% of the people who apply makeup in Dallas region - apply it during peak bumper to bumper traffic. They were testing the color red. Thats all. Hey it could be worse, it could be purple.

 

[banjos-n-beer]

In those pics, there is a big red button in the middle of the dash. Anybody know what it is. The HCCI cars had it as well.

self destruct button.

 

[dougal]

self destruct button.

In the HCCI test cars, I thought it was a ejector button if the journalist tried something funny...